Ivy Mike
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Thats why storage is going to be so key in solar power in the future.
JMag, read the Autoweek article I posted earlier. It sounds quite promising.
JMag, read the Autoweek article I posted earlier. It sounds quite promising.
gas rant.....
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JMag
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Clean,
Thanks for the link. Interesting read. I wish the man well. Improving fuel consumption by 40% would be great.
Gas engine efficiency of 24% and diesel 30% in 100 years of automobile use is frankly, bordering on criminal...IMO.
Thanks for the link. Interesting read. I wish the man well. Improving fuel consumption by 40% would be great.
Gas engine efficiency of 24% and diesel 30% in 100 years of automobile use is frankly, bordering on criminal...IMO.
Sgt Stevo
Member
oil damn it!
people always told me I was fighting for oil. Well damn it, weres my oil?
I want my own pump, for free and every OEf, OIF, and desert storm vet, should have one in their front yards.
I will share with other gun guys. Just because. well just because.
And I want an attendent. A man, no A woman! Paid for by Dich Cheney. A swiss woman. Yeah thats it. And she should wash my hummer.
If I had one. the hummer, I mean.
people always told me I was fighting for oil. Well damn it, weres my oil?I want my own pump, for free and every OEf, OIF, and desert storm vet, should have one in their front yards.
I will share with other gun guys. Just because. well just because.
And I want an attendent. A man, no A woman! Paid for by Dich Cheney. A swiss woman. Yeah thats it. And she should wash my hummer.
If I had one. the hummer, I mean.
Kodiaz
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Tokugawa ok.
I get a company van I walk to my driveway to go to work. But I can already feel the effects of this gas at work. There is a lot less work I only worked a full day 1 time this past week. The fuel prices are starting to keep people from spending money. And guess what this isn't the plateau. If we leave Iran alone(BIG IF). I think gas will hit 5/ gal. This will be the deathblow to the economy. I drive a small car it gets 32 miles/ gal and I have few bills. But the people with the SUV and the house purchased when prices were high or with an ARM mortgage these people are close to the breaking point. Here in Fl there use to be signs everywhere saying "We buy ugly houses" well now there are now signs "We'll buy your house so you don't foreclose".
The economy is a house of cards and the rising price of fuel is a good kick to the table.
I get a company van I walk to my driveway to go to work. But I can already feel the effects of this gas at work. There is a lot less work I only worked a full day 1 time this past week. The fuel prices are starting to keep people from spending money. And guess what this isn't the plateau. If we leave Iran alone(BIG IF). I think gas will hit 5/ gal. This will be the deathblow to the economy. I drive a small car it gets 32 miles/ gal and I have few bills. But the people with the SUV and the house purchased when prices were high or with an ARM mortgage these people are close to the breaking point. Here in Fl there use to be signs everywhere saying "We buy ugly houses" well now there are now signs "We'll buy your house so you don't foreclose".
The economy is a house of cards and the rising price of fuel is a good kick to the table.
hoppinglark
Member
We vote with our wallets. If you want things to change, we need to change them ourselves.
Use a bike car and you won't need any fossil fuel
Ditto for a push mower
Use biofuels like Hemp Oil, Corn Oil, Waste Vegatable Oil and our demand for fossil fuels will lower tremendously
The vehical formerly known as the Sparrow, now known as the NmG.
electric car for one? makes alot more sense than an SUV only carrying one person, own a small bussines and it's a great way to advertise!
The Moped, The FIRST HYBRID!!! 100 mpg sounds good doesn't it?
Roof shingles that produce Solar Power, sure makes the NmG more appealing.
We need to get all of these ideas to be TAX FREE, that is the only way for change.
If you want to be Self-Reliant, and most Gun Owners do, then transportation is an important issue. I read a few places that this is another reason that it's still illegal to have your own still. Why?
It's not that hard, it's not that dangerous. But if every gas station could produce thier own Ethanol, then the big corporations would be doomed. It sounds crazy, and maybe it is. But then again some people think we are crazy to let private citizens carry arms.
A shotgun or a still, we need to be self-reliant.
Use a bike car and you won't need any fossil fuel
Ditto for a push mower
Use biofuels like Hemp Oil, Corn Oil, Waste Vegatable Oil and our demand for fossil fuels will lower tremendously
The vehical formerly known as the Sparrow, now known as the NmG.
electric car for one? makes alot more sense than an SUV only carrying one person, own a small bussines and it's a great way to advertise!
The Moped, The FIRST HYBRID!!! 100 mpg sounds good doesn't it?
Roof shingles that produce Solar Power, sure makes the NmG more appealing.
We need to get all of these ideas to be TAX FREE, that is the only way for change.
If you want to be Self-Reliant, and most Gun Owners do, then transportation is an important issue. I read a few places that this is another reason that it's still illegal to have your own still. Why?
It's not that hard, it's not that dangerous. But if every gas station could produce thier own Ethanol, then the big corporations would be doomed. It sounds crazy, and maybe it is. But then again some people think we are crazy to let private citizens carry arms.
A shotgun or a still, we need to be self-reliant.
Beren
Moderator Emeritus
I walk to work. I walk to the grocery store. I walk to the bi-monthly gun show. I can walk to the mall when I want. Keep your gas, I only need to drive the car a couple times a month.
Lupinus
Member
Unfortunatly though Beren our country has become one outside of walking distance. We no longer work just down the road or on our own property. Some people drive a half hour to work, now for a drive that isn't much. But it takes a half hour to drive, it would take hours to walk to work for many people. It just isn't practical for most people to walk to work anymore, even riding a bike for some simply wouldn't be practicle.
Our best bet is hydrogyn/ethonal for our cars and for electric hydrogyn and nuclear. Solar and wind will likly never be anything more then extra reguardless of how good batteries get.
Our best bet is hydrogyn/ethonal for our cars and for electric hydrogyn and nuclear. Solar and wind will likly never be anything more then extra reguardless of how good batteries get.
I'm a little surprised to read about the lack of diesel powered vehicles on the market over there. And to add my voice to those who responded to the criticism of diesel vehicles, a friend of mine drives a Vauxhall Vectra 2.2 turbo diesel, the performance is absolutely fine and it has averaged 47mpg over the last 40,000 miles. Another friend was happy enough about noise and performance to trade his 25mpg petrol Audi A4 in for a 2.0l diesel A4 cabriolet.
atomchaser
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Nuclear waste is red herring that the antinuclear crowd foists on uninformed masses. It could be reprocessed and reused in breeder reactors with very little waste left over. Even if we didn't reprocess, it easy enough to store in monitored retrievable configuration in what amounts to a secure parking lot. The government has wasted billions on Yucca Mountain and achieved nothing due to lack of political will and the ability of the green movement to control the dialog with hesterics and a anti-nuclear friendly media.
Lobotomy Boy
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Iain, the problem here is that people are incredibly ignorant about anything to do with vehicles, including driving. In the 1970s General Motors hastily converted some gasoline V-8s to diesel power and the results were disasterous. Since people in the U.S. operate more often from ignorance than from information when it comes to vehicles, old wives' tales about vehicles have the weight of truth. The lousy diesels GM produced created generations of old wives' tales about diesels being lousy. Seriously, you wouldn't believe how stone-stick-stupid most Americans are about motor vehicles. I make my living writing and publishing about transportation and motorsports, primarily regarding motorcycles and muscle cars, so this is a subject that consumes most of my life, both personally and professionally. I'm a little spoiled because most of my colleagues and customers tend to be of the informed variety, but this only makes it more shocking when I hear the ignorance spouted by the general population.
This vehicular ignorance is why you will hear such support for hybrid vehicles in the U.S. You'll hear about them, but you won't see many of them because they only constitute about 1 percent of our national fleet. Americans just like the word "hybrid," but they're not really informed enough to understand what a hybrid actually is. A Ford truck plant is closing down in the city where my office is located. There was a movement to convince Ford to use the plant to develop alt fuel vehicles or build hybrids. These pie-in-the-sky dingbats promoting that could have looked on the same business page where they were promoting this and see that Ford is offering huge discounts and incentives to try to move the hybrids it already builds. That's on top of the fact that it is already selling these vehicles at a loss at full retail price. Since the plant is closing because Ford is losing money (it lost over $1 billion in the first quarter of this year already), building more vehicles that people aren't buying (mostly because they are a feel-good non-solution to a very real problem), vehicles on which they would be losing money even if people bought them, would not do much to help fix the problem that caused Ford to close the plant in the first place. Americans often don't let logic cloud their dogmatic ideology.
The worst effect of American motor-vehicle ignorance is evident on our metropolitan freeways. You would be shocked by the lack of driving skills exhibited by the average American. These people wouldn't survive half a day on European freeways. Upon having shared a road with these morons, you would be convinced that a developmentally disabled howler monkey could get a license to drive in the U.S., and you would be correct.
This vehicular ignorance is why you will hear such support for hybrid vehicles in the U.S. You'll hear about them, but you won't see many of them because they only constitute about 1 percent of our national fleet. Americans just like the word "hybrid," but they're not really informed enough to understand what a hybrid actually is. A Ford truck plant is closing down in the city where my office is located. There was a movement to convince Ford to use the plant to develop alt fuel vehicles or build hybrids. These pie-in-the-sky dingbats promoting that could have looked on the same business page where they were promoting this and see that Ford is offering huge discounts and incentives to try to move the hybrids it already builds. That's on top of the fact that it is already selling these vehicles at a loss at full retail price. Since the plant is closing because Ford is losing money (it lost over $1 billion in the first quarter of this year already), building more vehicles that people aren't buying (mostly because they are a feel-good non-solution to a very real problem), vehicles on which they would be losing money even if people bought them, would not do much to help fix the problem that caused Ford to close the plant in the first place. Americans often don't let logic cloud their dogmatic ideology.
The worst effect of American motor-vehicle ignorance is evident on our metropolitan freeways. You would be shocked by the lack of driving skills exhibited by the average American. These people wouldn't survive half a day on European freeways. Upon having shared a road with these morons, you would be convinced that a developmentally disabled howler monkey could get a license to drive in the U.S., and you would be correct.
Lobotomy Boy
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It may be a non-problem from a technical standpoint, but it is certainly a problem from a political standpoint; no one wants nuclear waste storage in their backyard. The result is that we have situations like the one here in Minnesota where we have "temporary" dry-cask storage that has been going on for nearly a decade and a half in the Mississippi River flood plain. Sure, there is much technology available for dealing with nuclear waste, but until the political problems are overcome it will always be a sticking point for developing nuclear energy. Given that we need nuclear energy now more than ever, I'd say it's time to solve those political problems.
my hot button topic
only get gas when you must have it...if the station raises the price..try and hold off buying it.if enough people would do this,the results would be interesting.dont even shop there.get the other things at a grocery.
400 million dollar retirement bonus for the head of exxon...must be nice.
guess those amish with their buggies must have the right idea.
only get gas when you must have it...if the station raises the price..try and hold off buying it.if enough people would do this,the results would be interesting.dont even shop there.get the other things at a grocery.
400 million dollar retirement bonus for the head of exxon...must be nice.
guess those amish with their buggies must have the right idea.
MCgunner
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I don't play violin or I'd break out in a sad opus...
If you're that intent on beating the Jones', living for the moment, and not looking to the future, well, you're getting what you deserve IMHO. Sorry stark reality is slapping you in the face. I don't have an SUV. Do have a van, but think of it as a mini motor home. I only use it on trips or when I need to haul something. I'm headed to Huffman, Texas to do some flat tracking tonight. Promoter wants me to write up the races for submission to "Flat Track Illustrated" and some other zines and says he'll pay me for it, so I might actually have my gas money before I find out what the pay out on the class, is.
I figure at three bucks a gallon, it's gonna take 70 bucks worth of gas, about, for the round trip. I could haul the bike and gear on my little flat bed trailer behind the Wing, but the wife wants to go. Leaving in an hour or so. That's what the van is for, that, and business when I have to pick up or deliver a mower I'm servicing.I live in a small frame house, two bedroom, comfortable and easy to keep up and the mortgage is paid for. Everything I own is paid for and I'm working for myself now after 28 years in the chemical industry. I have a 72T IRA paying the bills, profits are spending money. I'm living the American dream, or at least my version of it.
My home is just across the street from the bay and there's a fishing pier and boat ramp within a mile either direction (two) of my driveway. I can walk to the bay to wade fish and my hunting is local. I have property to hunt about 30 miles away.I ride motorcycles and one of 'em is a 200cc DP bike that gets 80-100 mpg, no stinkin' moped, though it cruises about 50 mph on the road. It's also a two wheeled jeep. I use it on my place to haul corn to the feeder and such since I sold my 4x4 Truck. My wife's car is paid for and gets 40 mpg.
How possibly did I do this while working a normal job, you ask? Well, I lived below my means all my working life. I did have the racing, but it's not that expensive. I didn't care how I impressed the Jones'. They all called me cheap, but I'm getting the last laugh.
I saved, they didn't. I bought property, they bought SUVs, trucks, big homes with huge ARMs, etc, etc. While they were braggin' about their swimming pools, I bragged about my 401K balance. I figure to live like the rich, you just might need to BE rich. I got out of that plant as soon as I could, hated the place. I'm set up now, secure, and building a business. It don't get a whole lot better if you haven't won the lotto. I always called the lotto the plant retirement plan, BTW. Lots of 'em out there won't have squat unless they win it. Social security, IF it survives, ain't a lot to fall back on.Mmm, guess I'm ranting, but this subject gets me goin'.
Anyway, I've got to go put 70 bucks in the ol' van and go have fun this afternoon. I've got work lined up for next week.I've been riding around town for two weeks on the 200, pulled in to fill it up, it took $2.49 The tank only holds a gallon and a half and it'll take you about 130 miles or so. I got to admit, when I have to ride to the shop in Edna (about 34 miles), I do take either the wing or the SV650, highway speed capable. But, if it gets to 4 or 5 to the gallon, that little 200 is gonna get a workout. LOL!Jack.....livin' in paradise.....
Kodiaz
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Mcgunner I'm happy for you. Since you don't live in a vacuum however, when all these over extended people lose it, there will be an effect on everyone, including you.
MCgunner
Member
True enough, if it happens. They say it's the American way to be deep in debt and impress the neighborhood. Well, at least I ain't deep in debt. Nobody can repo my home. I might lose it to a storm when I can no longer afford the insurance or I might not be able to afford the electric bill, but I won't be sleepin' in a card board box under I10 somewhere.
My Grandpa did pretty well during the great depression. He's always been my hero. He was quite self sufficient and ran his own auto repair during the hard times and took care of my Grandma's sister and kid after her husband was killed. He was a lineman for the electric company in Louisiana.
Times get tough, they'll be tougher on others besides me. You gotta make it for yourself, not rely on government to take care of you. Well, I guess you don't have to do that anymore. Lots of government dependents now days, but I'd rather make my own way, thanks.
My Grandpa did pretty well during the great depression. He's always been my hero. He was quite self sufficient and ran his own auto repair during the hard times and took care of my Grandma's sister and kid after her husband was killed. He was a lineman for the electric company in Louisiana.
Times get tough, they'll be tougher on others besides me. You gotta make it for yourself, not rely on government to take care of you. Well, I guess you don't have to do that anymore. Lots of government dependents now days, but I'd rather make my own way, thanks.
Ivy Mike
Member
atomchaser,
The Yucca Mountain project is just maddening. There have been billboards around the city decrying it as dangerous and using the not in my backyard argument. Politicians here use it to guarantee votes from the public around election time.
What is terrible is that there is actually an educational center in the city where the public can come in and view the workings of the repository and learn about nuclear power and nuclear waste and how storing it in steel tanks in parking lots at the reactor site isn't the best idea.
The only real complaint I have is that Nevada doesn't have any nuclear power and isn't going to be compensated for storing the nation's undesired waste. The reason is that most of the land in NV is federal land. NV isn't going to benefit from this and thats my biggest issue against the repository. The state has withheld water rights on this principle forcing the fed to truck water in. I don't have any issues with the safety of the site and those who do, are probably uneducated and have never done anything to study the site.
The Yucca Mountain project is just maddening. There have been billboards around the city decrying it as dangerous and using the not in my backyard argument. Politicians here use it to guarantee votes from the public around election time.
What is terrible is that there is actually an educational center in the city where the public can come in and view the workings of the repository and learn about nuclear power and nuclear waste and how storing it in steel tanks in parking lots at the reactor site isn't the best idea.
The only real complaint I have is that Nevada doesn't have any nuclear power and isn't going to be compensated for storing the nation's undesired waste. The reason is that most of the land in NV is federal land.
NV isn't going to benefit from this and thats my biggest issue against the repository. The state has withheld water rights on this principle forcing the fed to truck water in. I don't have any issues with the safety of the site and those who do, are probably uneducated and have never done anything to study the site.
Ivy Mike
Member
Iain,
The lack of diesels here is because of a couple reasons. First off were the aforementioned gasoline conversions. These were horribly noisy, smoked like a chimney and weren't very powerful or efficient. GM unleashed these monstrosities on the public and soured peoples taste for diesel. The Mercedes diesels were better, but still very noisy and they stunk.
Fast forward a bit and we've got a few diesel vehicles here, mostly pickup trucks. This does however, get the people to pay attention. These large diesel pickups haul loads with ease and turn in fuel economy that really catches peoples attention. Modern diesels are here although there was only one passenger car maker, VW, who actually put them in cars. We only got one modern diesel engine from VW as well (well, the design changed a bit a couple years ago, but its really the same motor)
Finally, we are starting to get more diesel vehicles although a few states nearly ban them for emissions reasons. I mentioned it before that DaimlerChrysler has sold every Jeep Liberty CRD its produced. Mercedes Benz introduced the E320 CDI here after a 20 something year hiatus. VW is rumored to be bringing over some of its newer TDI motors when our new fuel standards come into place in 2007. The last bit about fuel standards has really been an issue with getting modern diesels here. Our diesel is dirtier than the stuff across the Atlantic. Much higher in sulfur content which makes it tough to run a modern diesel cleanly and efficiently.
Personally, I can't wait. I'd love to see some domestic builders bring diesels over and win back some of the market.
The lack of diesels here is because of a couple reasons. First off were the aforementioned gasoline conversions. These were horribly noisy, smoked like a chimney and weren't very powerful or efficient. GM unleashed these monstrosities on the public and soured peoples taste for diesel. The Mercedes diesels were better, but still very noisy and they stunk.
Fast forward a bit and we've got a few diesel vehicles here, mostly pickup trucks. This does however, get the people to pay attention. These large diesel pickups haul loads with ease and turn in fuel economy that really catches peoples attention. Modern diesels are here although there was only one passenger car maker, VW, who actually put them in cars. We only got one modern diesel engine from VW as well (well, the design changed a bit a couple years ago, but its really the same motor)
Finally, we are starting to get more diesel vehicles although a few states nearly ban them for emissions reasons. I mentioned it before that DaimlerChrysler has sold every Jeep Liberty CRD its produced. Mercedes Benz introduced the E320 CDI here after a 20 something year hiatus. VW is rumored to be bringing over some of its newer TDI motors when our new fuel standards come into place in 2007. The last bit about fuel standards has really been an issue with getting modern diesels here. Our diesel is dirtier than the stuff across the Atlantic. Much higher in sulfur content which makes it tough to run a modern diesel cleanly and efficiently.
Personally, I can't wait. I'd love to see some domestic builders bring diesels over and win back some of the market.
alan
Member
As to E-85 blends that GM commercials, seen them on television, heard them on ther redio??, keep touting, a couple of questions.
1. How many "flex fuel" cars has GM produced. and how about other car makers.
2. I live in Western Pennsylvania, the Pittsburgh area to be specific. Regarding the above mentioned ads, there was a link to information concerning this E-85 gasoline-alcohol blend, and it's "availasbility". It did not inform viewers, directly that is, as to where they could find E-85. It did however tell people where they COULD NOT find the stuff. Western Pennsylvania was one such area, NO AVAILABILITY, yet GM keeps beating that drum for something that is not available. I wonder as to where it might be available. Perhaps somewhere down That Yellow Brick Road in rural Kasas?
1. How many "flex fuel" cars has GM produced. and how about other car makers.
2. I live in Western Pennsylvania, the Pittsburgh area to be specific. Regarding the above mentioned ads, there was a link to information concerning this E-85 gasoline-alcohol blend, and it's "availasbility". It did not inform viewers, directly that is, as to where they could find E-85. It did however tell people where they COULD NOT find the stuff. Western Pennsylvania was one such area, NO AVAILABILITY, yet GM keeps beating that drum for something that is not available. I wonder as to where it might be available. Perhaps somewhere down That Yellow Brick Road in rural Kasas?
Ivy Mike
Member
alan
http://www.agriculture.state.ia.us/e85vehicles.html
is a pretty current list of flex fuel vehicles
http://www.e85fuel.com
Info on E85 and availability
http://www.agriculture.state.ia.us/e85vehicles.html
is a pretty current list of flex fuel vehicles
http://www.e85fuel.com
Info on E85 and availability
Please.
And ,Citgo is Chavez-Venezuela and is on the far side of friendly to the US and out interests infact working as fast to counter-weight with alliances with China and Iran.
Anyways, I am one who doesn't hold government terribly responsible for oil traders oil speculation. Perhaps gov't that makes it harder for business to get at/ purify/ deliver/ might be a place to start to look at.
have a great day
cavman
And ,Citgo is Chavez-Venezuela and is on the far side of friendly to the US and out interests infact working as fast to counter-weight with alliances with China and Iran.
Anyways, I am one who doesn't hold government terribly responsible for oil traders oil speculation. Perhaps gov't that makes it harder for business to get at/ purify/ deliver/ might be a place to start to look at.
have a great day
cavman
Malone LaVeigh
Member
I don't even believe that. This problem has been long in the making. The time to start doing something about it was 30 years ago when the Club of Rome warned us about it.
Besides, the price of gas is not the problem. It's cheap at twice the price.
Now, I don't mind bashing Bush for doing nothing about it and getting us into a stupid war for oil that's just making matters worse, but we could add every president since Carter to that litany.
" I wonder as to where it might be available. Perhaps somewhere down That Yellow Brick Road in rural Kasas?"
All E85 Pumps in Kansas
Frontier Equity Exchange
209 West Highway 36
Bird City, KS 67731
785-734-2488
Frontier Equity
428 Kansas Avenue
Brewster, KS 67732
785-694-2281
Bordertown II Smoke Shop
2708 South Walnut
Coffeyville, KS 67337
620-251-6565
S & S Oil Cardlock #1
711 Anderson Street
Emporia, KS 66801
620-342-2835
Petro Plus
120 S Maple Street
Garnett, KS 66032
785-4486234
Producers Coop
300 E. St. John
Girard, KS 66743
620-724-4117
Cenex
1202 West Highway 24
Goodland, KS 67735
785-899-3681
Moeder Oil Company, Inc.
2302 Rail Road Avenue
Great Bend, KS 67530
620-792-1203
Bird Express
1000 Main Street
Great Bend, KS 67530
620-792-7579
Power Plus
3505 Vine St.
Hays, KS 67601
785-625-3179
Kwikshop #728
5340 N. Maize Rd.
Maize, KS 67101
316-722-6302
Cenex
500 West Lalande
Sublette, KS 67877
620-675-2297
Capital City Oil
4141 NW Lower Silver Lakeroad
Topeka, KS 66618
Cardtrol Station
All E85 Pumps in Pennsylvania
National Energy Technology Laboratory
National Energy Technology Lab - PA
Pittsburgh, PA 15236
Private facility. No public access.
From http://www.e85fuel.com/database/search.php
So, yea. We have it. In a few places.
All E85 Pumps in Kansas
Frontier Equity Exchange
209 West Highway 36
Bird City, KS 67731
785-734-2488
Frontier Equity
428 Kansas Avenue
Brewster, KS 67732
785-694-2281
Bordertown II Smoke Shop
2708 South Walnut
Coffeyville, KS 67337
620-251-6565
S & S Oil Cardlock #1
711 Anderson Street
Emporia, KS 66801
620-342-2835
Petro Plus
120 S Maple Street
Garnett, KS 66032
785-4486234
Producers Coop
300 E. St. John
Girard, KS 66743
620-724-4117
Cenex
1202 West Highway 24
Goodland, KS 67735
785-899-3681
Moeder Oil Company, Inc.
2302 Rail Road Avenue
Great Bend, KS 67530
620-792-1203
Bird Express
1000 Main Street
Great Bend, KS 67530
620-792-7579
Power Plus
3505 Vine St.
Hays, KS 67601
785-625-3179
Kwikshop #728
5340 N. Maize Rd.
Maize, KS 67101
316-722-6302
Cenex
500 West Lalande
Sublette, KS 67877
620-675-2297
Capital City Oil
4141 NW Lower Silver Lakeroad
Topeka, KS 66618
Cardtrol Station
All E85 Pumps in Pennsylvania
National Energy Technology Laboratory
National Energy Technology Lab - PA
Pittsburgh, PA 15236
Private facility. No public access.
From http://www.e85fuel.com/database/search.php
So, yea. We have it. In a few places.
Personally, I view the increases in gasoline prices the start of the end of the US gasoline economy. Sooner or later, dino-oil is going to run out, and alternatives have to be found.
Hydrogen isn't a fuel, it's like a battery, it takes more energy put into it than you can get out of it.
A larger reliance on diesel, bio-diesel is straight forward. I've driven european diesels and you can't really tell them from gasoline engines.
Ethanol can be a good alternative, especially since we can now convert even more of the plant into it for less energy.
Personally, I'm holding out for a pluggable hybrid that's optimized for E85/E100 or even diesel. By making it pluggable, I would use no gas during normal operations, but still be able to travel long distances by filling it up with ethanol.
Nuclear power is indeed part of the future, and much of the earlier waste has cooled to the point where it'd be far easier to recycle it. Fewer measures against radiation needed.
Hydrogen isn't a fuel, it's like a battery, it takes more energy put into it than you can get out of it.
A larger reliance on diesel, bio-diesel is straight forward. I've driven european diesels and you can't really tell them from gasoline engines.
Ethanol can be a good alternative, especially since we can now convert even more of the plant into it for less energy.
Personally, I'm holding out for a pluggable hybrid that's optimized for E85/E100 or even diesel. By making it pluggable, I would use no gas during normal operations, but still be able to travel long distances by filling it up with ethanol.
Nuclear power is indeed part of the future, and much of the earlier waste has cooled to the point where it'd be far easier to recycle it. Fewer measures against radiation needed.
Misconceptions
Some of y'all are operating from some serious misunderstandings & misconceptions.
Price/Availability of Oil Today
Oil today is priced waaaay out of line, mostly because so many invested in the oil futures mkt at such heady prices. The market will crash & all those who boght the inflated futures will take a bath. Today, we have more of an oil production buffer than at any time in the last 9 years. Barring natural distaster or political catastrophe in the ME, the near future will bring even more production on line.
Price/Avalability of Gasoline Today
You can thank Congress, the EPA, ADM, & every schmuck who wants oxygenates (ethanol, MTBE, etc) in gasoline to "burn cleaner" for the $3-4/gal gasoline. If it were just the gasoline, the price would be much less, probably ~$2/gal, despite the overpriced oil at $70+/bbl. The culprit is ethanol, which can not be put through pipelines as gasoline can. All the ethanol must be trucked to the site & mixed on the spot, 'cause that ethanol will suck up every last bit of condensate in a gasoline pipeline. Since we don't have enough trucks & drivers to get all the ethanol we'd like to every station, we are well & truly humped.
Ethanol & E85
Despite the fact that it can't be put through the gasoline pipelines, ethanol & E85 displacing gasoline to a significant extent is a pipe dream.
First, ethanol has 1/3-1/2 the energy content of gasoline. Your car that could go 300 miles between fill ups, now goes 150 miles. 10% eth nets you ~5% worse milage.
Second, corn & other non-sugar sources reap 1.2 units of energy worth of eth for every 1 unit put in. The only way this industry does not collapse is because of HEAVYHEAVYHEAVY gov't subsidies. Cane sugar reaps about 8 units of energy for every unit put in, making it more viable than corn. But the sugar market is even more volatile than the oil market. Brazil, at one point when sugar went through the roof, imported eth from the USA to burn. (Remeber, every gallon bought from the US & burned by a Brazilian was subsidized by the US taxpayer. Truly, a transfer of wealth.)
Third, producing vehicles that run E85 gets them bonus points when it comes to CAFE. Those GM SUVs that run E85, actually get ~35% worse milage when actually running E85 vs straight gasoline (as does any vehicle). So, they can sell more big SUVs while still staying CAFE compliant.
Fourth, we do not have enough arable land to produce enough (from corn/sugar/whatever) eth to drive America's cars.
Biodiesel
A cool way to get rid of waste frying oil, but as with eth, we don't have enough arable land to produce the biodiesel we need.
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You wanna increase your fuel efficiency by 30%? Buy a turbodiesel engine equipped auto. You'll get better milage than a hybrid with more utility and 6X the longevity. Hybrid's batteries give up the ghost at ~80K miles & the cost to replace the batts exceeds the value of a car with 80K miles. Diesels last 1/2 million miles with proper upkeep.
Some of y'all are operating from some serious misunderstandings & misconceptions.
Price/Availability of Oil Today
Oil today is priced waaaay out of line, mostly because so many invested in the oil futures mkt at such heady prices. The market will crash & all those who boght the inflated futures will take a bath. Today, we have more of an oil production buffer than at any time in the last 9 years. Barring natural distaster or political catastrophe in the ME, the near future will bring even more production on line.
Price/Avalability of Gasoline Today
You can thank Congress, the EPA, ADM, & every schmuck who wants oxygenates (ethanol, MTBE, etc) in gasoline to "burn cleaner" for the $3-4/gal gasoline. If it were just the gasoline, the price would be much less, probably ~$2/gal, despite the overpriced oil at $70+/bbl. The culprit is ethanol, which can not be put through pipelines as gasoline can. All the ethanol must be trucked to the site & mixed on the spot, 'cause that ethanol will suck up every last bit of condensate in a gasoline pipeline. Since we don't have enough trucks & drivers to get all the ethanol we'd like to every station, we are well & truly humped.
Ethanol & E85
Despite the fact that it can't be put through the gasoline pipelines, ethanol & E85 displacing gasoline to a significant extent is a pipe dream.
First, ethanol has 1/3-1/2 the energy content of gasoline. Your car that could go 300 miles between fill ups, now goes 150 miles. 10% eth nets you ~5% worse milage.
Second, corn & other non-sugar sources reap 1.2 units of energy worth of eth for every 1 unit put in. The only way this industry does not collapse is because of HEAVYHEAVYHEAVY gov't subsidies. Cane sugar reaps about 8 units of energy for every unit put in, making it more viable than corn. But the sugar market is even more volatile than the oil market. Brazil, at one point when sugar went through the roof, imported eth from the USA to burn. (Remeber, every gallon bought from the US & burned by a Brazilian was subsidized by the US taxpayer. Truly, a transfer of wealth.)
Third, producing vehicles that run E85 gets them bonus points when it comes to CAFE. Those GM SUVs that run E85, actually get ~35% worse milage when actually running E85 vs straight gasoline (as does any vehicle). So, they can sell more big SUVs while still staying CAFE compliant.
Fourth, we do not have enough arable land to produce enough (from corn/sugar/whatever) eth to drive America's cars.
Biodiesel
A cool way to get rid of waste frying oil, but as with eth, we don't have enough arable land to produce the biodiesel we need.
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You wanna increase your fuel efficiency by 30%? Buy a turbodiesel engine equipped auto. You'll get better milage than a hybrid with more utility and 6X the longevity. Hybrid's batteries give up the ghost at ~80K miles & the cost to replace the batts exceeds the value of a car with 80K miles. Diesels last 1/2 million miles with proper upkeep.
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