JMusic
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MisterMike
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As someone who's dabbled in this type of work, may I respectfully suggest that you shouldn't be sharing this type of information?
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JMusic,
Hey, I ain't old, I just started too darn young is all. *grin*
Yep, I recall needing gas for my lawn mower, as my biggest yard got me 50 cents. There was a "gas war" between two fillin' stations, and I paid 15 cents to fill up my one gal gas can
All heck broke loose the day the "coke machines" went up from a nickel at the fillin' stations too.
At least the cigarettes stayed at 25 cents a pack...
*wink*
Hey, I ain't old, I just started too darn young is all. *grin*
Yep, I recall needing gas for my lawn mower, as my biggest yard got me 50 cents. There was a "gas war" between two fillin' stations, and I paid 15 cents to fill up my one gal gas can
All heck broke loose the day the "coke machines" went up from a nickel at the fillin' stations too.
At least the cigarettes stayed at 25 cents a pack...
*wink*
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MisterMike,
I appreciate the concern and suggestion. It is hard, as you know having dabbled in this work, to share some things, that one feels might help others, without putting others in jeopardy.
It would make better sense for a person/ family to use a vehicle with local plates, when say visiting family out of state, when going to a amusement park, or museum, or any attraction.
Ditto, for someone attending a shooting competition, or golf tournament, or any similar "sporting event" ( tennis).
Folks living near state lines, are accustomed to seeing those other state plates, less so, as one gets more "in" the state.
I appreciate the concern and suggestion. It is hard, as you know having dabbled in this work, to share some things, that one feels might help others, without putting others in jeopardy.
It would make better sense for a person/ family to use a vehicle with local plates, when say visiting family out of state, when going to a amusement park, or museum, or any attraction.
Ditto, for someone attending a shooting competition, or golf tournament, or any similar "sporting event" ( tennis).
Folks living near state lines, are accustomed to seeing those other state plates, less so, as one gets more "in" the state.
MisterMike
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SM,
Understand and agree.
Understand and agree.
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MisterMike,
I do appreciate your concern, and I thank you for making me think about my postings and content.
Feel free to "reign" me in, anytime you feel the need to. *smile*
I do appreciate your concern, and I thank you for making me think about my postings and content.
Feel free to "reign" me in, anytime you feel the need to. *smile*
Sheldon J
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any time at the pump I am in condition red... happened to me a couple of years back, on a trip, filling up the vehicle, doing my continues 360 scan when a kid (mid 20's yeah I'm old enough that I consider him a kid) jumps from the bushes about 60' away and runs at me, bag n pipe in hand, changed his mind real fast when he took notice of the HK in my hand at the ready.....
As another poster noted, a gas hose in the hand can be a powerful deterrent to a would be assailant. I had a broad daylight incident with three young wannabe toughs at a gas station a few months ago. I guess they figured the gray haired guy with the young girl in his truck was an easy mark and started running their mouths, using language I'd rather my daughter didn't hear, walking toward me and working their way up to starting something. One of them was carrying a club or stick of some kind. I stopped pumping gas, switched the nozzle to my left hand (where it should have been to start with since I'm right-handed and my ccw was not in a place where I could easily or quickly get it into action with my left hand) and pointed the nozzle at them. They were only about 15 or so feet away and decided maybe I wasn't such an easy mark after all. They turned around, hopped in their car and drove away. I watched until I was sure they weren't just making the block to have another go at us, then finished up what I was doing and left.
BTW, I believe discharging a firearm while standing at a gas pump would probably be one of the stupidest things a person could do, but had it come down to it and I'd been forced to hose those punks down with gas prior to pulling my ccw I'd bet my bottom dollar they'd have been worried more about the fact I might turn them into human torches than anything else, and would still have beat a hasty retreat. I'm glad it didn't come to that.
BTW, I believe discharging a firearm while standing at a gas pump would probably be one of the stupidest things a person could do, but had it come down to it and I'd been forced to hose those punks down with gas prior to pulling my ccw I'd bet my bottom dollar they'd have been worried more about the fact I might turn them into human torches than anything else, and would still have beat a hasty retreat. I'm glad it didn't come to that.
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A rental car is easy to identify and is an indicator to bad guys that you're from out of town, unfamiliar with the area, and possibly more vulnerable.
When I rent a car I peel off ALL the bar code stickers, smoking penalty warning stickers, and colored stickers that have been applied to the windows. I usually do this in the rental car parking garage before I hit the road.
There's usually 2-3 bar code stickers (one on the windshield, one on a rear side window (usually driver's side), and occasionally one on the rear window).
I also request another car if the one they've pre-assigned to me has out of state plates.
When I rent a car I peel off ALL the bar code stickers, smoking penalty warning stickers, and colored stickers that have been applied to the windows. I usually do this in the rental car parking garage before I hit the road.
There's usually 2-3 bar code stickers (one on the windshield, one on a rear side window (usually driver's side), and occasionally one on the rear window).
I also request another car if the one they've pre-assigned to me has out of state plates.
Franco2shoot
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I really enjoy reading threads like this one. They point out all the awareness areas that people like me overlook. I'm not sure this thread has done much to motivate me enough to go the CCW permit route. My biggest concern with getting any permit is the further exposure to the government. Supposedly, the Virginia Insta-check records disappear after a short time, but I'm not sure, and from what I saw with the filing my son needed to do, I'm convinced Fairfax county now has information on him WRT his CCW application. Would not I be better off with an outer waist band holding my .357 as I pump gas on a late nite?
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I used to hate gas stations when I lived in New Orleans, then later Baton Rouge. Depending on where you stop, it was like clockwork. You'd be filling up and some random dude would come up behind asking for money. They can be unbelievably persistent too. To the point where they keep getting closer and closer, and you can't tell if its somebody really prepared to do something bad, or just an average bum just asking for money.
I'd just say "I don't have anything on me, man". Sometimes that was enough, but most times they'd persist. Then I'd say "Let me rephrase that for you. Get the f*** out of my face right now". If they persist past that point or keep moving closer, I stop what I'm doing, turn so that I'm squarely facing them, put a firm grip on my still-concealed pistol, and yell at the top of my lungs "BACK AWAY NOW! BACK AWAY NOW! BACK AWAY NOW!". Some may say thats overkill, but there's no mistaking that I'm serious at that point, and its always been enough to get them to move on in my experience. I won't ask a fourth time.
I'd just say "I don't have anything on me, man". Sometimes that was enough, but most times they'd persist. Then I'd say "Let me rephrase that for you. Get the f*** out of my face right now". If they persist past that point or keep moving closer, I stop what I'm doing, turn so that I'm squarely facing them, put a firm grip on my still-concealed pistol, and yell at the top of my lungs "BACK AWAY NOW! BACK AWAY NOW! BACK AWAY NOW!". Some may say thats overkill, but there's no mistaking that I'm serious at that point, and its always been enough to get them to move on in my experience. I won't ask a fourth time.
wheelgunslinger
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Someone brought up motorcycles here.
I ride one every day and have for years.
I wear the full kit of safety gear including a full face helmet, gloves, boots, pants, armored jacket (leather or textile, depending), etc.
If you ride every day, hearing protection is a good idea. So, I use it to keep hearing damage at bay from wind noise and exhaust.
At gas stations I learned that one who is all armored up makes a pretty easy target since lots of sensory input is damped or negated by gear. If you don't wear any gear, helmet, or hearing protection, your sensory input is damped by wind and exhaust noise anyway. So, when you stop you're at a disadvantage.
People also like to chat about motorcycles quite frequently when I pull up to the pumps.
I got to used to this and would generally welcome anyone who walked up and wanted to chat. I won't go into detail here, but riding a bike can leave one really vulnerable at the pumps if situational awareness isn't ramped up.
Riding a bike presents some different challenges than a 4 wheeled vehicle does. If you ride (geared up or in flip flops and shorts), it's probably best to ponder them and think ahead about how you can avoid trouble or be able to detect it so you can, as SM relates, get out of there when you sense it.
I ride one every day and have for years.
I wear the full kit of safety gear including a full face helmet, gloves, boots, pants, armored jacket (leather or textile, depending), etc.
If you ride every day, hearing protection is a good idea. So, I use it to keep hearing damage at bay from wind noise and exhaust.
At gas stations I learned that one who is all armored up makes a pretty easy target since lots of sensory input is damped or negated by gear. If you don't wear any gear, helmet, or hearing protection, your sensory input is damped by wind and exhaust noise anyway. So, when you stop you're at a disadvantage.
People also like to chat about motorcycles quite frequently when I pull up to the pumps.
I got to used to this and would generally welcome anyone who walked up and wanted to chat. I won't go into detail here, but riding a bike can leave one really vulnerable at the pumps if situational awareness isn't ramped up.
Riding a bike presents some different challenges than a 4 wheeled vehicle does. If you ride (geared up or in flip flops and shorts), it's probably best to ponder them and think ahead about how you can avoid trouble or be able to detect it so you can, as SM relates, get out of there when you sense it.
ChCx2744
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Just douse the clown in premium unleaded and shoot the lights above him; that'll learn 'em
No but in all seriousness, convenience stores and gas stations are, unfortunately, also used by the same criminals that warrant deadly force in the crimes they commit. Stay alert and aware of your surroundings, that's pretty much the best way to avoid chaos.
No but in all seriousness, convenience stores and gas stations are, unfortunately, also used by the same criminals that warrant deadly force in the crimes they commit. Stay alert and aware of your surroundings, that's pretty much the best way to avoid chaos.
Sheldon J
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been riding bike for over 40 years now, my favorite helmet is one with a full front but still flips up for max visibility when needed, such as at gas stations (also makes it easy to put on and remove my aux eyes), n people tend to avoid guys that are 6'4" full black helmet, n dressed in black leathers head to toe, even scares the bums away.......
Erik M
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Something I noted earlier today is that my local Shell has installed new pumps. They have LED screens that flash advertisements when you are pumping your gas. WHen you are done pumping as you have to wait for a 30 second slideshow to scroll across the screen before you get to the option of wanting a recipt. No button will speed this process up. 30 seconds is a long time at an empty truck stop at 2am. The clerks response was "pay inside if you dont want to stand at the pump".
Bikes and Trucks.
Incredibly, I watched this happen this Spring. Big square truck pulls in near where the mulch-bags are piled in stacks 8 feet high, and two burly types get out. Burly-#1 goes into the snak-shop and returns with two drinks and some snax in a carrier-tray. Burly-#1 stands in the shade of the mulch-towers with Burly-#2 and they have lunch, with the truck front-door standing open. They both carried semi-s (didn't notice what kind) and wore the shirt-pants uniform of GARDA armored-car services, which is the truck they were driving. No hats or plate-carriers. I would say that they were both stupid and lucky. I have a bad knee, and an acute conscience, but I EASILY could have disarmed or executed both of them and driven away with their bodies in the truck. That's a LOT of Mooolah! Lucky for them my knee is bad. I couldn't even have carried away a single bag of long green. So much for knowing your environs!
Incredibly, I watched this happen this Spring. Big square truck pulls in near where the mulch-bags are piled in stacks 8 feet high, and two burly types get out. Burly-#1 goes into the snak-shop and returns with two drinks and some snax in a carrier-tray. Burly-#1 stands in the shade of the mulch-towers with Burly-#2 and they have lunch, with the truck front-door standing open. They both carried semi-s (didn't notice what kind) and wore the shirt-pants uniform of GARDA armored-car services, which is the truck they were driving. No hats or plate-carriers. I would say that they were both stupid and lucky. I have a bad knee, and an acute conscience, but I EASILY could have disarmed or executed both of them and driven away with their bodies in the truck. That's a LOT of Mooolah! Lucky for them my knee is bad. I couldn't even have carried away a single bag of long green. So much for knowing your environs!
Erik M
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please carry on the discussion.
please carry on the discussion.
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