longwatch
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vceh44UK-8I
From the Philipines, the kB is described as a case failure.
From the Philipines, the kB is described as a case failure.
Glock 23 kB on film
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GRIFFIN1
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That's why I always wear welding gloves while I shoot my Glock 22. 
RTFM
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KB's are one of the two reasons I won't buy a Grock.
That and the gen 3 guns don't fit my mits.
But all in all, I'm to paranoid about it going SPLAT instead of BOOM.
That and the gen 3 guns don't fit my mits.
But all in all, I'm to paranoid about it going SPLAT instead of BOOM.
beerslurpy
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That looks unpleasant.
Manedwolf
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Did that guy have like five Red Bulls and a pixie stick before shooting? 
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You can't tell what type of ammo he was using either.
MachIVshooter
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No, you can't. But KB's seem to have become all to frequent an occurance with Gaston's concept of "Perfection".
texas chase
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Pardon the ignorance but...
what is a kb?
what is a kb?
MachIVshooter
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I doubt you'll find such statistics anywhere.
Why is this always the reply we get from Glock people?
Lots of Beretta 92's, Sig's, 1911's etc. out there, too.
Just because there are a lot of a certain model of whatever in circulation does not make a certain failure rate acceptable. It just means the QC is questionable.
I've owned Glocks and opted to trade them off for other guns for a variety of reasons.
I don't think anyone keeps track of KBs regardless of make or model. Glocks were made for people what don't want to learn anything about guns, it's why they're so simple. Combine non-fully supported chambers and the type of rifling used and what do you get? More cases of KBs The Glock isn't "Perfection" as the company says. With all of their hi-tech computers and machines Glock still couldn't surpass JMB's 1911
The Glock isn't "Perfection" as the company says. With all of their hi-tech computers and machines Glock still couldn't surpass JMB's 1911I know a thing or three about guns - carried a Colt LWC for years until I picked up a G23. Never went back. If a man likes a 1911, carry it. Don't mean nothin' to me. I've gone way past 16,000 rounds in my G23 with zero problems. I like that.
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brownie0486
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Biker's observations match my own.
Carried a 1911 for near 25 years, known around the haunts as "a gov 45 man" almost exclusively for that long a time.
Been carrying a g17 when not carrying the gov 45 since around 88 [ it's a first gen obviously ]. That glock has 60K+ through it with no problems and is still going strong with nothing more than spring changes.
My SA gov45 was just rebuilt after 32K through her. I've had that one since 82. Once she was rebuilt last year, she was put away and I now use the g17 as a student loaner and it sees lots of hard use in the last year and still no issues.
I bought a 3rd gen g17 for myself, the first gen being the loaner now. Also own the g26 and a g36. None of the glocks have had any problems, though the 3rd gen 17 gets most of the shooting duty for training and the other two gets little range time and carried all the time.
Everything I've read on KB's with glocks was due to poorly made factory ammo [ defective in some way ], reloaded ammo and/or using lead bullets.
Biker, I know a thing or three about guns myself, and like you, carry a glock. What I find interesting is that tens of thousands of cops now carry the glock platforms in one guise or another and I haven't seen any KB's in their guns to speak of if at all. Could that be directly related to their using quality jacketed ammo?
Brownie
Carried a 1911 for near 25 years, known around the haunts as "a gov 45 man" almost exclusively for that long a time.
Been carrying a g17 when not carrying the gov 45 since around 88 [ it's a first gen obviously
]. That glock has 60K+ through it with no problems and is still going strong with nothing more than spring changes. My SA gov45 was just rebuilt after 32K through her. I've had that one since 82. Once she was rebuilt last year, she was put away and I now use the g17 as a student loaner and it sees lots of hard use in the last year and still no issues.
I bought a 3rd gen g17 for myself, the first gen being the loaner now. Also own the g26 and a g36. None of the glocks have had any problems, though the 3rd gen 17 gets most of the shooting duty for training and the other two gets little range time and carried all the time.
Everything I've read on KB's with glocks was due to poorly made factory ammo [ defective in some way ], reloaded ammo and/or using lead bullets.
Biker, I know a thing or three about guns myself, and like you, carry a glock. What I find interesting is that tens of thousands of cops now carry the glock platforms in one guise or another and I haven't seen any KB's in their guns to speak of if at all. Could that be directly related to their using quality jacketed ammo?
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brownie0486
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I don't plan on buying Glock pistols anymore.
Thats too bad, there are only tens of thousands in service with LE around this country, let alone the tens of thousands around the world in other military and LE capacities that have never had a problem of any kind where KB's are concerned.
If I thought not to buy a product based on a few incidents, perhaps I would not buy a car, after all, cars have probelms that cause injury as well. Who knows when I might get one that hurts me.
NO gun has a perfect track record of not self destructing, NONE, NADA, ZIP for one reason or another. Perhaps understanding that guns are dangerous to begin with, what with their explosive nature every time a round is fired from them should be considered here, then we might not ever want to touch one, for fear it could harm us.
Brownie
Thats too bad, there are only tens of thousands in service with LE around this country, let alone the tens of thousands around the world in other military and LE capacities that have never had a problem of any kind where KB's are concerned.
If I thought not to buy a product based on a few incidents, perhaps I would not buy a car, after all, cars have probelms that cause injury as well. Who knows when I might get one that hurts me.
NO gun has a perfect track record of not self destructing, NONE, NADA, ZIP for one reason or another. Perhaps understanding that guns are dangerous to begin with, what with their explosive nature every time a round is fired from them should be considered here, then we might not ever want to touch one, for fear it could harm us.
Brownie
KBs are practically exclusive to the .40 S&W models. That's what happens when you have a cartridge pushing around 40k psi with lack of head support and a thin case (compared to the parent cartridge).
It's rare and not enough info is known to make any determination in this case. Those could have easily been reloads (bad idea if using once-fired Glock cases) or even overpressure loads. Buy a Glock if you want one, you'll probably never experience a KB.
It's rare and not enough info is known to make any determination in this case. Those could have easily been reloads (bad idea if using once-fired Glock cases) or even overpressure loads. Buy a Glock if you want one, you'll probably never experience a KB.
psychophipps
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To be honest, Glock isn't too worried about us boardies saying that we'll never buy one because we just saw a video of some dork probably doing something stupid with theirs (or in this case, their friend's). Why not? Because there are hundereds of thousands of the things all over the world working just fine for hundreds of thousands of people right now. And it's a fair bet that of these hundreds of thousands of people, several thousand are more than happy to put their lives on the line by trusting their Glock right now. Furthermore, these pistols are very well known for reliability, accuracy and reasonable cost despite the various insanities we've seen their owners put them through via various internet sites and police/military tests.
Now, I've known a lot of people who shoot .40 S&W. One thing you can't call the ammo is "cheap". They pay at least 50% more than I do for my 9mm ammo. So what many .40 S&W shooters do is shop around for the cheapest ammo they can find. And that "cheap" ammo is usually reloads. BY people they don't know. And Glock says not to fire reloads because the cases used in .40 S&W tend to get their hind-parts reamed out during firing under the best of conditions let alone on the third turnover of getting reloaded. And they use reloads anyway.
So with hundreds of thousands of flawless executions on any given day, many under extreme duress of the SHTF variety, I'm perfectly willing to trust my 20+ year old first gen Glock 17 to work when it has to because I: 1) take care of it as instructed by the owner's manual and 2) listen when the selfsame manual tells me not to be an idiot and shoot lead bullets and reloads in it because I want to risk my $500 firearm to save 5 bucks right now because that isn't defined as "taking care of it".
But hey, what do I know?
Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )
Now, I've known a lot of people who shoot .40 S&W. One thing you can't call the ammo is "cheap". They pay at least 50% more than I do for my 9mm ammo. So what many .40 S&W shooters do is shop around for the cheapest ammo they can find. And that "cheap" ammo is usually reloads. BY people they don't know. And Glock says not to fire reloads because the cases used in .40 S&W tend to get their hind-parts reamed out during firing under the best of conditions let alone on the third turnover of getting reloaded. And they use reloads anyway.
So with hundreds of thousands of flawless executions on any given day, many under extreme duress of the SHTF variety, I'm perfectly willing to trust my 20+ year old first gen Glock 17 to work when it has to because I: 1) take care of it as instructed by the owner's manual and 2) listen when the selfsame manual tells me not to be an idiot and shoot lead bullets and reloads in it because I want to risk my $500 firearm to save 5 bucks right now because that isn't defined as "taking care of it".
But hey, what do I know?
Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )
Gord
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We've all seen the picture of the Springfield with the tip of its slide cracked off.
Guess that means we better not buy 1911s either - they're unsafe.
Guess that means we better not buy 1911s either - they're unsafe.
psychophipps
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Tactical Ninja We've all seen the picture of the Springfield with the tip of its slide cracked off.
Guess that means we better not buy 1911s either - they're unsafe.
Doh!
Guess I'll have to not ever buy a H&K, either. I saw a picture of a Kb from one of those once. Or an AR-15. Or a M14. Or an AK/SKS. Or a...
And I was looking forward to a Sig Revolution some day... :banghead:
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SDM
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If we're going down this road:
In a situation where one needs their firearm, which is more likely a Glock kb or a 1911 jam?
In a situation where one needs their firearm, which is more likely a Glock kb or a 1911 jam?
brownie0486
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I've seen far too many 1911's jam up thats related to a plethora of problems. I've never seen a KB in any gun, let alone a glock.
Going with the odds after 30+ years of using and seeing others use a lot of different platforms, I'm "all in" on the bet that any 1911 will have a problem of some kind before I see a KB in any gun, let alone a glock.
Brownie
Going with the odds after 30+ years of using and seeing others use a lot of different platforms, I'm "all in" on the bet that any 1911 will have a problem of some kind before I see a KB in any gun, let alone a glock.
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