Glock-one in chamber or not?

DO YOU KEEP A LIVE ROUND IN YOUR GLOCK FOR REGULAR CARRY?

  • ALWAYS KEEP A LIVE ROUND LOADED

    Votes: 304 83.3%
  • NEVER KEEP A LIVE ROUND LOADED

    Votes: 39 10.7%
  • Only Keep A Live Round when at home

    Votes: 3 0.8%
  • Only Keep A live round when away from home

    Votes: 19 5.2%

  • Total voters
    365
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The OP is getting defensive in his stance. Don't ask for opinions if you can't take it. The majority of all the responses have meant well in trying to make you think. For the ones "Who practice loading a round while drawing" do you have someone shooting live rounds back at you when you train? What if your weak hand becomes disabled, how fast can you rack a round, or can you? If you carry a Glock in a proper holster ( I prefer the Bianchi Carry Loc) and you practice proper gun handling it is impossible that the gun will fire. No such thing as a AD, just ND's!!!! The comment " if you don't feel comfortable carrying a live Glock, then choose another weapon or receive proper training" is a very truthful statement, although hard to swallow. I better choice might be the saftey by Comelli, spelling ?, at least with this it can be disengaged with your primary hand. I believe if you will stop the defensive attitude and realize some of us have been around the block a time or two and have received far more training than you, we really are trying to help you, not hurt you.
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thoughts on it

I don't own a Glock, but I have shot them. I have a couple other semi-autos, including a striker-fired. I used to keep them loaded. Never had an accident. Always wondered if I would, but I think that made me more careful with them.
I would not hesitate to keep a round in a Glock - but I would always be careful.

The Doc is out now. :cool:
 
The Glock thing has always had me at odds a little. I carry one at work, 15 years, always loaded, has to be. Have carried a Smith 640 5 shot as my personal carry gun for 14 years. Recently got the G27 and started out carrying it without one in the chamber. Not sure why, but felt that I needed to. Have since started to keep it loaded all the time.
 
no matter what handgun i am carrying there is always a rd in the chamber. i thougth that was the only way too carry.
 
I feel much "safer" against any accidental discharges as a result...
I realize that Larry's original point dealt with safety...No doubt it is for any ND..However, his underlying theme as I see it has to do with carry. We argue about the various conditions of carry when the best defense you have is yourself. Surviving in a gun-fight scenario IMHO is maybe 50% hardware and 50% hard mental attitude. Let me explain. We argue the merits of speed as flicking a safety or racking a slide when we ought to be more concerned with such things as our holster & ammo e.g. How many pistoleros fail to fire any of their exotic PD ammo? Is an open-holster far more advantegeous than one with straps, retention screws?
On the mental side, if you don't have the will to kill if need be, to protect your life, you have no right to carry a gun, IMHO. I know of some who strictly carry for bluff/deterrent sake and wouldn't fire if their life was on the line...
If you examine anecdotal transcripts of LEO's involved in shootings, some hesitated and some purposely avoided the K-Zone...One can surmise the reasons...
My point. We dwell much too long on carry Condition when there are a vast number of other variables that enter into play....:)
 
you guys who keep loading and loading your guns (answers 3 and 4) need to be careful. You are touching your gun a lot more than usual.
 
There's another practical reason for carrying w/ one in the chamber: suppose one of your hands / arms is being used to fend of a BG and / or injured in the course of doing so, thereby rendering it useless?

If you're holding off someone who's armed with, say, a Karambit and they're cutting your arm and doing their best to get to your core, you're not going to be able to chamber a round, but you might just be able to draw and fire if you have a round chambered.

I understand where the OP is coming from and to each his own.

Just my $.02

Take care,
DFW1911
 
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larry24

i disagree, its not as if Im barney fife and have to fumble it out of my shirt pocket. I can draw my glock and chamber a live round in less than 2 seconds if needed...

Here's the difference, I can draw my gun and empty, or nearly empty a mag in 2 seconds into a target depending on the gun I am shooting.
 
Larry24

i disagree, its not as if Im barney fife and have to fumble it out of my shirt pocket. I can draw my glock and chamber a live round in less than 2 seconds if needed...........Like I said earlier, IF i am entering a hostile situation I take prior actions.............

I cant' think of very many scenarios of where I wouldn't have a chance to load a round if needed.........Onviously for law enforcement, military, etc.....You ALWAYS need a round in the chamber.

From the Ayoob files
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_167_28/ai_110457294


In the Southwest, a well-intentioned good guy who was apparently a little ambivalent about his choice, decided to carry a gun. He purchased a Glock 23 and kept it in a fanny pack, loaded with a magazine of .40 S&W training ammunition but with nothing in the chamber.

The day came when he was faced with armed robbers. He grabbed the Glock out of the fanny pack and tried to chamber a round. but fumbled with the slide and jammed his pistol. The robbers shot him down. He survived--and sued Glock, Incorporated.

A man not confident enough in his ability to carry a chamber-loaded semiautomatic pistol is better served with a revolver. Operating the slide before firing is a complex psycho-motor skill of the kind that does not survive stress well, and it's normally a two-handed operation. The history of gunfighting shows us at least half the time, we will fire our handgun one-handed when attacked by surprise. The gun must be in a condition that allows one-handed operation.
 
Since this is one of the Eternally Revolving Gunboard Questions, my vote would be for those who are afraid to carry a round in the chamber to leave it empty, and everybody else carried fully loaded & ready to go.

If you're afraid of a loaded gun, you're just looking for re-inforcement for your empty-chamber position, and you'll disregard the majority opinion anyway.
Otherwise, this mummified subject only serves to stir up heated air as both sides continue to try to convince the other. :)
The best answer to the Loaded/Unloaded Chamber question is this:

Do what you want with your gun (you will, anyway), it's your life & your problem.:) If you're afraid to carry a fully loaded gun, don't.
Denis
 
Fear is not the thing with civilian carry it is total responsibilty for others and your own self as a rule. Most who carry are not going to get into a shoot out as a general rule for they will not subject themselves to that stress. They are simply not trained to do that and for those who think different than that are really just kidding themselves.

Selfless ego is what it is all about and most are not like that. If they were they would not be thinking about I can unload into an assaliant and empty my firearm. If you realized how foolish you sound, to others who have been there and done it, and now are retired, but still carry. You would just shut up :uhoh:

So many things to think about and yourself is not one of them. How about the others that are in the zone of fire and your unloading of your weapon and background. Silly to say the least. Down and out stupid is more like it.:banghead: Are you going to yell to your children to get down and your mother or wife to hit the ground while you are blazing away :eek:

Ignorence is all I see being mentioned of late.

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When you NEED a gun for defense, you probably don't have time to rack the slide so it's important to carry loaded so all you have to do is draw, aim and shoot. To illustrate this, there is a scene in Collateral where Tom Cruise confronts two other bad guys in the alley. In one motion he draws and shoots both. This is sorta how I envision the most likely self defense shooting: you are confronted by one or more aggressors at close distance who are threatening your life and you have a fraction of a second to draw and shoot.

One other thought, imagine if you are unable to use both arms, you would be unable to safely chamber the round quickly. You could be tackled or grabbed by a person or multiple attackers, you could be attacked by a vicious dog that grabs your arm, or you could be shot, stabbed, or injured in one arm (for instance an attacker hits you with a bat unexpectedly or pushes you down a flight of stairs to gain surprise and it breaks your arm/wrist).

I was nervous about keeping a round in the chamber in my Glock for a long time, but got over it. To carry chambered, you MUST have a quality tight fitting holster (leather or kydex) made for the Glock so the trigger has NO chance of being tugged at by clothing or something else.

If this still makes you nervous, I would recommend getting a gun similar to a Glock but with additional safety of a grip safety, such as the XD. I do like that feature on the XD.

Having the gun loaded sometimes and not loaded other times is a VERY dangerous habit. When you DO need it, are you SURE it's loaded???? As we say in the Army, train how you would fight and don't just go through the motions. If you're too concerned with carrying a loaded Glock, select a different gun that makes you feel safe carrying loaded.

Further, from a LEGAL standpoint, you are only allowed to shoot someone in self defense if your life is in immediate danger. I could easily craft an argument to make you look like the situation wasn't imminent if you are "racking your slide going looking for trouble" vs. just drawing and shooting. "Sir, if you thought you'd need your gun and intentionally racked a bullet for this particular area, isn't it true you went looking for trouble" line of questioning.
 
i disagree, its not as if Im barney fife and have to fumble it out of my shirt pocket. I can draw my glock and chamber a live round in less than 2 seconds if needed...........

With summer clothes I can draw and make 2 shots in less than 2 seconds and I don't think this is fast enough...
 
Harley,
Not sure if your post was directed at me or not (in fact, I'm not even sure what you were trying to say), but if it was, my statement remains unchanged:

If you are afraid to carry a chambered round in your defensive pistol, don't. Pure & simple. :)
Asking for justification on gun forums will not solve your problem.

Denis
 
I have no problem with what I do and have done for a very long time. Your thoughts are yours and mine are mine, gun forums have to many that think they are justified in what they run off at the mouth about, and do.

The cowboys who survived carried one round empty for a very good reason, self defense. You are confusing self with others. If I was carring a gun for duty it would be a different pistol than a Glock I think. More are realizing it and are changing away from them, it seems. Glocks like many other guns are more dangerous to the user than they should be. Similar to the amount of accidentals that happened with the revolver and many depts went to taking care of that and made them double action only.

I feel the way I do in the face of over 80% who feel the other way LOL..
As I mentioned fear has nothing to do with it. Responisible actions for an unsafe weapon that I like. So I choose to do it this way. If it was only and always in a holster it would be a different situation, maybe...

I'll also add this, when in the Military (Corps) "brig chasing" we never had a round in the chamber. Sometimes the mag was not even in the gun. It may still be that way but I don't know. If anyone else knows that would be enlighting for us. I would like to know about it anyway. Leadcounsel, that is one dumb statement LOL...

:neener:
 
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Harley,
You're rambling a bit, but it stills boils down to the same thing.
If you don't want to carry a chambered round, don't do it. :)
It's pointless for the minority to continually ask this question on a regular basis on the gunboards. I'd guestimate 95% of those who do are just looking for reinforcement with a decision they've already made, and the rest are asking because they genuinely don't know & want to know.

It's entirely your life, I don't care what you do with it as long as you don't cause a problem for others, I'm not going to waste my time or anybody else's in trying to convince the original poster or you to carry your pistol in any particular fashion, and my original statement still stands. :)
If a loaded chamber scares you, don't load the chamber.
Pretty simple. No need for 20 pages of arguments in both directions. :)
Denis
 
I carry a G 26 with 1 in the chamber. I use a holster that covers the trigger guard completely. I would not dream of carrying a firearm that's not completely ready to go. That being said I never put my finger in the trigger guard until I'm ready to shoot. I have that in mind every time I pick it up.
:)
 
The ol'ambush theory once again....
You have it backwards....You need to view the FBI Uniform Crime Report the past 30 yrs for data concerning LEO's and shooting incidents....If you're ambushed, it doesn't make any difference if you're in Condition 1 or 3....
BTW, if you happened to be in a position where a close encounter led to your weapon being relieved; where are you better off? M. Ayoob's account of LEO's being shot with their own weapons that are in readiness condition makes you think about it.....
All these "paperweight" retorts really are getting old...This is about as fallacious as saying "Condition 1 is an Accident waiting to Happen!"

And then the opinion of a real expert.

KILLING SACRED COWS

Some COMBAT TRUTHS ignored in most gun schools.

The fight will be what the fight will be. Period.

If you are one of those guys' whose proactive fight will be solved by a 5 shot snubby revolver with no reload available, great for you. If you do not get one of those fights, and all you have is a snubby 5 shot, you will wish you were carrying something else. Simple.

Force on force is as close as you can get to a real gunfight. Is it a real gunfight? No. You want to know what that is all about, go to a Crip/Blood neighborhood in L.A. wearing a KKK outfit, or to some of the places we hang out at in South America. You will find out. If you don't want to do that, FOF is your only test.

What we have learned from FOF (and Gunfights because some of our guys have actually shot for blood).

Fights are either ambushes or reaction to ambush. If you can guarantee 100% 24/7/365 that all your fights will be ambushes because you eat live and breathe in condition orange all the time, then go practice your marksmanship and don't worry about anything else. But I would ask if you are so tuned and alert, you can probably avoid all those fights anyway which would make the carry of ANY weapon unnecessary.

If you agree that at least 50% of the time (perhaps more) you will be reacting to the ambush, then what we teach here should make sense to you. Too much range training in search of marksmanship is like too much kata in search of visual appeal. Both drive you away from combat truth.

When you are reacting to ambush, standing still and trying to out-draw and out-marksman the other guy will simply get you shot. I defy anyone to show me otherwise at a FOF session.

When you realize you have to move dynamically off the x or get shot, we move away from range-based marksmanship to what is adequate marksmanship. Marksmanship on a paper, cardboard, or steel is all well and good and easy to pull off on a sterile range where you are in no danger. Its another thing altogether when you are being shot at.

Hit ratio? I will say that most shots hit. Once the guys get used to "letting go" of old range habits, the ratio improves. Think you can guarantee 100% hits by standing still? Great. Do it with out getting shot by the other guy when he has started the fight. Show me against a man who is trying to hit you, don't just tell me what you can do on a target.

Do you miss? Yes you do. It is inevitable. Don't want to miss? Too bad. Again, show me you can do this in a reactive fight (you don't get to start early).

Do your hits go to peripheral areas like hands, arms and legs? Yes they do. If this is the trade off for you NOT getting shot it sounds like a fine deal to me. Again...if you have a better way, show me in a live FOF drill with an uncoop opponent trying to shoot you.

If your hits go to peripheral areas, you will need to keep shooting until the bad guy has had enough, physically succumbs to the damage, or you hit a vital area. If you can do this with 5 shots, again...great for you. Now do it with a 200 pound MMA fighter running right at you from 5 yards fully intent on knocking your block off with a tire iron. What's that? It affects your flash sight picture a little bit when you have to haul ass away from him? Yes...we know that.

The other thing is that Americans are some of the toughest and biggest people on earth. I have seen guys get hit in the chest wioth just about every type of SD caliber out there and still keep fighting. I know of a case where it was a shotgun slug no less! If you give him your best five and he is not impressed what will you do? Reload while running away? Do you train that?

Some of you say "Is spraying fifteen plus rounds around as good as shooting five rounds and accomplishing the same results.?" Again, taking into consideration the difficulty in stopping an angry shooting American, and hitting him while you yourself are getting shot at, I would ask that you show me how you do this.

Are we assuming that one hit = one stop? If that is the case, best of luck to you.

"Where are the other ten plus rounds? In the bad guys also or through a window, wall and into an innocent victim?"

Choose right now.

1). Guarantee all your rounds will always hit what you aim at, but you also get hit with the bad guy's rounds. You will be shot, and maybe injured or dead, but you will be liability free.

Or

2). Do your best, but accept that some of your shots may not only over-penetrate, but not even hit the bad guy...but you will not be hit by his bullets. But you may incur some legal problems due to your gunfire (MAY not SHALL).

Pick now. But talk is cheap. Show me you can back up your choice 100%, 24/7/365 in a force on force drill.

Listen guys...I think my staff and I are pretty good shots. We get to shoot all the time. We have run probably close to 1000 FOF students to date, and none of them have been able to replicate the marksmanship they were so proud of at the range under these circumstances. I know full well that none of us is a superman and all of us are liable to the dynamics of the fight.

That is why I carry a Glock 22 with a couple of extra magazines and train in stress-proof gun handling drills, and shooting while exploding off the X. I like snubbies, but selecting a 5 or 6 shot revolver in today's world is like choosing a lever action rifle when you have FALs and AKs in volume. You can make them work if everything is working for you. But if things are not working for you, you will be screwed. So do you feel lucky?

Bold for emphasis.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=4050171&postcount=63
 
Denis,
I believe we are on the same page in a funny sort of way. So, yes I agree those that need to get support are asking for it. Those who don't need it don't care what others think. Which is where you and I are at. :)

I for some reason have always liked the Glock even though I have felt it lacks good safety features. It is no more dangerous than a revolver IMHO. Keeping ones finger off the trigger is very important for sure. When hunting I keep it in the same condition I have mentioned. I feel it is safer that way for others.

I have been on hunting trips that are horrible regarding safety and it is very bad and most of them are NRA members and know better. Usually the Glock is a third gun or a 2nd if I have a heavy revolver for the primary. Yes, I carry numerous weapons on me and always did when I was an active LEO. I go to a gun range a lot several accidentals at the location... I saw a hit on a table and asked about it, no one knew.

But many said, I'll bet it was a Glock :D Funny the amount out there that don't like it as a weapon yet it is very popular. Some mention monetary reasons I just like the way it shoots over and over and over and over.

I play at Martial arts a lot one of the things I have learned is move and cover or strike. So it is similar with a firearm most who are seeking cover are not going to be a problem many figure. In the service they teach you to seek cover and while doing that there is plenty of time to get to the shooter if you need it. Nice talking to you...Good luck...I am very secure in what I believe and you are in your beliefs that is good.

So leadcounsel how is your Bertta 10 mm project coming along;)
:)
 
IF you need it, you need it with a round loaded and ready to go. IF you do not feel safe with a round loaded, then get another gun to carry.

Absolutely.
 
Imo, every weapon should be ready to fire, when the trigger is pulled, call me old fashioned, if you have a dbl action gun chamber a round and leave the safty off, use the decocker, again my opinion, carried a Walther like that for 15years, the first da trigger pull is substancial on most dbl action weapons, like 20 lbs, if you really are afraid then use the safty but learn how to take it off safe on the way out, Glocks should be carried ready to fire chambered at all times or why bother, get a revolver. If you have a name brand holster, it blocks the trigger when you pull it out, and your finger should be along the frame well below the slide, like you are pointing, gl
 
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