Glock people - Help me understand

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There is really very little metal to the pistol. Of course, the slide and company is steel (I assume, I didn't look that closely), but the internals struck me as very light for the job they're doing. All these little stamped (I think) parts and tiny springs... well, I wonder just how effective they are. Do they really last, and do the (in my opinion) tiny frame rails continue to fit properly with wear?

Yes, the slide is steel. It wouldn't be much of a gun if it weren't. And those internal parts are a lot tougher than they look. I have no idea what the alloy is or how it's heat treated, but they're pretty much indestructible. A lot of people modify their competition Glocks by drilling a hole in the trigger bar, for a different pull. It's very common to read on Glocktalk about people wearing out a half-dozen carbide or titanium drill bits before finally making the hole, hours and hours later. And that trigger bar is barely over 1/16" thick! It really is obscenely tough metal.

Also, what's the deal on the guide rod? I can hear the recoil spring scraping against it when I work the slide. Gah! It's such an awful sound. And why a flat coil spring? Is it superior in some way to a round coil spring?

Cost and simplicity. It's designed so that you never have to deal with a loose spring when field stripping the gun, or worry about a guide rod breaking a window. And when the spring wears out, you throw out the entire thing, guide rod and all. Apparently the flat spring is quite good, because Glock is the only brand I know of where people recommend the factory springs over Wolff springs. Glocks may not be the prettiest guns, but the company definitely got more things right out of the box than any other gun company in business today.

Also, I thought it was unbelieveably light. My 1911 has some flip to it, but wouldn't a pistol this light be difficult to control? I've seen Glock shooters do very well with their pistols, but it seems like something that light would be difficult to shoot well.

The heavy slide helps with the recoil. Instead of a relatively light, fast-moving slide, you have this gigantic piece of metal getting pushed back at a (relatively) leisurely velocity. Also, the bore axis is fairly low. And despite the almost universal hatred of the Glock grip angle, I find that it allows a stronger wrist lock, which also helps with recoil control.

I didn't really notice anything you could do to a Glock to improve or personalize it.

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. There's nothing you can really do to "improve" a Glock, except for the feel. Most "improvements" center around the trigger pull. Wolff increased power striker spring, NY-1 trigger spring housing without the spring, and a 3.5# connector = a smooth, 8 pound trigger with minimal stacking. Everyone that's handled my G23 has loved the trigger pull. "Wow, it's just like a revolver!" You can also have the grip trimmed a bit if it's not comfortable. There's plastic to spare.

Now, there were some things I really liked. It took only a few drops of oil to lube it according to the instructions. One bottle of CLP will last a lifetime, even if it feels like it's insufficiently lubed. I also found it remarkably easy to conceal. It's ugly as homemade soap, but the shape of it does disappear nicely in my buddy's concealment holster. It was really quite comfortable, too. Disassembly was VERY easy, and there wasn't any danger of putting a recoil spring cap through a window. The magazine spring felt consistent all the way through loading. The magazines themselves had a good solid feel to them. Most 1911 magazines feel a little rickety even if they're decent quality.

They work fine without any lube, too. I kind of found that out accidentally. About 150 rounds bone-dry, before I realized that the gun wasn't greased at the factory, and the previous owner had run a bunch of rounds through it without oil.

The magazines are another high point of Glocks. Like the recoil springs, Glock mags are one of the few brands where people say to forget Wolff replacements.

You also forgot the Tennifer finish. It may be ugly and plasticky looking, but the Tennifer finish is just about the strongest, most rust-resistant finish out there.
 
I don't own any, so I wouldn't know too much, but I've shot several different models. First up, I've never had one that didn't hurt my hand after firing it. The pistol feels very strange to me, almost square and rigid.

It shoots well and is accurate, but I have to agree with the previous user that was questioning their reliability. Two LEO friends of mine carry Glock 40s and have had minor problems with both, yet the other LEO carries a Sig and has never had a single problem, further he has various 1911s and CZs and has never had a problem with them. I know it doesn't mean much, as anyone can get a lemon. I just don't see problems with many pistols that aren't Glocks.

Further, I have yet to have a problem with any of my pistols.I've never known anyone that actually had a problem with their CZ, Sig, or HK, yet I've known two people that have had issues with their Glocks. My question is more along the lines of: would you consider Glock a reliable brand in comparison to other manufacturers?
 
Tequila_Sauer said:
would you consider Glock a reliable brand in comparison to other manufacturers?

yes. my g19 has had no failures of any kinda eating any ammo I through at it.

I'd consider it one of the big 3 when it comes to out of the box reliablity. SIG, HK, and GLOCK.
 
The 1911 was my first large auto purchase in .45. It's simple, reliable and good. It hurts like hell for me to shoot it without thicker grips to reduce the narrow grip. I can't take recoil concentrated on the nerve that causes carpel tunnel. A good set of thick grips helps.

The Glocks polymer over metal frame absorbs recoil fantastically.

I've not bought a Glock because of the cost and some other issues.

I've mostly stuck with the inexpensive 1911A1 knockoffs that I turn into guns I like.

If I could get the best of Glock and 1911A1 I would buy it. A polymer frame high capacity .45 that fits and points like a 1911A1 would be to my liking.

Azrael256 said:
As a preface, I'm a 1911 guy. I like it, I shoot well with it, so it's my choice. Personal preference, you might say.

..snip...

So, help me out here. What's the big deal about these guns?
 
I don't wonder why people own Glocks or why people shoot Glocks.

I just wonder why they like it.
 
I've owned a few from 23, 21, 36, 17 and settling for the 19. Don't know what it is really, but I just had to have one in the mix and the mid sized frame of the 19 just seems to be the best one in the line ;) Goes bang every time and puts bullets exactly where I point
 
ArmedBear said:
I don't wonder why people own Glocks or why people shoot Glocks.

I just wonder why they like it.

You're right. Those Glocks are so reliable, it seems like it should get boring after a while. But it doesn't. Something about pulling the trigger 16 times and having 16 holes in the target without reloading and without dealing with or even really even worrying about malfunctions is very enjoyable. Then you consider that fact that, in my case, you're shooting full power 10mm Auto loads and doing it more comfortably than the competition's .45 Auto and you realize you must look really silly grinning so big. But that is what the Glock 20 will do for you.
 
I am also a 1911 guy (as well as a fine Single Malt Scotch drinker) and have had a long time dislike for Glock. I love my 1911, my HK USP (.45ACP), my S&W 500, and my Sig 239 (.40 &W). Of these weapons each has it own special appeal. The 1911 sets the bar for accuracy shooting. The USP is my idea of the perfect tactical cqb sidearm. The S&W 500 is great way to piss-off the guy next to you at the range :evil: And my Sig has been my daily IWB Concealed Carry pistol (and love it) but I decided to get something else to replace it since the Sig I own is a rare bar coded ICE/DHS T&E pistol. I have heard great things about the 10mm but the platforms that support it are rare. The best (and damn near only) concealable 10mm I could find was a Glock 29 which I bought and now have to learn to like. One of the selling points I considered was Glock's interchangable magazines. I can also appreciate the extreme durability of Glock but for accuracy shooting I still think the 1911 wins hands down.
 
I am a petty bastard, and because of this, I am seriously debating purchasing a Glock. Anyone who knows me will be aghast that I am saying that (especially since I have said on here 100 times that I don't like them!), but here is the thing. I am sick of having the 1911 rammed down my throat everytime I open a gun magazine (ANY gun magazine), I am sick of hearing that they are the best pistols ever made in the whole world, and I am sick of reading articles about $2600.00 pistols that really don't represent any particular innovation or value over a whole myriad of other, less expensive firearms. (Think I am overreacting? Read the review of the Nighthawk Predator in this months issue of GUNS. MSRP 2600 smackers.). So, as a result, I shall take my money and spend it in a situation that gives me more value for my dollar, and that may very well be on a Glock. A sub-1000.00 gun that functions (which, to be fair, encompasses a good many other guns, to include some 1911's, its just that the Glock is the natural enemy of the 1911, and thus is more satisfying to me and my inherent pettiness.)
 
yep, I bought a 23 at least ten years ago

and in that time I have bought and sold a lot of other handguns, both pistol and revolver. That damned Glock has never been my favorite, have not shot it "all that much" at least in comparison to some others, seldom carry it...but while so many have come and gone, it's still here.

It is my nightstand gun, a status it took many years to earn. While I have had problems with many other platforms, some resulting is sale or return to manufacturer,that G-23 has never given me a moment's trouble. It will digest anything I can fit in the mag and it hits what I aim at.

It's not sexy, I don't love or lust after it, but it's not going anywhere...and don't tell anybody, but I'm starting to think about adding a G-26 or 27.
 
I love my 1911's.

I carry a Glock now, everyday. Why?

1. I trust it more.
2. Lighter weight.
3. No corrosion problems.
4. Don't worry about getting it banged up.
5. Greater capacity.
6. Simpler manual of arms in case the flag goes up.

I still love my 1911's.
 
When my Glock21 is fully loaded with 13+1, it weighs the same as my Charles Daly with 8+1. Recoil is not bad in it at all, up until the grip weighs next to nothing with only 2-3 rounds in it.

Glocks CAN be personalized. I have converted mine to .400corbon, added a two-stage recoil spring to it, lightened the trigger to about 3.5 pounds, put heine sights on it. I'm considering a complete Caspian upper in either .400corbon, 10mm or .45super.

Only FTF's with it have been my fault with bad handloads with too tight a crimp or a bad primer seat. Factory ammo is 110% in it.

That said, I'd still rather have a wheelie on me for typical day to day life. If SHTF, I'll load up an autoloader to accompany a battle rifle though.
 
I got in late on this thread so I have not read it all but it has been mentioned that there was not much that you could do to personalize a Glock. I beg to differ. There several levels of trigger enhancements that can be done, grip reductions, stippling and custom finishes. Kind of like any other gun only cheaper.
Why do we like them? The polymer that they are made of is 17%stronger than steel by weight and 83% lighter. There are 34 parts in the entire gun including the mag and it's components. The parts are modular and, for the most part, interchangeable within all models. The polymer aids in recoil reduction by flexing and soaking some of it up.

One more reason that I found it much better in very cold weather... It's a HELL of a lot more comfortable to handle if using it a lot.

Here's a few pics of some of the ones that I have done:

Oval, extended mag release (requires altering the frame):
IMG_ODXOmr.jpg

OD green G19 w/ reduction and stippling:
OD19.jpg

G30 w/ reduction, trigger-finger channel, rounded trigger guard and full stippling:
G30.jpg

G17 w/ full-frame stippling, reduction and ronded trigger guard.
G17LS.jpg

G20 with extreme reduction, stippling and rounded guard:
IMG_G20rs.jpg

G27
G27rs.jpg

A LOT can be done to a Glock to make it "personal" and/or to fit the hand better. With a good trigger and sights, the Glock is extraordinarily accurate in the right hands.
 
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