Are Glock owners the new 1911 people?

[Marine 2211]

I own a G17 for a few reasons. One, I always wanted one, but never got the chance before. Two, it was cheaper by about two hundred bucks than the least expensive 1911. Three, I owned a Series 70 Commander and was (briefly )issued an A1. Both were total dogs, fussy, heavy, and complicated. Not dissing the 1911 totally, I've seen and shot some stellar examples that tended to cost more than the car I drive now. Show me a decent 1911 pattern for 4 bills retail and maybe I'll rethink it.

The Zenith M45 on sale at CDNN for $369 is a good reliable 1911. I have one and it has been trouble free so far.

 

[Garandimal]

One needs to define terms here.

1911 - Heavy, low capacity "Crunchentickers" that shoot sweet for a while, after you spend an additional acquisition cost on upgrades (or, start with a ridiculously expensive pistol).

GLOCK - Light weight, high capacity, inexpensive workhorse pistol, with a decent trigger for an additional $0.25.

There are no innovation threats to GLOCK... only market hype and Competitor whining.




GR

 

[Armored farmer]

1911s are like glocks for men.

 

[Spats McGee]

As always, one of the problems with the "Glock vs. 1911" discussion is that "Glock" is one manufacturer. "1911" is a design that's been copied by dozens of manufacturers over the years.

 

[JTQ]

One needs to define terms here.

1911 - Heavy, low capacity "Crunchentickers" that shoot sweet for a while, after you spend an additional acquisition cost on upgrades (or, start with a ridiculously expensive pistol).

In the words of Inigo Montoya, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

 

[shootstraight57]

I own both but for me they were tools that I needed for work. I love to shoot both and still do.
When I was on patrol I would carry the Glock because it was light and I can easily move around. The .40 cal was a good stopping caliber "in my opinion".
I carried the .45 when I was doing truck inspections with the anticipation that while under a truck doing a full inspection I might have to put one through the cab..

 

[JR24]

1911 - Heavy, low capacity "Crunchentickers" that shoot sweet for a while, after you spend an additional acquisition cost on upgrades (or, start with a ridiculously expensive pistol).

I love the hyperboly. Every one of my 1911s have worked perfectly from the box. From the lowly RIA, Ruger, Kimber, Springfield, Colt to Dan Wesson.

I acutally have more stoppages with my Glocks than my 1911s. Turns out they don't love flat nose FMJ (or truncated cones) as much as I'd like.

Also, hi cap "wide body" 1911s eliminate tge capacity issue. Assuming of course you can handle the size (which is no worse than, say, a Glock 21).

I prefer 1911s and Glocks over other guns but the nonsense that you have to spend a ton of money or buy a Wilson/Brown/Nighthawk to have a reliable 1911 is just silly.

 

[tarosean]

1911 - Heavy, low capacity "Crunchentickers" that shoot sweet for a while, after you spend an additional acquisition cost on upgrades (or, start with a ridiculously expensive pistol).

In the words of Inigo Montoya, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Yeah I am not sure I want to even google that one...

 

[Eagle103]

This is not a "Glock vs. 1911" thread. Read the OP.

 

[JeffG]

So, am I, or are you, guilty of what the article claims?

As soon as revolutionaries gain control, they become conservatives. Once I was comfortable with the Glock paradigm, I dismissed other pistols, new designs, and my *sniff* 1911 that I love so much. Guilty.

 

[Garandimal]

I love the hyperboly. Every one of my 1911s have worked perfectly from the box. From the lowly RIA, Ruger, Kimber, Springfield, Colt to Dan Wesson.

I acutally have more stoppages with my Glocks than my 1911s. Turns out they don't love flat nose FMJ (or truncated cones) as much as I'd like.

Also, hi cap "wide body" 1911s eliminate tge capacity issue. Assuming of course you can handle the size (which is no worse than, say, a Glock 21).

I prefer 1911s and Glocks over other guns but the nonsense that you have to spend a ton of money or buy a Wilson/Brown/Nighthawk to have a reliable 1911 is just silly.

Precision, not reliability.

Shot-loose scatter-gun 1911's are still fairly reliable.



But the OP question is - whether or not GLOCK currently faces the innovation threat that it was to the Cro-Magnon 1911.

The answer is - no.




GR

 

[Old Dog]

This is not a "Glock vs. 1911" thread. Read the OP.

Well, this is the internet after all, where any thread that mentions both "Glock" and "1911" turns into an inevitable Glock vs. 1911 debacle.

Brief historical review required: One must note here that it was the esteemed Col. Cooper who coined the word, "crunchentickers," and he was referring to DA/SA (or TDA) semi-auto pistols, primarily the new breed of "wondernines" back in the late '80s/early '90s.

Rather sad that some cannot be bothered to understand the 1911 ...

Precision, not reliability.

Shot-loose scatter-gun 1911's are still fairly reliable.GR

But then, some folks drive Kias, drink Folgers and watch network television ...

 

[Garandimal]

Well, this is the internet after all, where any thread that mentions both "Glock" and "1911" turns into an inevitable Glock vs. 1911 debacle.

Brief historical review required: One must note here that it was the esteemed Col. Cooper who coined the word, "crunchentickers," and he was referring to DA/SA (or TDA) semi-auto pistols, primarily the new breed of "wondernines" back in the late '80s/early '90s.

Rather sad that some cannot be bothered to understand the 1911 ...



But then, some folks drive Kias, drink Folgers and watch network television ...

Funny how so many caught that.

Ha!

Now that you feel better about your 1911 affection... do you have any position on the OP's question?




GR

 

[Old Dog]

Now that you feel better about your 1911 affection... do you have any position on the OP's question?GR

Ah, didn't read through the thread, eh? See post #46 ...

 

[TomJ]

I have Glocks, CZ's in DA/SA and striker fired, Sigs in DA/SA and striker fired, 1911's, FNS', FNX's, Dan Wessons, Smith and Wessons, Springfield Armory's and Rugers, so no I'm not guilty of what the article claims. I completely understand sticking with a particular gun that works for you, but for the life of me can't understand people who work themselves up or dismiss other guns because someone bought a gun that's different than what they own. Look at some of the current threads on this forum as an example. Someone mentions the new Glock 19 and some members find it necessary to repeatedly post about how much they hate Glocks. If you find a gun that you enjoy shooting, that's fantastic and I'm sincerely happy for you regardless of whether it's one of my choices or not. If one of my favorites doesn't work for you, you shouldn't buy it. If I ever become so arrogant that I believe my choices are the only choices others should make, someone please hit me in the head with a shoe.

 

[Garandimal]

Ah, didn't read through the thread, eh? See post #46 ...

Read it, just didn't connect it with the new commentary.

And it is the innovation, as you mentioned... and not the age, which you also mentioned.

LP>Cassette>8-track>CD>MP3 didn't take 75 years.

And GLOCK's biggest threat is economic. The < $300 RUGER Security-9 will leave a mark for sure.


But this in no way detracts from the intrinsic utility of the tool... as the M1 Garand will attest to.






GR

 

[BigMacMI]

I was very familiar with the M&P line. Started doing some competition shooting... got a G34. Shot it a year... Currently trying to sell it. Got a 5" M&P instead. The Glock people I know couldn't believe my decision. But, time against the clock, and visual feedback during dryfire drills changed my mind.

Glock certainly has the market for wizz-bang accessories tho!

 

[M1key]

In answer to original post: Yes

Next question please...

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