Glocks

[Pheasant815]

The range I am a member of has a Glock league that meets in the summer, and has been doing so for years. This past year they added a Springfield league too.
From what I have heard is there are just far more shooters now - especially pistol shooters.

 

[easyg]

Glock is the only pistol I have ever seen that you had to "relearn" shooting skills to shoot it accurately. I can pick up any 1911 or Hi-Power and go to town with it immediately. I had to spend $150.00 on a $500.00 Glock so I can shoot it accurately.

If you're using your sights then you can't miss with a Glock.

 

[Ash]

If you're using your sights, then you can't miss with a CZ, SIG, Ruger, Colt, DW, Steyr, S&W, Charter, Mossberg, Remington, DPMS, DSA, Norinco, Cugir, Stag, Bushmaster...

Why is it that Glock users so often make absolute statements, implying something inherent in all firearms as being something solely a characteristic of a Glock?

 

[ORHunter79]

The big shift in Glock popularity will be when we start to lots of LE agencies making a switch. The masses seem to follow what the cops carry.

Yep, what he said. Local PD switched to S&W, when I asked on why, they said they were cheaper than the Glocks. So now, sales of polymer S&W pistols is up.

 

[mizer67]

Now that S&W fixed the M&P trigger, Glock will face even stiffer competition.

I mean, why would any "left" handed shooter buy a Glock when M&P comes with ambi slide lock, ambi mag release and ambi safety?

For reloaders wanting to shoot lead without issues, M&P has conventional square cut land/groove rifling ... Glock still has hexagonal rounded hill/valley rifling with long leade not really compatible with lead bullets.

Shooters with smaller hands will love the small grip insert of M&Ps (my wife loves it on the M&P45). Yes, Gen4 Glocks have removable back strap, but they are not for sale in California! We can only buy Gen3 Glocks ...

Keep in mind that this is coming from a Glock fan. I still like them ... but growing to love M&P40/45 even more.

Can we talk about mag release and "drop-free" Glock mags?

OK, let's not.

Mainly because M&Ps, while excellent guns (I still own 3), still have a number of issues still that Smith refuses to correct, mainly accuracy at 25 yards (mainly with the 9mms), slide to frame fit and auto-forwarding. Even the guns that will shoot well are usually very picky about the loads they'll shoot (outside of the .45s).

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

I've been seeing more and more M&Ps and XDs lately. I've also noticed some PDs replacing their Glocks with M&Ps like the New Hampshire State Police.

 

[grayhambone]

Just read

my previous post in reference to the programs

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

and Glock had a program where if you turn in your old duty gear and firearms, you can buy a brand new Glock for around $160. Seems like the Glock would still be a more attractive way to go.

 

[grayhambone]

to a single person....not to a whole department that want's rifles

 

[Swing]

Is is it my imagination or is Glock firearms sort of fading out of favor. Not too long ago all one heard was how great Glocks were, but not things seem to have gone quiet. Just wondering. Thanks.

Eh, maybe with the competition from the XD, but the Glock is still very practical. Hell, I dig all steel 1911s and still admit the plastic-fantastic Glock is a humdinger.

According to some articles its American's favorite gun.

 

[Armed012002]

I love the 1911, but sometimes I want to use a pistol that does not need to be babied.

A Glock will function without lube. I don't recommend not using lubrication as this will accelerated wear; however, it's good piece of mind knowing you're good-to-go if your lubrication is all dried up.

A Glock is almost rust proof. You don't have to keep the finish oiled.

A Glock has awesome magazines. A polymer magazine is either in-spec and dimensionally correct or it's cracked. You can readily see from a distance that a cracked magazine is unserviceable. In comparison, steel magazines can dent, bend, and stretch and it's often difficult to determine serviceability. For example, at what point are feed lips on a steel magazine stretched to the point of not working properly? I don't want to carry a no-go gauge or calipers in my backpack.

The parts in a Glock do not need to be expertly fitted together by a gunsmith. This is something that drives me crazy about the 1911. If a part breaks, I just want to replace it and get on with business. I can't carry a gunsmith in my backpack.

Parts are inexpensive and readily available. As I said before, I can install them without a gunsmith.

For a fighting gun, it's hard to beat a Glock.

There are other brands that copy the Glock, but the combination of parts availability, ease of parts interchangeability, and awesome magazines keeps Glock in the lead.

Not to mention, I'm retired from the USAF and I can buy a brand new Glock for $425 with Glock's discount program

 

[Ash]

CZ magazines don't break and parts replacement don't require a smith, neither do parts on a Ruger, S&W, or most other modern autoloaders.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

to a single person....not to a whole department that want's rifles

That is if a department bought the Glocks. You don't think that the savings they get from the pistols would be used to buy rifles?

 

[2005 Vette]

My first gun was an XD40 I didn't want to be like the masses and I liked the XD. I thought it was a little heavy for long periods of carrying. So I bought a SC PX 4 storm and I liked that pistol as well. Then I joined a gun club and wanted to participate in USPSA so I did my home work and decided on a Gen3 G34. I immediately fell in love with the way the gun shot and the trigger. Then going back to shoot my XD I really didn't like the take up in the trigger the same with the Beretta I didn't see the value in the DA-SA trigger when my other guns were striker fire pistols. Exit the XD and the Beretta and enter a Gen 4 G19 and a Gen4 G 26 and I'm really happy I made the switch. It's all a personal choice and M&P's and XDM's are fine guns as well. What's best is what a person has the most confidence with.

 

[Smith357]

Don't worry there are plenty of folks who get mired in nostalgia and will stay with the Glock for ever, just like those 1911 guys, revolver dinosaurs, and Harley fanbois. Some folks just like old clunky designs.

If I missed anybody I'll try again later.

 

[Black Butte]

Not too long ago all one heard was how great Glocks were, but not things seem to have gone quiet.

They're still great, it's just now everyone knows it.

 

[Stasher1]

I don't really see how they're fading away. Glock is still the main LE pistol, and no other company offers a deal close to Glock's LE pricing... Police officers and cadets can get a Glock and 3 mags for $399. Pricing for departments is even less. I think Glock may lose popularity with the civilian market because of more affordable options ( better is certainly an opinion) but I think their hold on the LE market is pretty firm. While the M&P is gaining some ground, I don't think it will de-throne Glock for a long time.

Actually S&W's LE pricing on the M&P is the same ($399 for 9mm/40cal models, $455 with nite sights, both with three mags), and you don't need LE credentials to buy them. I'm carrying an M&P9c right now that I bought for $424 otd from my local S&W LE Distributor, and I'm a civilian.

 

[Tex4426]

glock is a well made pistol but lacks appearance(not to everyone some ppl like the blocky look) and ergonomic grips(probably the thing i hear most about why ppl wont buy one also one of the reason i dont like shooting them) i would probably still own one just to say i do but wouldnt shoot it much..theres many companies out there offering quality guns that feel very good in the hand and look really cool...that is a huge selling factor to most ppl (quality, looks, and durability)...glocks are by no means drying up there is just loosing a little bit of popularity due to not having changed very much through the years like pretty much every other company has

 

[Tex4426]

also a lot of ppl on here say that glock wont change its grips because we dont know what we want or that grip angle doesnt matter...it very well may not mater but y not offer a few with a grip angle gall it a G119 or something...the whole point of a business is to offer what ppl want..other companies realize this and thats y they are being bought more and more ...just an opinion...

 

[ForumSurfer]

A Glock has awesome magazines. A polymer magazine is either in-spec and dimensionally correct or it's cracked. You can readily see from a distance that a cracked magazine is unserviceable. In comparison, steel magazines can dent, bend, and stretch and it's often difficult to determine serviceability. For example, at what point are feed lips on a steel magazine stretched to the point of not working properly? I don't want to carry a no-go gauge or calipers in my backpack.

Glock mags are steel. They are also plastic. There is a hardened steel liner with a polymer outer.

I'll agree, they are tough as nails. I drop mine on anything while running it...concrete, mud, gravel, pavement or whatever even when weighted with rounds during failure drills...and never worry.

Even if they made an all steel mag, I'd never buy it. I've worn out more metal mags or been forced to replace them as opposed to glock plastic/steel mags. I'd need a darn good reason to convert to all metal as well as a metal mag catch to prevent wear there.

 

[ForumSurfer]

also a lot of ppl on here say that glock wont change its grips because we dont know what we want or that grip angle doesnt matter...it very well may not mater but y not offer a few with a grip angle gall it a G119 or something...the whole point of a business is to offer what ppl want..other companies realize this and thats y they are being bought more and more ...just an opinion...

Now I buy several different types of guns...not just glock. But if they change the angle, they have to retool. That will drive the price up significantly. It would also be silly to change the angle on all models because...well, they''re enjoying an all time sales high.

 

[Tex4426]

i would gladly pay more for a glock if it felt better in my hands..they shoot well..but they refuse to change the grip ..other companies do not..in fact i am buying a cz sp-01 for 600(100-120 more than what i can get a glock for) simple because it just as duarable and the grip feels absolutely amazing...i like the way the glock shoots but im not gonna force myself to use the uncomfortable grip when i can buy a gun thats just as good maybe better(its always arguable) that feels so natural in the hand...like i said this is just my opinion

 

[Tex4426]

never said i had a problem shooting it...it is very uncomfortable for me and many people ive talked to...i actually commend them a good weapon..im just stating the reason y people dont like glocks...o and if u can rotate your wrist without turning your arm 360 degrees thats utterly amazing...i cant even do that and rotate my arm..im actually trying to do it right now...cant even go 180 degrees

 

[Tex4426]

when people ask me about guns at work i tell them to try a glock..but dont force themselves to buy it if they dont like it...also my boss has a glock...he hates shooting it and rarely does and the only reason he has it is because its a reliable weapon..i like all kinds of weapons...the cz being my favorite...the glock not being my least favorite

 

[Stasher1]

It has nothing to do with how well your wrist "rotates". It's all about the natural angle of your hand in relation to the gun's grip angle.

Close your eyes, draw your sidearm, and raise it to eye-level. Now open your eyes and see how close your sights are to lining up and how much you have to adjust the angle of your wrist to align the sights. For many folks, the Glock's grip angle requires them to adjust their wrist quite a bit in order to line up the sights while other guns (1911, M&P, etc) do not.