Goex Pinnacle vs. Pyrodex

[Rachen]

I am always short on the real Holy Black and have been using Pyrodex lately. What is the difference between Pyrodex, and that Goex Pinnacle? I just heard of Pinnacle yesterday as I was surfing online.
They claim it is almost the same as black powder, color, weight, and is cleaner and less corrosive. Does that mean I will have to sacrifice the clouds of smoke, and the flames and the smell of the real stuff?

What is better and resembles the real Holy Black to the maximum extent? Pyrodex or Pinnacle?

 

[sundance44s]

sundance44s

Goex Pinnacle is made by APP powder co. its pretty much the same stuff ..needs no lube , cleans up with plain water ..no smell ... just lots of white smoke .

 

[mec]

It didn't work well for me until I got to full charges in a dragoon Post here:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=175862&highlight=pinnacle

I did clean a number of large revolvers and a pistol with modern cleaning stuff- just as if I were shooting smokeless powder. None developed any rust.

 

[arcticap]

Pyrodex probably resembles BP more, especially because it's corrosive. Even my wife can smell the odor of Pyrodex fouling being cleaned.
But if you were a flintlock shooter and found out that Pinnacle was designed to work in a flintlock pan, and then discovered that it did ignite okay because of its lower ignition temperature while Pyrodex didn't, then you might think that Pinnacle was more like BP.
So, as far as what is "better", that would depend on the criteria and what's the most important to the individual shooter.
Velocity, accuracy, ease of cleaning, number of shots per pound, reliability of ignition and performance, corrosiveness, smell etc...many of these variables depend on what the gun and the shooter prefer.

 

[Rachen]

Thanks very much guys for your help

I think I would rather stick to Pyrodex. I have experience with it, and it has never failed in my LeMat revolver.

The corrosiveness of the stuff didn't bother me because I always cleaned the gun as timely as possible. I am almost obsessed with the reliability of the LeMat

Articap: I bet your wife said something when she caught you cleaning your guns in her kitchen didn't she???

The only thing I care about is using a substance that resembles Holy Black to the MAX when I have difficulty getting my hands on the real stuff. I probably wouldn't even touch APP or H777 because they resemble more like smokeless to me, and a recent article I read by Chuck Hawks said that APP and H777 used a "fructose or sucrose" type of sugar as a fuel. I think I rather burn coal.

I might use APP to reload .45 ACP cartridges for my M-1911, but that's a different story.

Also in that article, he said that Pyrodex is basically Holy Black enhanced with perchlorate compounds, hence the corrosiveness, and why it is harder to ignite.

Tell you the truth, I use to read Chuck Hawks's stuff at my previous job at MTA-NYCTA and one day my manager smiled at me about it. But I think he is also a gun-lover, since he didn't say anything about it, as long as I got the daily workload done!

I just came upon Pinnacle yesterday, and I thought it was a pretty odd propellant.