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Tirod, I absolutely agree that no defensive tool is a magical icon, that merely possessing will protect you. That is why I strongly believe in practicing with safer versions of any dedicated defensive knife.
Or maybe he's the guy who cut the hand of someone posing a deadly threat to his life. I specifically designed the ARK with the simple, intuitive idea that it just had to be enough knife to cut someone holding you until they wanted or had to let go. We may face a threat worth using deadly force to escape (any defensive knife use is likely to be considered deadly force), but that merely cutting their arm or hand is enough to affect an escape.
John
Or maybe he's the guy who cut the hand of someone posing a deadly threat to his life. I specifically designed the ARK with the simple, intuitive idea that it just had to be enough knife to cut someone holding you until they wanted or had to let go. We may face a threat worth using deadly force to escape (any defensive knife use is likely to be considered deadly force), but that merely cutting their arm or hand is enough to affect an escape.
John
Excellent statement, I agree 100%.
My "Fighting knife" is the top one.
A waved Matriarch 2 carried right rear pocket for a reverse grip. Used to carry it weak hand (left) but no longer have full use of my left index finger.
My goal is to disable and escape with bio-mechanical cutting. Lethal force doesn't need to be lethal to be justified.
Considering that you don't need a 5" blade you could go for the smaller, and far more easily carried, fixed blades like the ARK or the slightly larger Moran or Serrata or the Temperance.
The ARK is a great little knife, but would not be my first suggestion for most people, just because neck carry is usually slower into action. I have asked Sal Glesser to consider slightly modifying the ARK sheath in the future to allow belt carry with the G Clip, if Spyderco continues making the ARK.
I wouldn't suggest the Temperance just because it's overbuilt for the mission. It's a tank, at over 7 oz. The Street Bowie, for comparison, weighs 3.8 oz.
I wouldn't suggest the Temperance just because it's overbuilt for the mission. It's a tank, at over 7 oz. The Street Bowie, for comparison, weighs 3.8 oz.
Welllll, I do have an affection for overbuilt knives.
Yah right. Which martial art do you study? Mine is Kempo Karate. My instuctor is Master Dan Jenkins, an inductee of the Martial Arts Hall of Fame in 2006. ( Kempo Master of the Year)
Any one who can throw, or block, a punch can effectively use a knife in reverse grip.
Seriously? This right here is just B.S you are regurgitating from the internet, and discredits anything you say on this topic.
Any fight that results in death will result in a trial for murder or manslaughter. No matter if it is a firearm, bare hands, knife, tire iron, what have you. In every State in this Union self defense is an affermitive defense to such charges. You admit you caused the death and plead to the court you were justified.
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Baloney. Head and face wounds almost always bleed copiously.
I know this, because I have suffered many of them. In real life. Not just on the intarwebs. The last was about 5 months ago, just a ding from the tsuba of my bokken. I bled everywhere.
Now, it is absolutely true that your body shouldn't forget how to move just because we are holding a tool. It's also true that "martial arts" are not just some arcane Asian invention, but that boxing, wrestling, and fencing, to name three common Western practices, are all also "martial arts".
John
Probably not, because that most likely means I will have to extend to reach their head. Extending is rarely "a sound tactic" because it leaves you open and vulnerable.
If their head is already within reach, and my life is in danger, I will probably go for the eyes.
I absolutely believe a good slash across the forehead could blind an attacker, but even aside from the risk of over-extending, I don't believe there will be enough blood to instantly blind an attacker, nor do I believe there will be enough continuous blood to leave them blinded for long.
What I do believe is inflicting damage on a deadly opponent without taking any is a sound tactic, and I also believe blinding an opponent for even an instant is good, because that in turn gives me a little more time to inflict even more damage, so that I can hopefully escape, or if that seems unlikely, inflict even more damage until the threat has been neutralized.
So...slash across the head of a deadly threat? Sure, I'd do that, if I could do it without opening myself up, and didn't have a better target, but if my life or the lives of others is on the line, I plan on cutting whatever bits an attacker is foolish enough to dangle in front of me, until I can disengage with honor.
John
If their head is already within reach, and my life is in danger, I will probably go for the eyes.
I absolutely believe a good slash across the forehead could blind an attacker, but even aside from the risk of over-extending, I don't believe there will be enough blood to instantly blind an attacker, nor do I believe there will be enough continuous blood to leave them blinded for long.
What I do believe is inflicting damage on a deadly opponent without taking any is a sound tactic, and I also believe blinding an opponent for even an instant is good, because that in turn gives me a little more time to inflict even more damage, so that I can hopefully escape, or if that seems unlikely, inflict even more damage until the threat has been neutralized.
So...slash across the head of a deadly threat? Sure, I'd do that, if I could do it without opening myself up, and didn't have a better target, but if my life or the lives of others is on the line, I plan on cutting whatever bits an attacker is foolish enough to dangle in front of me, until I can disengage with honor.
John
That is what Sabre Red is for. [emoji6]
On this we agree.I will cut anything that presents itself without exposing myself to harm.
However Tirod stated a cut across the forehead to blind your attacker as a fact and a sound tactic. On that basis I call B.S. And I stand by it.
Well, okay. I wouldn't denounce it as strongly as you did, but it would be down my list of options. Fair enough?
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You know, if their forehead is in range, their eyes probably are, too. And a blade coming at your eyes is likely to back someone up even quicker- and if you miss, you might still slash their eyebrow, which is likely to at least temporarily blind someone a lot quicker than a forehead slash.
Yeah...Damn it. I'm going to have to go with forehead is only a good option as just another place to make the attacker bleed.
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You know, if their forehead is in range, their eyes probably are, too. And a blade coming at your eyes is likely to back someone up even quicker- and if you miss, you might still slash their eyebrow, which is likely to at least temporarily blind someone a lot quicker than a forehead slash.
Yeah...Damn it. I'm going to have to go with forehead is only a good option as just another place to make the attacker bleed.
Fair enough.Well, okay. I wouldn't denounce it as strongly as you did, but it would be down my list of options. Fair enough?
It just gets my goat with gunshop/ internet wisdom on defense with sharp pointy things. At least we haven't heard the one about how easy they are to take away and use against you. [emoji4]
I probably edited and posted more about the time you did. We probably should have a thread about "primary and secondary targets" at some point.
Hopefully we can also kill any idea about knife dueling at the same time...I mean, what a damn silly Hollywood idea, a knife-on-knife fight.
Hopefully we can also kill any idea about knife dueling at the same time...I mean, what a damn silly Hollywood idea, a knife-on-knife fight.
Lol..... Yah...West Side Story lives on forever.
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Barry the Bear
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I like a lot of the knives posted guys, it's gonna take me some more research but now I have a good platform to go off of thanks!
It isn't necessary to train extensively to use a knife in a defensive role if your goal is to use it to aid in an escape from being grabbed or as a last ditch defense when you have nothing else. Some training should be done so you know the best simple targets and techniques for using a knife to get more speed and effect than just slash and pump.
The best thing when a blade is presented is to run like a frightened gazelle and put as much distance as possible between you and the guy with the sharp pointy thing (preferably by having made it to the car and smoked the tires heading into the next county) before you get within reach, but that's not always practical.
The best thing when a blade is presented is to run like a frightened gazelle and put as much distance as possible between you and the guy with the sharp pointy thing (preferably by having made it to the car and smoked the tires heading into the next county) before you get within reach, but that's not always practical.
Elkins45
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It is instructive to put on a white long-sleeved shirt and hand a Sharpie to someone, preferably someone smaller and weaker than you are. Ask them to "slash" at you until they can't do so anymore while you try to grab and immobilize them or simulate a choking. Now imagine each of those Sharpie marks is a bleeding slash wound.
Even a slight preteen girl flailing away with a decently sharp knife presents a defensive radius I have no desire to enter.
That's absolutely true.
Even just a few good ideas can help, such as: as a defender, don't "chase" your opponent. Stay on balance and don't over-extend.
If you slash, again, don't over-extend. If you swing far past your target, you have to recover to continue your defense.
If you slash or stab, immediately come back to a ready position in front of your body unless you are continuing a series of cuts.
Don't try to stop an attack with One Great Blow. A series of cuts, slashes, or stabs that inflicts damage on your attacker without you suffering any hurts them and puts you in a better position for every bit of damage you inflict. Winning almost always has nothing to do with whether your opponent walks away or not, just whether you or someone you're defending gets to walk away.
Even just a few good ideas can help, such as: as a defender, don't "chase" your opponent. Stay on balance and don't over-extend.
If you slash, again, don't over-extend. If you swing far past your target, you have to recover to continue your defense.
If you slash or stab, immediately come back to a ready position in front of your body unless you are continuing a series of cuts.
Don't try to stop an attack with One Great Blow. A series of cuts, slashes, or stabs that inflicts damage on your attacker without you suffering any hurts them and puts you in a better position for every bit of damage you inflict. Winning almost always has nothing to do with whether your opponent walks away or not, just whether you or someone you're defending gets to walk away.
Gordon
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Amazon has Maxpedition knives discounted. I heard no more will be produced. An extremely good buy IMHO This model fits your criteria to a T
http://www.amazon.com/Maxpedition-M...453871491&sr=1-13&keywords=maxpedition+knives
http://www.amazon.com/Maxpedition-M...453871491&sr=1-13&keywords=maxpedition+knives
Gordon
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JShirley: Don't get me going I recent bought the medfishbelly on Amazon to check it out. I traded my Bearcat away years ago towards another MD knife and of course there are no others forthcoming . Tim has the largest and best collection of MD knives on earth. He was also Kevins close friend , and tried to work with him for mutual benefit. I love Kevin still and have great respect for Tim. All in all a sad situation of which the old divorce story played the major role .
I recent bought the medfishbelly on Amazon to check it out. I traded my Bearcat away years ago towards another MD knife and of course there are no others forthcoming . Tim has the largest and best collection of MD knives on earth. He was also Kevins close friend , and tried to work with him for mutual benefit. I love Kevin still and have great respect for Tim. All in all a sad situation of which the old divorce story played the major role .
John, Yep. We had a thread with that question in it and the controversy between Kevin and Maxp. Maxp wasn't shy about saying that they used Kevin's style/designs but that they'd had an agreement with Kevin that fell apart and they proceeded without him.
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