Good Intentions, Poor Information

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With all the discussions of when and if someone shoud intervene in a situation going on here lately, I thought that this story would be appropriate:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...5EA801C67D687D528625728A00189D5F?OpenDocument
Wis. man who mistook porn DVD screams for rape charged with breaking into apartment with sword
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
02/22/2007


OCONOMOWOC, Wis. — A man says he broke into an apartment with a cavalry sword because he thought he heard a woman being raped. The sound actually was from a pornographic movie his upstairs neighbor was watching.

"Now I feel stupid," said James Van Iveren, who has been charged in the case. "This really is nothing, nothing but a mistake."

According to a criminal complaint, the neighbor told police that Van Iveren pounded on the door and kicked it open without warning Feb. 12, damaging the frame and lock.

"Where is she?" Van Iveren demanded, thrusting the sword at the neighbor, the complaint said. "Where is she?"

The neighbor told police Van Iveren became increasingly aggressive as he repeated the question, insisting that he had heard a woman being raped. The complaint said that, with the sword pointed at him, the neighbor led Van Iveren throughout the apartment, opening closet doors to prove he was alone.

Van Iveren, 39, of Oconomowoc, was charged with criminal trespass, criminal damage and disorderly conduct, all while using a dangerous weapon, and is due in court March 5. Together, the misdemeanor counts carry a maximum sentence of 33 months in jail.

Van Iveren said Tuesday that he heard a woman "screaming for help," grabbed the sword, bounded up the stairs, kicked in the apartment door and confronted the man who lived there.

"I intended to hold it behind my back and knock. But I froze and instead, what happened, happened," he told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

Van Iveren said he didn't look anywhere in the apartment except the front room, and that he never threatened the neighbor with the sword.

"I had the sword extended. But that was all," he said.

Van Iveren, who lives with his mother in the downstairs apartment, said he did not call police when he heard the noises because he does not have a telephone. He said he barely knew the upstairs tenant.

A rather humorous example of someone who was armed and totally convinced he needed to act. Unfortunately what he thought was going on in his neighbor's apartment...wasn't. Fortunately he's not in too much trouble.

Jeff
 
Porn DVD

You idiot!

I TOLD you to turn down the volume!

Van Iveren, who lives with his mother in the downstairs apartment, said he did not call police when he heard the noises because he does not have a telephone.
Hello?? No phone?? In 2007??

* Buries face in hands *
 
"Hello?? No phone?? In 2007??"
He's the new Highlander, apparently.

P.S. Checked the site, no pictures of him. I'll bet he wears a kilt, too.
 
I think a 39 year old living with his mother suggests something about the mental skill sets of the man under examination.
 
Ban swords. They serve no purpose but to kill people. Besides, I love porn too much to ban that.

Oh, and this should be on the list of "Signs your TV is too loud."
 
claim of right ...

He defeats the trespass because he has a good faith claim of right (if Wis. follows the common law trespass). A claim of right is a belief that you have a right to be where you are even if it is misguided. It defeats the common law element of intent for a trespass.
 
There's a bit more to the stoy as well.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=569088

Perhaps he thought better late than never?

Swordsman's claim disputed
Prosecutor says sounds on neighbor's DVD were consensual sex, not rape
By DAVID DOEGE and AMY RINARD
Posted: Feb. 21, 2007

Waukesha - The pornographic DVD that was being played in an Oconomowoc apartment doesn't square with a man's claim that he thought he heard a rape in progress before storming into the residence with a sword, a prosecutor said Wednesday.

"Does hearing the sounds of consensual sex under these kinds of circumstances indicate that a crime may have been occurring? Obviously, the Oconomowoc police thought not," Waukesha County Assistant District Attorney Kevin Osborne said.

As for kicking in the door while armed with a sword, Osborne said, "Was that a reasonable response? It's reported that he pounded on the door and kicked it in before the man had a chance to open it. That doesn't appear to have been a reasonable reaction to me."

Osborne said the decision to file the charges against James W. Van Iveren over the Feb. 11 incident primarily boiled down to his reported beliefs and actions being unreasonable.

"If he disagrees, we can take it to trial," Osborne said. "That's why we have trials."

Van Iveren's neighbor, Bret Stieghorst, said Wednesday that he believed Van Iveren was doing what he thought was the right thing in kicking in the door to his apartment and didn't care about the charges that were filed, except damage to property.

"He did kick in my door, so he should get charged with that," said Stieghorst, 33, who works full time and is a student at Waukesha County Technical College. "But he really didn't do anything except what he thought was right. I don't know what I would have done in that situation."

But if Van Iveren was attempting to rescue what he thought was a woman in danger he was "obnoxiously late," said Stieghorst, who said he watched the movie between 1 and 2:30 a.m., but Van Iveren did not burst into his apartment until about 11:30 a.m.

When he told Van Iveren that he was going to call the police, Van Iveren ran out the door of the apartment and down the stairs, and Stieghorst said he followed him. It was only when they got to the bottom of the stairs, and Van Iveren ducked into the door of another apartment, that he realized Van Iveren was his neighbor, he said.

Stieghorst, who said he has lived in his small downtown apartment for five years, said he was watching an adult DVD in Spanish called "Casa de Culo." He said the movie has no screaming that would suggest to someone a woman was in danger.

"It's all in Spanish, and I don't understand a word of it," he said. "I only bought it for the hot chicks."

Van Iveren, 39, of Oconomowoc, was charged by Osborne last week with one count each of criminal trespass while using a dangerous weapon, criminal damage to property while using a dangerous weapon and disorderly conduct while using a dangerous weapon.

Van Iveren told a reporter Tuesday that he distinctly heard a woman screaming while he was listening to music in his first floor apartment on the morning of Feb. 11. When the screams persisted over an extended period, he concluded that a rape was taking place in the apartment above his, so he decided to intervene, according to Van Iveren.

Van Iveren said he grabbed an heirloom sword, raced up a staircase to the apartment above him and kicked in the door, expecting to find a woman being raped. He said he left after the neighbor showed him that he was alone in the apartment.

Osborne said Wednesday that the case was unusual.

"I guess I'd call it a unique set of circumstances," he said.

Osborne said, though, that it would be a mistake to let Van Iveren off the hook merely because he says he was mistaken.

"You can't just make up an excuse for your behavior and expect to avoid consequences," he said.

Stieghorst said the incident will not change his movie-viewing habits.

"No, way; I'm a man and I'm a normal person," he said. "But I think I will get some good headphones, maybe some wireless ones."

The "victim" seems pretty laidback. No threats of lawsuits, no signs of trauma. He just says he'll buy some headphones.
 
He could just claim he was a free lance mohel and got the wrong address.
Seriously. Being a good citizen is one thing but this guy took it a bit far.
Hope he doesn't get too crucified by the system. He shouldn't get off scot free but good intentions should count even if bad thought processes were involved.
 
This reminds me of a Seinfeld episode. The one where George is *ahem* "using" a Glamour magazine and his mom walks in. She is in the process of fainting and he doesn't know whether to zip up or save his mom from falling. So what does he do... ZIP UP!


Did this guy have time? I'd love to go on but I really should stop :p
 
I'm glad everyone is having fun with this thread...we needed a little levity in here after all the discussion of the Trolley Square incident. This story seemed perfect.

Jeff
 
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Yeah...Sounds like a "Keystone Kops" moment for sure.

As far as a son/daughter living with a parent at any given age...don't be too quick to judge. Sometimes the parent is at some stage of disability up to and including completely bedridden. I know several people who sacrificed a few years of their personal lives to care for an infirm parent or grandparent.

I devoted 3 years between both parents, and don't regret it one bit. They would have done it for me.

Other times, it may be a situation that forces a choice between being homeless and moving back in with mom and dad. A temporary arrangement to allow oneself to regain his or her lost footing. It happens.
 
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