Gosh, I hate to ask the question (Glock vs XD)
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The Glock bashing does get old, and the mods seem very tolerant of it. I wish the inverse were also true.
Since we have an XD Racerboy, mutual admiration society thread going here, let me speak for Glock...
When we say, "Buy what feels best", I hope we mean, "Buy what feels best in live-fire trials." The sales counter with the boys BS-ing you and the firing range are two different experiences.
To compare fairly, lets keep calibers and frame sizes the same between the guns rented for trials. Lets make sure the rental guns are in equally good condition. Comparing an ancient G23 to a new XD .45 Tactical is a silly exercise!
That Glock's resume is the envy of the industry is no small thing! Glocks are a battlefield proven platform and the XD is not, and that's the reality of it--wishes aren't horses.
What, if any American police forces, currently issue the XD?
That the XD was quickly available in a .45 GAP model, but never a 10 mm, or 9 mm Full-Auto, speaks volumes to me. That Glock owners routinely convert their G21s to .45 Super, 10 mm, and even .50 caliber, speaks volumes to me.
I can't speak to Glock service (G17 11,000 + rounds, G19 8,500 + rounds, G21 10,000 + rounds...) as I've never needed any!
It was my pleasure to fire two XDs--a .40 and a .45 ACP--and I was impressed with both of them, except:
- I like Glock's low-in-the-hand center of gravity--a big deal for me.
- I like Glock's lack of external safeties and doodads.
- I like Glock's resume of real-world service.
- I like Glock's parts and service network.
- I like the plethora of aftermarket accessories available for Glock.
I've had zero problems with Glock...
- Triggers
- Guide Rods
- Magazines
I do agree that the stock Glock sights are cheesy.
FWIW, my local Glock armorer has an excellent reputation, and I've heard great things about the OEM...
It is occasionally opined that the XD is a Glock with all the evolution and refinements applied. I find this a particularly silly assertion--as if the inventor did not, by design, avoid all that unnecessary crap!
Question: Why don't we demand that 1911s be all Euro-curved in their ergonomics? Oh, that's right; in their case, that's tradition!
I'm guessing this is just about is where they'll step in and close down this thread, or delete my post!
I do agree though, go and shoot several, similar and equally maintained models of gun, and decide for yourself!
--Ray
The Glock bashing does get old, and the mods seem very tolerant of it. I wish the inverse were also true.
Since we have an XD Racerboy, mutual admiration society thread going here, let me speak for Glock...
When we say, "Buy what feels best", I hope we mean, "Buy what feels best in live-fire trials." The sales counter with the boys BS-ing you and the firing range are two different experiences.
To compare fairly, lets keep calibers and frame sizes the same between the guns rented for trials. Lets make sure the rental guns are in equally good condition. Comparing an ancient G23 to a new XD .45 Tactical is a silly exercise!
That Glock's resume is the envy of the industry is no small thing! Glocks are a battlefield proven platform and the XD is not, and that's the reality of it--wishes aren't horses.
What, if any American police forces, currently issue the XD?
That the XD was quickly available in a .45 GAP model, but never a 10 mm, or 9 mm Full-Auto, speaks volumes to me. That Glock owners routinely convert their G21s to .45 Super, 10 mm, and even .50 caliber, speaks volumes to me.
I can't speak to Glock service (G17 11,000 + rounds, G19 8,500 + rounds, G21 10,000 + rounds...) as I've never needed any!
It was my pleasure to fire two XDs--a .40 and a .45 ACP--and I was impressed with both of them, except:
- I like Glock's low-in-the-hand center of gravity--a big deal for me.
- I like Glock's lack of external safeties and doodads.
- I like Glock's resume of real-world service.
- I like Glock's parts and service network.
- I like the plethora of aftermarket accessories available for Glock.
I've had zero problems with Glock...
- Triggers
- Guide Rods
- Magazines
I do agree that the stock Glock sights are cheesy.
FWIW, my local Glock armorer has an excellent reputation, and I've heard great things about the OEM...
It is occasionally opined that the XD is a Glock with all the evolution and refinements applied. I find this a particularly silly assertion--as if the inventor did not, by design, avoid all that unnecessary crap!
Question: Why don't we demand that 1911s be all Euro-curved in their ergonomics? Oh, that's right; in their case, that's tradition!
I'm guessing this is just about is where they'll step in and close down this thread, or delete my post!
I do agree though, go and shoot several, similar and equally maintained models of gun, and decide for yourself!
--Ray
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Stephen A. Camp
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In a recent thread, I forget which one as there are several, Mr. Guest asked that terms like "fanboy" and such NOT be used. I am going to reiterate that here.
It would be a golden day if topics could be covered w/o the seemingly ever-growning rudeness here. As many besides myself note, it truly does grow old. It has cost more than one their membership here and will cost others down the road, I suspect.
Please, be civil and drop the "fanboy" - "fangirl" stuff...
At one time, I figured it was entirely possible for topics to be discussed in a courteous, helpful nature. I still believe that, sort of, well, a little, kind of...
We'll see.
(Have one friend who swears by XD45's and another by his Glock 21. Both of their guns work fine. I believe that in the end, we have to go with what we think will most likely work for us not necessarily the other guy but for us. Handling and shooting before we buy are certainly optimum but sadly not too often realistic expectations. Sometimes we have to go with our best guess. Sometimes we wind up being right and other times, not so right. Were I going to buy either a Glock or XD .45 right now, it would probably be the Glock. Others will feel just exactly the opposite. In the end, it will boil down to what the OP decides might work best for him. I have shot more than a few rounds through Glock 21's over the years and by chance happened to fire a few hundred through and XD today in a sort of "test" that a friend is running. Both seem very reliable in the examples I've tried.)
Thanks.
PS: R&J:I am a mod and am not "tolerant" of the "fanboy" silliness. It is just that there is more to life than reading every single post at this and several other sites I moderate at. Sometimes I just miss one. If you or anyone else has a complaint, there is a way to notify the moderators and trust me, plenty of folks know how and do so. Feel free to do the same if you have a complaint.
It would be a golden day if topics could be covered w/o the seemingly ever-growning rudeness here. As many besides myself note, it truly does grow old. It has cost more than one their membership here and will cost others down the road, I suspect.
Please, be civil and drop the "fanboy" - "fangirl" stuff...
At one time, I figured it was entirely possible for topics to be discussed in a courteous, helpful nature. I still believe that, sort of, well, a little, kind of...
We'll see.
(Have one friend who swears by XD45's and another by his Glock 21. Both of their guns work fine. I believe that in the end, we have to go with what we think will most likely work for us not necessarily the other guy but for us. Handling and shooting before we buy are certainly optimum but sadly not too often realistic expectations. Sometimes we have to go with our best guess. Sometimes we wind up being right and other times, not so right. Were I going to buy either a Glock or XD .45 right now, it would probably be the Glock. Others will feel just exactly the opposite. In the end, it will boil down to what the OP decides might work best for him. I have shot more than a few rounds through Glock 21's over the years and by chance happened to fire a few hundred through and XD today in a sort of "test" that a friend is running. Both seem very reliable in the examples I've tried.)
Thanks.
PS: R&J:I am a mod and am not "tolerant" of the "fanboy" silliness. It is just that there is more to life than reading every single post at this and several other sites I moderate at. Sometimes I just miss one. If you or anyone else has a complaint, there is a way to notify the moderators and trust me, plenty of folks know how and do so. Feel free to do the same if you have a complaint.
A fair question...
The grip safety didn't impress me at all. I just don't see the need on a self-defense, or concealed carry handgun. If your intention is not to shoot, keep your finger off of the trigger!
I think external safeties are fine--if you like them. I think they make sense on sporting firearms that are used infrequently, or seasonally, or by several people.
Note: I didn't dislike the two XDs that I shot. I just like the feel of the Glocks better, for the way that they sit low in my hand; this just feels better while firing, and helps make follow-up shots easier. But that's me.
I do not bash the XD, and would not be defensive of some XD owners, if they behaved like gentlemen (and the mods were bipartisan).
I think the XD is an impressive newcomer, and a fine gun in it's own right. But it is not by default an upgrade from the Glock. It is not an "evolved Glock", and it doesn't (at this time) share Glock's considerable résumé.
If the above summation and an excellent personal experience with three Glocks makes me a robot, fanboy, clone, or whatever, then I happily stand judged and convicted.
--Ray
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full disclosure: I own 2 XD's myself. 9 SC, 40 SC (and traded a 40 service once upon a time). My .45 is a Sig P220.
that being said, there are some other options to consider when you're looking for polymer CC pistols: (i only mention b/c they've caught my eye)
- Taurus Millenium
- Sig P250 Compact
that being said, there are some other options to consider when you're looking for polymer CC pistols: (i only mention b/c they've caught my eye)
- Taurus Millenium
- Sig P250 Compact
1911 guy
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Not proven?
Apparently some here don't realize that the XD has been around for almost two decades, it's merely been renamed for U.S. import and sale. And yes, it's been in service by quite a few police forces and a military or two. All european due to croatian manufacture, but the record is there.
As to the issue of weird chamberings, the XD has been produced in calibers the market has demanded. For a long time, it was 9mm only. Go figure, it was designed, manufactured and marketed in europe. When U.S. import got into full swing, the demand grew for .40 and .45 caliber pistols. Viola! Here they are. 10mm and such are niche calibers and drive no real market.
The pistol has been around long enough that Kimber tried to import it back in the early nineties, (I belive under the name P2000) but got cut off by the AWB. So there goes your "untried and untested" theory. Do a little more homework.
Apparently some here don't realize that the XD has been around for almost two decades, it's merely been renamed for U.S. import and sale. And yes, it's been in service by quite a few police forces and a military or two. All european due to croatian manufacture, but the record is there.
As to the issue of weird chamberings, the XD has been produced in calibers the market has demanded. For a long time, it was 9mm only. Go figure, it was designed, manufactured and marketed in europe. When U.S. import got into full swing, the demand grew for .40 and .45 caliber pistols. Viola! Here they are. 10mm and such are niche calibers and drive no real market.
The pistol has been around long enough that Kimber tried to import it back in the early nineties, (I belive under the name P2000) but got cut off by the AWB. So there goes your "untried and untested" theory. Do a little more homework.
DWARREN123
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I have or had Glocks and now have a XDm. They both have their points, justs depends on what you want. The Glock has no external controls like safety, grip safety or decocker, it is ready to go when drawn. The XDm I have is really set uo for competition shooting, it has a grip safety, loaded chamber indicator and ambi mag release. The XDm also has a fully supported chamber and match chamber/barrel with regular type rifling (Enfield) and a very good trigger. The XDm is a fairly good sized gun.
I think the Glock is a good out of the box self defense weapon and the XD is also, justs depends on what you want.
I think the Glock is a good out of the box self defense weapon and the XD is also, justs depends on what you want.
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I knew it had a European forerunner, but the "XD" is a relative newcomer on the American market, albeit, an impressive one!
Still, while impressive in its own right, the XD does not have Glock's resume.
The .45 GAP is hardly a mainstream caliber either... Its fast introduction to the market place in an XD model is most telling (and perfectly okay). But why no 10 mm, or .45 Super & .50 caliber conversions? Since the XD's hooked up with foreign militaries, why no full-auto 9mm?
Like I said, lets acknowledge Glock's resume, and not gloss over it, and spin the conclusion because we like something else better.
At any rate, thanks for the informative post!
--Ray
I knew it had a European forerunner, but the "XD" is a relative newcomer on the American market, albeit, an impressive one!
Still, while impressive in its own right, the XD does not have Glock's resume.
The .45 GAP is hardly a mainstream caliber either... Its fast introduction to the market place in an XD model is most telling (and perfectly okay). But why no 10 mm, or .45 Super & .50 caliber conversions? Since the XD's hooked up with foreign militaries, why no full-auto 9mm?
Like I said, lets acknowledge Glock's resume, and not gloss over it, and spin the conclusion because we like something else better.
At any rate, thanks for the informative post!
--Ray
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Couldn't agree more!
Glock delivers out of the box, good to go, combat handguns in every popular caliber, while offering remarkable reliability with factory produced ammos, in every climate extreme on the planet, and their extensive history proves it!
--Ray
Couldn't agree more!
Glock delivers out of the box, good to go, combat handguns in every popular caliber, while offering remarkable reliability with factory produced ammos, in every climate extreme on the planet, and their extensive history proves it!
--Ray
Regarding the grip safety. I feel it is about as useful as a screen door on a submarine, even on a 1911. While the XD is a fine gun it would be better if they had left off the grip safety. Just like on a 1911 its only good for potential problems.
Both are good guns.
Hold off on buying either one until you see the new improved versions of each. THey are both coming out with narrower designs.
If I were running the design departments in the two companies, I would improve them by making the frame out of stainless, and the slide out of titanium. Then I'd get rid of those silly trigger safeties.
Hold off on buying either one until you see the new improved versions of each. THey are both coming out with narrower designs.
If I were running the design departments in the two companies, I would improve them by making the frame out of stainless, and the slide out of titanium. Then I'd get rid of those silly trigger safeties.
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if you like 1911's get an xd, they are a decent pistol. The ergo's are so similar you should be able to switch from xd to 1911 with almost no pain, and the pistols in 45 are more accurate than they have any right to be!
if you want a poly gun and don't have prior 1911 training get the glock
Glock has a better parts distribution network, its to the point you can build a glock from aftermarket pieces. Not likely you will ever need access to glock parts though.
I like the Glock's lack of safeties, it has 1 more safety than a revolver which is probably 1 too many, if you follow 4 rules you don't need a safety. The xd's grip safety I don't like because you can't cock the pistol unless its depressed, and if you don't have a firm grasp it may not be depressed enough to allow the gun to fire.
if you want a poly gun and don't have prior 1911 training get the glock
Glock has a better parts distribution network, its to the point you can build a glock from aftermarket pieces. Not likely you will ever need access to glock parts though.
I like the Glock's lack of safeties, it has 1 more safety than a revolver which is probably 1 too many, if you follow 4 rules you don't need a safety. The xd's grip safety I don't like because you can't cock the pistol unless its depressed, and if you don't have a firm grasp it may not be depressed enough to allow the gun to fire.
Sapper771
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I carry and own Glocks. I have owned a lot of Glocks and I still continue to fill my safe with them. I have owned the XD .45 service model and I really liked it. The breaking point for me was the XD's trigger......it sucks. With a Glock, I can pay $10 and do a little side work with my dremel tool and have a decent trigger without having to send the pistol off to a custom shop or the factory. You can fully disassemble the Glock but you cant the XD. Big deal ? To me it is, I like being able to strip my Glock down and make sure everything is nice and clean. I liked the XD because of its grip, its grip angle, its accuracy, and its looks.
But why do I still carry my Glocks?
http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90&Item
Because it works.
But why do I still carry my Glocks?
http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90&Item
Because it works.
1911 guy
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It was imported as the HS 2000 by an outfit here in Knoxville. Springfield bought the rights to the pistol once it achieved cult status. I've never heard of Kimber having or attempting any involvement.
Kimber tried importing it before the AWB, at the same time they were attempting to expand their line with bolt action rifles. The AWB killed it, who wants a neutered pistol? The shift was toward bigger since you couldn't have more. They had a potential barn-burner on their hands and got it squashed by beurocrats. You are correct, it was the HS2000. It was Springfield that got it on the market post AWB and then it achieved cult status.
Kimber tried importing it before the AWB, at the same time they were attempting to expand their line with bolt action rifles. The AWB killed it, who wants a neutered pistol? The shift was toward bigger since you couldn't have more. They had a potential barn-burner on their hands and got it squashed by beurocrats. You are correct, it was the HS2000. It was Springfield that got it on the market post AWB and then it achieved cult status.
rc109a
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I am in the same situation, but I need to use it as a back up for my issue weapon. It has to be easily concealable. I am leaning towards the XD for a couple of reasons. The main one is the drills that I have to perform in order to qualify with a back-up. During our recent quals we did one handed reloading. I was using an H&K and some had glocks and a couple had XD's (all subcompact except mine). During those drills the glock sights kept breaking off (front sight). I know they can go to point shooting, but that was not the point. The XD's had no issues. At the 3 yard line it did not make a difference, but at 15 yards those guns without ront sights had issues. I am thinking about going the XD route as well. After doing some research I did find one thing that bothered me. A lotof people say the XD is single action while the glock is double action and therefore the XD is dangerous. Neither statement is 100% correct. While the glock "safe action" is really close, it is still not a double action (even glock admits to this). The XD is "striker fired". Take it this may be just a play on words by either company, but there is differences.
As far as being proven, most are correct. I could not find a department that has "issued" the Xd, but I did find a lot on the internet that stated that a lot of departmnts are considering replacing their current guns and the XD is on the short list. A lot of departments have this gun on the list as authorized to carry off-duty and as a back-up. The Croatia military has been issued their version of the XD since 1999. The glock has been around a lot longer and has fought the same battles as the XD when they first came out. Remember the term "tupperware" gun? Glock had to fight to get ride of this negative image. S/A will be doing the same for some time to come. Both are great guns and will suit most shooters. Get the one that feels best and go for it. That is what I am doing. I wish you the best of luck in your decision and let us know what you have bought.
As far as being proven, most are correct. I could not find a department that has "issued" the Xd, but I did find a lot on the internet that stated that a lot of departmnts are considering replacing their current guns and the XD is on the short list. A lot of departments have this gun on the list as authorized to carry off-duty and as a back-up. The Croatia military has been issued their version of the XD since 1999. The glock has been around a lot longer and has fought the same battles as the XD when they first came out. Remember the term "tupperware" gun? Glock had to fight to get ride of this negative image. S/A will be doing the same for some time to come. Both are great guns and will suit most shooters. Get the one that feels best and go for it. That is what I am doing. I wish you the best of luck in your decision and let us know what you have bought.
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Both are striker fired. As are a bunch of other guns. It's very common. Anything you see without a visible hammer, is probably striker fired.
As far as the "safe action Glock" vs "single action XD" goes, there is no practical difference. If you have a misfire, you will still have to cycle the action to fire again.
Think of it as "partially precocked" vs. "fully precocked". Or something. I should write ad copy.
umm. Yes you can.
rc109a
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Lee N. Field:
thanks for that link on how to disassemble an XD.
thanks for that link on how to disassemble an XD.
varoadking
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I've owned a number of each - 9mm's, 45ACP's, and .40S&W's. All shapes and sizes. Neither is what I would call particularly accurate...
I sold all four of the XD's, and kept the G22 and G17. I plan to buy a G20SF whenever they come out.
Hope that helps...
I sold all four of the XD's, and kept the G22 and G17. I plan to buy a G20SF whenever they come out.
Hope that helps...
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