BigBlue 94
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Soak some rawhide then wrap your barrel and set it in the hot sun a few days... That'll really tension it!Hmmm. Makes me wonder if paracord makes an effective barrel regulation adjusting tool.
Got a new "survival/pack" rifle - show me yours
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As badly as I wanted that bag, my Marlin/Nodak rifle was too long.
I ended up getting a pistol grip shotgun case from this place. https://elitesurvival.com/collections/standard-rifle-cases/products/pistol-grip-shotgun-case
Looks to be well made. I expect it to be as durable as any other soft case I've ever owned.
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All these braced autoloader "pistols" make me wish there was a rimfire bolt action repeater in a similar set up.
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Now…that is a charming criticism. The M6 pictured in my post and the “naked” M6 in the later post are not original “air crew survival weapons”. The big difference is barrel length. The originals had 14” bbls. These later M6s were designed for people you and I. Wrapping the barrels in paracord has had NO effect on accuracy.
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I have wanted one of these for ever:
https://www.packrifle.com/product/pack-rifle/
I always seem to find something else to buy instead, but maybe it is time.
Not only is the lightweight and a take-down, you can turn it into a fishing pole!
https://www.packrifle.com/product/pack-rifle/
I always seem to find something else to buy instead, but maybe it is time.
Not only is the lightweight and a take-down, you can turn it into a fishing pole!
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All these braced autoloader "pistols" make me wish there was a rimfire bolt action repeater in a similar set up.
Ah the ball is in MY court now! I would like to introduce you to the model 501/502 Savage Striker! Left hand bolt with right hand ejection and magazine fed. The 501 is the 22LR and 502 is the 22Mag. I have a 502 and it is a tack driver. Thats what led me to buy its model 516 big brother in 22-250.
They use the common rimfire savage mags too. A brace would be custom though as they dont have a big following.
Xenforo forums are having an issue with pasting URLs today but i have this stock pic of a 516 in my attachments
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Me too.
My suggestion to consider a holstered handgun is in lieu of packing a takedown rifle. Which handgun and why is a very circumstantial, purpose-driven decision (hunting/plinking/self-defense and/or all of the above).
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Me too.
Makes me think whether a handgun or a "hand-rifle" would be best if you want something in between. I tend to call handguns a hand-rifle if it has a barrel longer than 8". No braces in this particular thought experiment, as a good brace turns a hand-rifle into a carbine in my opinion.
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That's pretty cool. I don't recall hearing about the rimfire Strikers before.
They are smaller than the centerfire strikers, built on the standard rimfire action for each rimfire size, with 10 inch barrels. Pretty light but not easily shot offhand like a pistol. A tree branch or whatever is needed for that third point of contact for true accuracy.
The strikers are not the prettiest guns, but they serve their purpose very well. Rifle accuracy in a repeating action, in a short package. And the centerfire ones are easy to swap calibers on, within the same boltface diameter at least. Any model 10/110 barrel will fit.
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And yes, a pack rifle is in addition to a sidearm. Sidearm is for general defense and sudden chances of meat acquisition. The pack rifle stays in the pack until needed for stalking or secondary defense.
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A Club member used to mount a standard rifle scope on semi auto.22 LR pistols as far to the rear as possible.
This placed the eyepiece several inches behind the bolt or slide.
He would hold the Eye piece with his palm and fingers of the non firing hand and extend his thumb just as an experienced person might check out a scope in a store not mounted on anything. He would place his thumb on his check next to his nose to get correct eye relief, then grasp the pistol grip, aim and fire.
He regularly took Squirrel with those rigs and would knock over 12 gauge shotgun hulls at 25 yards all day.
I have to say it seemed the bolt/Slide came pretty close to his face still and I believe I felt the wind of such when I tried one of his guns
It worked well though.
I am not encouraging anyone to smack themself in the face with fast moving .22LR pistol parts, but he made it work for him and for five shots it worked for me
These days I might be concerned with the pistol grabbing face hair as it cycled! (Shades of Old Nonte’ and his Kiaser Willhelm)
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This placed the eyepiece several inches behind the bolt or slide.
He would hold the Eye piece with his palm and fingers of the non firing hand and extend his thumb just as an experienced person might check out a scope in a store not mounted on anything. He would place his thumb on his check next to his nose to get correct eye relief, then grasp the pistol grip, aim and fire.
He regularly took Squirrel with those rigs and would knock over 12 gauge shotgun hulls at 25 yards all day.
I have to say it seemed the bolt/Slide came pretty close to his face still and I believe I felt the wind of such when I tried one of his guns
It worked well though.
I am not encouraging anyone to smack themself in the face with fast moving .22LR pistol parts, but he made it work for him and for five shots it worked for me
These days I might be concerned with the pistol grabbing face hair as it cycled! (Shades of Old Nonte’ and his Kiaser Willhelm)
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I have a gun that would be perfect for that, if it had a scope mount on it: Colt Woodsman Match Target. Its slide recoils about 1.25" and the gun is heavy enough that it doesnt move when shot with standard velocity stuff. Though i think i too would need a facial trim to do so!
The few people ive introduced to the LER scoped savage striker have all kinda looked at it in both hands, looked at me, and tried to hold it like it was a normal scoped rifle. I say, no-no, and after shooting it they all realize it would have left em without an eye!
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@chicharrones ... nice topic ... hurts that I'm now hunting a SRS-M stock.
My examples:
Belgium born SA22
Norinco ATD
The Marlins (795 in Badger M22 & a pair of Papooses)
More recent shot of the Papoose folder
FDE Sub 2000 9mm with a rarer Sub 9 chambered in 357 Sig
My examples:
Belgium born SA22
Norinco ATD
The Marlins (795 in Badger M22 & a pair of Papooses)
More recent shot of the Papoose folder
FDE Sub 2000 9mm with a rarer Sub 9 chambered in 357 Sig
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I uses to have one of those BC folders on my stainless 10/22. Somehow it broke, though how i dont remember. I saved the metal folding stock portion though. Havent found a use for it yet.
I really want one of the AT-M or whatever folders for my Mini-14
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Nice collection! Those first two look like an old Remington i have in 22 short. Bottom eject, model 231 or something i think.
That Sub 9 is nasty looking, in a good way! Almost has an RPG-7 look to it lol. Maybe its the wood grip.
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I have a brief report from Kel Tec (PO had them do a few things in 2019). First service note reads: This firearm has been identified as one of a limited run of Sub-357s built by Bud Perette (twistedindustries.com).
I find it interesting in that the receiver halves are crafted from steel. Sub 9s had aluminum receiver halves. I got the ?original? forend which has the factory light and is cut for the tip-off optic mount. Unfortunately, the tip-off mount was separated from the Sub before I got it. I did the Red Lion forend and the buttstock. It can be returned to original condition pretty easily.
@BigBlue 94 ... Both the SA22 and the ATD share direct lineage with your Remington - it is a JMB design which was licensed by Remington for a time. Here is JMB posing with an early example:
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Earlier, I showed how a 10.5 or 11" AR pistol can be broken down to fit in a standard computer backpack or assault pack size. As you see, there's also room for a sidearm and spare mag. This was my idea of an insurance bag for a place where I wasn't expecting any trouble, but was somewhat isolated, so if there was an emergency, it might be up to an hour before LEO arrived.
Using the AR-like FM15 gives different options. The beauty of a large bufferless pistol or SBR like this, is the ability to be more compact than an assembled AR15 pistol, yet ready for action in just a couple seconds. Unzip the bag, extend the stock or brace- if there's time- safety off, engage threat. However, an assembled AR15 -style pistol is "lumpier" than a dissembled one. You'll need a larger bag, like this Cannae Sarcina 34L bag, to comfortably fit the FM15. That does, however, give additional options. This "base load" has my FM15, a sidearm, and 160 rounds of 5.56mm, and 66 rounds of 9mm with sidearm and holster.
In an emergency, I can grab this and go, and have what I need to get my family out of dangerous situations like the mobs we've seen in the last few years. If I have the luxury of time, I can choose some additional items to add, like a couple of changes of clothes. If I'm going on vacation, I would probably lose most of the spare mags, and the 50-rd box of Federal +P+ JHP, and add more clothes. If things were going super bad, I could quickly add 6 more AR mags and more water, and run.
(If you have poor eyesight, the Sarcina contents also include wet wipes, lights, hygiene kit, cigars, a poncho liner lightweight "blanket", playing cards, Swiss Army knife, multitool, compact GE fighting knife, Camelback 1L water bottle, 2 kinds of sonic ear pro- allowing normal hearing, but protection from loud noises- and titanium chopsticks.)
AR15 pistols are easily found, and there are budget versions available. They work great, as long as members have the time to pull out the receivers and assemble them. Newer bufferless AR15 evolutions like the FM15 require a larger bag to carry assembled, but can be ready in barely more time than it takes to present a sidearm from a holster.
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Using the AR-like FM15 gives different options. The beauty of a large bufferless pistol or SBR like this, is the ability to be more compact than an assembled AR15 pistol, yet ready for action in just a couple seconds. Unzip the bag, extend the stock or brace- if there's time- safety off, engage threat. However, an assembled AR15 -style pistol is "lumpier" than a dissembled one. You'll need a larger bag, like this Cannae Sarcina 34L bag, to comfortably fit the FM15. That does, however, give additional options. This "base load" has my FM15, a sidearm, and 160 rounds of 5.56mm, and 66 rounds of 9mm with sidearm and holster.
In an emergency, I can grab this and go, and have what I need to get my family out of dangerous situations like the mobs we've seen in the last few years. If I have the luxury of time, I can choose some additional items to add, like a couple of changes of clothes. If I'm going on vacation, I would probably lose most of the spare mags, and the 50-rd box of Federal +P+ JHP, and add more clothes. If things were going super bad, I could quickly add 6 more AR mags and more water, and run.
(If you have poor eyesight, the Sarcina contents also include wet wipes, lights, hygiene kit, cigars, a poncho liner lightweight "blanket", playing cards, Swiss Army knife, multitool, compact GE fighting knife, Camelback 1L water bottle, 2 kinds of sonic ear pro- allowing normal hearing, but protection from loud noises- and titanium chopsticks.)
AR15 pistols are easily found, and there are budget versions available. They work great, as long as members have the time to pull out the receivers and assemble them. Newer bufferless AR15 evolutions like the FM15 require a larger bag to carry assembled, but can be ready in barely more time than it takes to present a sidearm from a holster.
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"Barely more time" is a lot of time when comparing how long it would take to get any kind of "pack rifle" unlimbered, assembled and ready to go as opposed to drawing a handgun from a holster.
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