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GLOOB

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I finally have a "getting made" story of my own, and it was a bit of an annoyance.

I left the house a little after 2pm to drop off some packages at UPS. I arrived there and parked 2 spaces away from a K-9 unit - large white SUV. I got out of my car, said hi. He was already out of his car. He returned my greeting and turned and walked toward the building.

Meanwhile, I realized my shirt had ridden up, so I adjusted it. Then I got my packages out of the back of the car and walked toward the building.

Cop said the front door was locked, I might have to use the side entrance. I looked at the sign: Hours 7am-12pm and 4pm-7pm. Duh. They were closed. I told the cop that I guess I'd be going to the post office. I idly wondered what the heck he was doing there if they were closed. He didn't seem to be doing much.

So off to the post office. I was nearly there (literally a block away) when I notice a white SUV behind me. It's the K-9. I had planned to go to the post office and leave my gun in the glove compartment while I dropped off my packages. But it has been awhile since I took the course, and I haven't kept up on any possible changes to the law since then. So I decided to pull into a gas station, rather than a government parking lot, to see if I was being followed. Yup.

I parked. The SUV stopped in the parking lot a good ways away. I looked at him, and he motioned at me to stay where I was. My window was rolled down. I simply said "I'm licensed," and put my hands on the car door where they could be seen.

Two more patrol cars drove in. One blocked my car from the back. None of them put their lights/sirens on. They asked me to step out of the car slowly, then show them my ID. As I handed over my ID, I asked the K-9 cop if I had flashed. He said he saw me printing when I bent down to pick up the boxes out of my car, and that they had to be careful cuz there where "crazies out there."

While the check was going through, I admitted that I had planned to drop off some packages with the gun in my car, and one cop seemed confused as to the legality. Another said it would be fine, do to so. Two minutes later, check came through, and they told me to have a nice day.

So I pull out. A patrol car pulls out right behind me. I get to the post office. Cop right behind me. Well, ***. I guess I don't trust them, because I decided to drive all the way home to drop off my gun before returning to the post office. The cop followed me for all the way back to my place, before continuing off after I turned into my street!

So am I crazy, or do you think these cops decided to profile a guy who has passed extensive background checks and been voluntarily fingerprinted? I wonder what would have happened had I pulled into the post office? I remember clearly from my course that I cannot bring a firearm into a government building or any school properties, including parking lots. But I honestly wasn't sure if government building parking lots were on the list... I sure as heck didn't want to take any chances though.
 
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Well that's what happens when you make small talk with cops. Keep your plans to yourself, they're not your friends.
 
It’s much easier to bust you than a real criminal. Never give cops any more information than they ask for (and sometimes not even that).

Bottom line is that you will probably get into more trouble with the cops than you would with an actual criminal.

Be careful.

Dan
 
Wow, what state do you live in? I'm glad I'm in Washington State.

BTW, it is against Federal regulations 39 CFR 232.1 to carry or store a firearm on postal property. SO, if you choose to enter the post office parking lot and keep your gun in your car, you are, technically, breaking the law because you are storing your firearm on post office property.

(l) Weapons and explosives . Notwithstanding the provisions of any other law, rule or regulation, no person while on postal property may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes.
 
I certainly think that was uncalled for

But accurate. Cop may be decent enough but his Sergeant or Leiutenant may be an a-hole and Mike Niphong's brother-in-law may be your county DA.

When they start using commercials again like "Call a friend, call a cop" then I may weigh in differently.
 
So what gun do you carry? I got made by a neighbor in his home no less, he is a bouncer at a rough joint and has to notice these type of things to stay alive. He made me with my 642 in my pocket for godsake! Cops, bouncers, security guards, fellow CCH's, they all watch hands and pockets. No one has made me with my NAA, not that this gives me much comfort.
 
BTW, it is against Federal regulations 39 CFR 232.1 to carry or store a firearm on postal property. SO, if you choose to enter the post office parking lot and keep your gun in your car, you are, technically, breaking the law because you are storing your firearm on post office property.

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(l) Weapons and explosives . Notwithstanding the provisions of any other law, rule or regulation, no person while on postal property may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes.

I can just imagine the day in court.

"I was there with the same three cops that arrested me, and one of them clearly said that it was ok to leave my gun in the glove compartment."

"I never said that. Anyway, I'm a cop, not a judge."

Guess I would have been at fault. I'm so glad I'm not a complete idiot and actually trusted that cop, afterall. I'm lucky those cops were either not trying very hard, or they're pretty dumb to think I can't see a patrol car right on my ass.

As for UPS not allowing guns, thanks for the info. I have only been there a couple times and never noticed a sign. If I'm not mistaken (again) about NC law, the most that could have happened is that they notice and ask me to leave.
 
No, it's ok, either way. I agree with raskolnikov. I know from several experiences that cops are not MY friend. I'm just feeling lucky right now that they've tried to screw me so many times that I've finally gotten the good sense to stop trusting them, despite what they teach in school.

I wasn't trying to make small talk with them. Beyond, hello, which I give for free to anyone who I might come across well off the beaten path, such as in the boonies where UPS is, I should have just kept my mouth shut. But the cop was there standing by the door and told me the door was locked, and suggested I use the side door. He didn't seem to be doing ANYTHING. He certainly wasn't holding a package or going anywhere. I guess it was just his natural way to get me to make small talk. Anyone else standing there, I might have said as much... which amounted to a sigh and a "guess I'm off to the post office."

Then at the gas station, I was hoping for a clear answer either way, about the post office question. Hindsight tells me I shouldn't have bothered. 100% right. Don't talk to cops. Don't ask them for legal advice. Got it. Thanks.
 
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So what gun do you carry?

Right now, carrying a PA-63, and I don't know why I bother. The thing has one FTF per mag with the hard-primered ammo I have. I wish I'd have gone with the G19 over the G21, but I didn't have my CCW at the time. My foresight is obviously poor. :)
 
It’s much easier to bust you than a real criminal.
My sentiments exactly.

But someone will say, "How does he know who's a real criminal?" All he had to do was confront the issue right there at UPS by asking if GLOOB had a license to carry. To follow him for blocks and call in two additional units was absurd.
 
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Well, this is interesting, but I would have liked to know what PD it was, myself.

Shirt riding up while driving is a recipe for exposure, I'm new to packing as well, and have realized that I was exposed while exiting a vehicle a couple times already ... good reason to park a bit further out.
 
High Road-ness abound in this thread.

Guess what, the cops did nothing wrong. How do you know a police officer followed you?
 
most city cop's think 1911 is a year, they are not into hunting or guns so they feel insecure when someone else can carry too. last time I got pulled over for a headlight out the police officer asked me why do you carry a weapon, and I told him I obviously can't fit you and my wife in my Porsche, that kind of ended the question.
 
How do you know a police officer followed you?
I don't know. It just felt like an awfully odd coincidence that he pulled out right behind me and went the same speed and direction till nearly all the way home.

Yeah, they didn't do anything wrong. I'm just lucky that I didn't do anything wrong. And I was left with the feeling that they wished I had. I want to believe that feeling is unwarranted, but experience doesn't lie.
 
Guess what, the cops did nothing wrong. How do you know a police officer followed you?

Of course they did something wrong. Why didnt the cop ask him for his permit at the begining, instead of following him and then detaining him with two other cops present? Then why follow him when he left?

BTW factcheck.org was blown out of the water as being horribly biased and a joke. Check it out on the net.
 
High Road-ness abound in this thread.

I know you are being sarcastic, but for a touchy subject I think people are being very high road. Not liking our public servants acting more everyday like gov't storm troopers and our DA's who act like Mike Niphong's is a very legitamate sequence when talking about a law abiding person being harrassed by LEO just because he is legally carrying.

Guess what, the cops did nothing wrong. How do you know a police officer followed you?

He was there, didn't you follow the story or did you fall asleep in the middle?
 
Well that's what happens when you make small talk with cops. Keep your plans to yourself, they're not your friends.

+1. And that's nothing against the cops. They just really aren't your friends. They are strangers. You don't know them. Striking up a conversation with anyone makes them pay direct attention to you. That's great if you want the attention. If you don't want the attention, don't make small talk.

A lot of people are very anti-social these days. Approaching a person and striking up a conversation with them out of nowhere is likely to cause them to scrutinize you. It's sad but true.

Same thing goes for walking through a bad neighborhood at night. If I was forced to do that, I sure as heck wouldn't be doing anything to attract any extra attention to myself.
 
Yeah, it's true. But I often make quick eye contact and offer a "hey" or "hi," to complete strangers, cops not exclusive, then keep on walking. Not a friendly, "let's stop and get to know each other 'hi'" and a smile. Just a "I'm aware of your presence, and now I am certain you're aware of mine, 'hi,'" with direct eye contact and a small nod. Especially when far from the beaten path. To me it would be odd to practically bump into someone under those conditions and not acknowledge their presence. It is also a way to quickly judge someone's mood and intentions. Eye contact and a nod is the universal sign of being agreeable and non-hostile, isn't it? Now if that stranger stops and actually strikes up a conversation with me, I'll be the first one to find that odd.

I didn't stand there and wait for more. Just a "hi," and move on. Ok he's obviously not here to raid the UPS cuz he suspects there's a drug deal going down in the warehouse. Otherwise I wouldn't have gotten the universal response. So I go about my business.

Then he was there at the door talking to me, offering helpful advice. "The door is locked, you might have to use the side door." !? Didn't he realize the place was CLOSED? I didn't dwell. As soon as I figured out the office was closed, I departed. I'm not a mall ninja cop wannabe groupie, or any goober looking to make friends at the UPS. :)
 
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Hey Gloob...I'm not real clear on how much discussion you had with the Cop at the UPS, but in NC if the conversation goes beyond "hi" as you walk past, then you are required to declare your CCW to him.

Maybe he got suspicious because he made you and you had not declared?
 
That's a good point. I am actually discouraged to the point I will rethink carrying until I do some more homework. Now that you mention it, I do recall this rule.

As stated, it was not more than his 2 sentences, then my declaration that the place was closed, I guess I'll be going to the post office. End. So what would you think in this situation? Would it be appropriate to tell him "BTW, I'm carrying, concealed, officer?" Honestly, it did not even cross my mind. It's scary how I nearly broke two laws in one day, trying to mail a package.
 
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I'd say it's time for a better, fully adjustable holster like a Supertuck or a K-holster, a gun that doesn't jam, and maybe a size bigger shirt! I carry a Sig -P6 tucked into a K-Holster and I haven't been made yet.
 
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