Finally.So parents feel better, OK that make sense
Finally.So parents feel better, OK that make sense
I don't know that they DO. I certainly wouldn't take your word for it.So I'm supposed to explain why the majority of parents do NOT want guns around schools?
I don't know that they DO. I certainly wouldn't take your word for it.
Some parents "felt better" when George Wallace stood in a schoolhouse door.Finally.
This will be my last reply to you, I do not feel anything useful will come from continued discussion with you.So let's be clear here, you ARE in favor of felons owning handguns?
That's weak on crime.
Liberal.
Got a quote of that?Like when you said "No one should ever talk to police ever?"
Got a quote of that?
I didn't think so.
After reading everyhing in context, I apologize brboyer.
In my haste to add my anectdotes, I scanned comments, and definitely lept before looking. I have coffee now, I'm better. I'll definitely be going back and reading the entire thread now to better see all positions.
Again I'm sorry to all for any confusion I may have added to this serious, and needed topic.
In other words, you DON'T have a quote.You have numerous posts advocating the policy of "never talk to the police."
Oh I agree, but Deanimator rides around with recording equipment hoping to catch one making a mistake. A wee bit extreme imho.Hunto, it's healthy to be skeptical of the police.
Lying in a report to justify a false arrest or other crime is no more of a "mistake" than throwing a gun down a sewer after you've used it to rob a liquor store.Oh I agree, but Deanimator rides around with recording equipment hoping to catch one making a mistake. A wee bit extreme imho.
You have numerous posts advocating the policy of "never talk to the police."
Some people simply demand absolute deference to authority, whether that authority is legitimate in its actions or not.What I am really having trouble with is why something that simple makes people so angry.
There was a case presented by my instructor during my CWP class. I'm a little fuzzy on some of the details but the gist of the case was that a felon was put into the Witness Protection Program after providing testimony. The subject was somehow made or located and had an attempt made on his life. The subject requested assistance from the authorities and even asked to be incarcerated for his protection, but the authorities refused. The subject then obtained a weapon for personal defense. Upon discovery he was charged with unlawful possession. The case was decided by the appeals court, which ruled that even a felon had the right to defend himself and the illegal possession charge was thrown out. Obviously, this was an extreme case as the subject had reasonable cause to expect to need to defend himself and the authorities were refusing to provide that defense. Still, it shows that even the courts recognize that there are times when a felon can indeed use a weapon for defense.This will be my last reply to you, I do not feel anything useful will come from continued discussion with you.
I am in favor of all free men/women owning and carrying firearms without restriction.
hunto said:How is he anti-gun when he owns one?
Sam1911 said:If this thread has any life left at all, the "troll" comments have to stop NOW.
Nowhere in the constitution does it say that anyone, cops included, have the right to do whatever it takes to go home at the end of the day. It does, however, say that I have the right to keep and bear arms, and it says that I have the right to be free from unwarranted search and seizure.BlkHawk73 said:My rights, my rights, my rights... Scream it all you want, but that officer has every right to go home at night after his shift. he doesn't know you from a hole in the ground and as said, many officers have been killed on the traffic stop. What's a cop killer look like? It's ALWAYS within their best interest to make the situation as safe as they possibly can for themselves. Would YOU want to be in their shoes at come into situations like this all the time?
The 2nd A of course has limitations, we might all differ on what they are but they are indeed there, have been longer than either of us have been alive. To try and approach any debate involving the 2nd A from the viewpoint that it has no limitations is an inaccurate base to build a position upon and thus will ultimately collapse the debate itself.
Okay fellas I see where some of my statements may have been a bit too vague or unclear. When I said good guys and bad guys and thugs and gangsters I think I was too vague. When I say good guys, I mean responsible gun owners who abide by local gun laws and keep and use their firearms in appropriate and correct legal ways according to rules of common sense and rightful self defense. When I say bad guys I mean people who use their guns in dangerous, irresponsible, aggressive, unlawful and in a violent manner. I've had guns flashed at me during traffic, pulled on me 3 times at work and one of those 3 times we disarmed the girl who had it, cops came was legal, permit and all.
My earlier post in this thread was because of several conversations I have had with some of my friends who are patrol officers and marshals out here in Nevada. Nevada has become a bit dangerous lately. Because of it's proximity to Cali and LA which has the 3 strike rule alot of felons move out here when they hit 2 strikes to avoid the mandatory incarceration, which is what my LEO friend told me when I asked him about the crime in the news. Also this being such a transient city, on average 3000 move out and 6000 move in every year, there is not really a solid strong community in the city, many people stay for 3-6 years and move on so alot of neighborhoods are strangers. A combination of the above results in alot of officer wariness around here. In the North part of the city which is pretty rough and has alot of immigrant and migrant population an officer got shot point blank in the face during a routine traffic stop. So by numbers and stats vs. the thousands of non-incident traffic stops that's ok, but IMHO that's a pretty dangerous gamble for law enforcement. Alot of those LEO murders mention earlier are not traffic related stops,and a majority of them seem to be off-duty or retired and have to do with personal family matters, so I don't see where that applies.
Most all of my friends own firearms and we all go out to shoot together with family and girlfriends and wives together, I help my friends find the information they need when I convince them to buy their first gun, I am not anti-gun or anti-gun rights. I love guns and own many, I love to shoot them, talk about them, their history, construction, maintenance, I love everything about them. But this state is different from other places I lived in most people here are strangers even if you live on the same block, new people every few months are moving in and moving out. It's not like other city's where you see the same people every day, every year. There are literally thousands of new faces coming and going everyday and locals don't trust strangers, period. Nevada is wild west state, hunting isn't big here, gun ownership is high and that is a good thing, but there are alot of childish idiots and dangerous delinquents from Cali who stay here which results in quite a bit more than average shootings. So my strong feelings on the subject is based on my experiences here in the state I reside, and if I want to comply with an officer's procedures and believe them to be justified, well I believe it's the right thing to do.
By the way if you disagree with me that is ok, it's only my opinion and my thoughts on the OP and my personal opinion. Point out what you will that you don't like or that you don't agree with, don't label me a troll.
. . . results in quite a bit more than average shootings.