Great Book about Jim Cirillo

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I just finished Jim Cirillo's Tales of the Stakeout Squad by Paul Kirchner. It is a fascinating read; in fact, I found it riveting. It's a biography, and there's a lot in it about the man and his family, but there are a lot of things pertinent to us here on ST&T.

We won't be deliberately going into harm's way, or lying in wait for expected armed robbers, or loading our shotguns so that the later shots will be slugs that will not endanger bystanders as we fight outside, but there is a lot that we can learn.

Three examples: How to spot a robber's back-up man in a store; the idea of looking for a backstop before shooting at someone; the extreme rarity of the one shot stop.

There is a lot on handguns and long arms. The latter included the M-1 Carbine and the Ithaca Model 37 shotgun. The Stakeout Unit got rid of double barrels after some bad experiences.

For service handguns, the officers had a choice of Colt Official Police or the Smith and Wesson Model 10 revolvers in .38 Special. Cirillo selected the later due to his preference for its double action trigger pull. I am old enough to have heard police officers opining on the pros and cons of Smiths and Colts back in the day.

Jim carried two four inch Model 10 revolvers on his belt, one cross-draw; one had a custom heavy barrel. That led to Massad Ayoob's coining of the term "New York Reload". For back-up, he carried a Colt Cobra with a hammer shroud, plus a Walther PPK in a belly-band. All that plus extra ammunition.

I doubt very much that you will encounter many persons decked out like that in an open-carry jurisdiction!

Jim later became a proponent of Glocks--always two.

There is quite a bit on bullets, loads and so forth.

Several persons contributed to the comments. Massad Ayoob, Marty Hayes, and a few others come to mind. Jim's relationship with Jeff Cooper is also touched upon.

I recommend it for your bookshelves or e-readers.

Here's a link. I bought the Kindle edition from Amazon.
 
Another endorsement of an excellent book.

The Stakeout Squad thought very highly of the .30 M1 Carbine.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
My mother loves her M-1 cause it fits her size , it is accurate and with those 110 grain HP ammo she ready for bumps in the night .

Mr. Jim is required reading.
 
Have both Jim's books and his no nonsense approach to what works and what doesn't is enlightening by a fella who's actually been there and more than once....
 
I bought one of his books, but I think it was the one called Guns, Bullets and Gunfights: Lessons and Tales of a Modern-Day Gunfighter. Whichever one I got, it had too much cursing for me to keep reading. I really wanted to read it because I respect the man so much, hearing many of his tales through reading Ayoob's books. I'm sure it's just a cultural phenomenon; just not for my taste.

Is there any chance Tales of the Stakeout Squad has less bad language. I would really like to read more about him.
 
Jim later became a proponent of Glocks--always two.

Yup, didn't think the lack of a manual thumb safety was problem.

Perhaps he realized that most of what the NYPD refers to as accidental discharges would be inside a police building while unloading. He may have also realized the percentage of times a thumb safety would prevent an officer from being shot by his own guns is so small that depending on a thumb safety to prevent it is like wearing suspenders because you don't trust your belt to hold your pants up. Read the NYPD annual reports if you want to verify the possibility that Jim Cirrillo knew these things.
 
I'll edit it for your virgin ears..........


When you edit reality of one thing for personal comfort, it distorts perception of all things, and facilitates magical thinking and self-deception. Not a good thing to do.
 
I'll edit it for your virgin ears..........
Oh Believe me. My ears aren't virgin.....I've heard and used worse language. At 49, you could say my ears are tired of hearing them. Back to topic though, there are not many books with this kind of insight. I love the story of one member of the Stakeout Squad favoring the pelvic shot for it's ability to take down an assailant. If you think about the man's career, it's mind boggling. Many LEO's never have to fire their weapon on duty. Cirillo was involved in many shootouts. No doubt he is made of better stuff than I am.
 
No doubt he is made of better stuff than I am.

Don't sell yourself short. Choices and opportunities made him as much of the man he was as anything else. Given the same choices and opportunities, your book may have been the one I have on my bookshelf.:)
 
I have read both of Kirchner's books about Cirillo as well, they are both enlightening and entertaining.

My favorite story was about the mafia-run milk machine... Cirillo said his wife asked him to get milk late one night, and the milk machines were run by the mob. The one he used didn't dispense any milk, which made him so mad he dumped all six rounds from his Cobra into it. Well, the .38s just made big dents in the milk machine, which made him even madder, so he went back home and got his long-barreled .357 and did a drive-by on the milk machine. Milk was leaking everywhere... but the next day the milk machine was working properly.
 
His opinions on bullet performance vs. autopsies he viewed were interesting...seems whatever he tried he kept coming back to the wadcutter design. IMO.....I agree with shot placement, wound channel, blood loss and shock = End Of Threat.
 
I've read Guns, Bullets and Gunfights. The chapter on alternative sighting techniques (if for whatever reason you can't see your sights clearly) was especially interesting, especially when he said his students shot better with sights completely taped over so as to be obscured. I've adopted one of these techniques (what he called a "silhouette point) for my own use.
 
Kudos to Kleanbore!

Ive heard of Jim Cirillo's exploits but never paid much attention to him. However due to this thread I purchased a copy of paul kirchners' book and read it within a day. I couldnt put it down! It now holds a place of honor on my bookshelf next to elmer keiths sixguns and bill jordans' no second place winner.
 
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