Yes it is relevant. A person makes choices on how they feel, think etc. One cannot make decisions based on an incident that hasn't happened yet. The topic at hand is back up guns. I made a statement about a person carrying whatever they want, but that aside from law enforcement duties I don't feel the need to carry more than one firearm.
Back-Up Gun?
- Thread starter Kleanbore
- Start date
- Status
Yes it is relevant. A person makes choices on how they feel, think etc. One cannot make decisions based on an incident that hasn't happened yet. The topic at hand is back up guns. I made a statement about a person carrying whatever they want, but that aside from law enforcement duties I don't feel the need to carry more than one firearm.
cooper's color code: https://sofrep.com/news/the-cooper-color-code-and-threat-assessment/ describes how one feels during a dangerous event that has not happened yet. some choose to carry a bug based on a dangerous event that has not happened yet. some choose not to carry ... yet. to each their own.
stay yellow,
murf
stay yellow,
murf
Doing so is the very essence of risk management.
That one may "feel fine" with one firearm is not relevant to whether one "can go to great lengths to avoid trouble" or whether one "has held someone at gun point more than once" or has " actually had to use their firearms".
Since starting this, I have changed something. Now, I almost always carry a small .380 in a holster that can be accessed with my left hand while I am strapped into the driver's seat of the car without letting an uninvited person in the passenger's seat grab my gun arm or my pistol.
It weighs about 13 oz and is barely noticeable. It is an almost effortless risk mitigation approach.
It weighs about 13 oz and is barely noticeable. It is an almost effortless risk mitigation approach.
MrChicken
Member
Sometimes while driving on a long trip I'll cavalry carry on my left side.
That lets me draw with either hand and it is the most comfortable way to carry while driving that I have found.
I use my owb for the LCP, at the destination I'll either move it over to the 3:30 position or just pocket the holster and gun. That owb also works well as a pocket holster.
That lets me draw with either hand and it is the most comfortable way to carry while driving that I have found.
I use my owb for the LCP, at the destination I'll either move it over to the 3:30 position or just pocket the holster and gun. That owb also works well as a pocket holster.
Pudge
Member
That's interesting, I didn't expect you to be advocating use of the .380 for defense.
Great Scot
Member
I don’t carry a BUG, but I can say that if I did carry a second gun, the LCP Max would be that gun. Reliable, small, light, with great capacity. Add nice sights, decent trigger, and a slide stop, and it’s a no brained BUG. TBT, I carry the LCP Max as a primary, and would carry a NAA .22 magnum as a BUG.
The LCP Max is my choice. I was moved to carry it by the exponential increase in the frequency of car-jackings.
RealGun
Member
Just like a primary gun choice depends on how one chooses to dress, a backup would require consideration of wardrobe. I am more inclined to treat the premise here as, how would I dress if carrying two guns. Basically, I think of how and what to draw if standing versus seated. A carjacking seems to me more likely than a standing confrontation. I avoid high-risk places. When driving, that all leads me to having a backup within reach in an unzipped go bag strapped to the seat next to me, while carrying a primary strong side OWB. Another option is to wear my shoulder holster gun. I do that regularly when in costume en route to or from a cowboy match, stowing it on arrival.
If am outside the car and I do not have a loved one inside, they can have the car.
Good.
I see two issues: accessing the gun while strapped in, and keeping both my firearm and gun arm away from the reach of an uninvited visitor in the passenger seat.
RealGun
Member
We get used to ugly, back guns.
RealGun
Member
Lots of opportunities for hand wringing here.
RealGun
Member
380s I see at the range inevitably jam. It's always something.
RealGun
Member
The bag is strapped in, not the gun, easily accessible through an unzipped top opening and in a pocket holster that will not come out with the gun. The draw would be rather sticky if the bag was not secured. The bag will tumble at a quick stop unless held by a seat belt. Having a passenger moves the bag to the rear between bucket seats, no seat belt when riding on the floor hump. That's fine with me while reaching my sidearm quickly is almost out of the question. There is no way to be ready for any possibility. You just don't leave yourself effectively unarmed.
You missed me.
My point was, should a car-jacker enter the car and occupy the passenger seat while I am strapped in, I want to carry a firearm that he cannot easily reach, and I want to handle it with my left hand--without releasing the harness.
RealGun
Member
Okay, since I usually wear cargo pants, I will try that gun, a J-Frame 38 snub clone by Interarms Rossi, in my left thigh pocket, which I will not be able to shoot confidently without passing to my right hand nor use to defend the driver's side assault. One of those tunnel mounted holsters on my right is starting to look appealing to me, while offering nothing to shoot with my left hand. Do I need two car bugs, or maybe use the tunnel holster to transfer my primary to it while driving, bug in my left pocket?
That's where I carry the backup.
At that distance? Would that not be tantamount to handing the gun to the invader?
wcwhitey
Member
- Joined
- Dec 30, 2006
- Messages
- 2,814
I have been looking for it in writing but cannot find it. I haven’t carried a back up since I retired but I am a big fan. I now carry with a permit not a badge. The reason for this is that I was told (maybe wrongfully) that what I carry is my business but I can only carry 1 gun at a time. Wondering if anyone else has been told this during their CCW class. I am sure states vary widely.
It strikes me that most people do who do not stay informed about subjects RE: self preservation would likely find the idea of a civilian carrying two handguns strange and maybe extreme. Most people not carry at all. I remember my initial reaction to discussions about carrying a pistol in the house.
I decided to carry a second gun only after I realized that the potential need to produce a firearm does not begin an end with a classic Tueller situation. I realized how vulnerable one could be while in the car--not in terms of having to shoot from it, but in terms of dealing with someone who has popped in with me.
People do seem to understand that thought process very well indeed.
I decided to carry a second gun only after I realized that the potential need to produce a firearm does not begin an end with a classic Tueller situation. I realized how vulnerable one could be while in the car--not in terms of having to shoot from it, but in terms of dealing with someone who has popped in with me.
People do seem to understand that thought process very well indeed.
Tru in a few jurisdictions,
wcwhitey
Member
- Joined
- Dec 30, 2006
- Messages
- 2,814
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
- Locked