rkh
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Cheap scope rings with no cross-lug to prevent forward travel under recoil.
ohh.. the frustration crappy rings have caused me.
ohh.. the frustration crappy rings have caused me.
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nalioth
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Florida Gun Works
Link goes to Google where most of the hits contain the word "ripoff" "scam artist", etc. For extra fun, visit the Florida BBB page and look them up.
bogie
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Cross lug? What's a cross lug?
I don't think any of my better rings have anything called a cross lug on 'em.
And they all seem to hold point of aim just fine.
Oh, and I bought a Kel-Tec .380 today... Cute!
IMHO, the thing to avoid the most are the low end "cleaning kits." Those things will tear up a perfectly good barrel in a hurry.
Oh, and the Tipton rods don't last very well... Go with Pro-Shot or Dewey...
M1 Shooter
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My experiences have been a little different than the original poster's.
American Ammo: My dealer had some of this a few years ago. I bought 100 rounds of 9mm FMJ and 100 rounds of .45 ACP FMJ to try it out since it was priced good. It ran just fine in my guns, no jams of any kind. I didn't test accuracy since I was just plinking, but I hit more often than not. I also didn't reload the brass since I wasn't a reloader at that time, so I can't comment on whether the brass is good for reloading or not. My dealer stopped selling it just a short time later because of bad reports about this ammo. Admittedly, 200 rounds is not a very big sample, so maybe I just got lucky and had a good lot, who knows. All I know is the American Ammo I tried ran just fine in my guns.
USA Mags: I had several of these for a Mini-30 back before the '94 AWB. They all ran flawlessly. I never had a problem with them. I sold the rifle with the mags to a friend, and they all ran fine for him as well. He then traded the rifle to a dealer for something else because he wanted a rifle with more accuracy than the Mini-30. Again, maybe I just got lucky and had a few good mags out of the thousands of bad ones I'm always hearing about.
Pro-Mags: I had a few Pro-Mags for a SIG P229 and a Browning Hi-Power. They all worked fine, no issues at all. I only used them as range mags, but they always worked. Lucky again perhaps?
Triple K mags: I have no experience with these. I've avoided them because of the bad reports. Maybe I should try a couple to see if my luck holds out.
Kel-Tec P32: I don't own one personally, but a friend's wife has four of them, all in different colors. She swears by them, and said she's never had a problem with them. I fired one of them and it ran perfectly. I hear far more good about these than bad. YMMV
Intratec TEC-9 and TEC-22: Again, I have never owned one personally, but a friend of mine bought one of each back before the '94 AWB. He bought them strictly for fun guns, plinkers, range toys, whatever you want to call them. They both work fine. Accuracy isn't very good, but they are reliable. If you refer to them as junk because of the inaccuracy, well that's fine, but say so, because the examples I fired aren't accurate, but they work. Besides, they weren't being marketed as target guns anyway, and they are fun to plink with.
Taurus PT-22: no experience so I can't comment. In fact I have no personal experience with any Taurus product other than handling them in the gun shop.
"Cheap guns": A friend of mine had a Davis P-380. It was the only gun he had, and the only gun he could afford at the time. I was in a similar situation, but I got a good deal on a used S&W M10 .38 revolver to use for self defense.
Anyway, that little Davis, which cost him $50 at a pawn shop, functioned perfectly with ball ammo. It would choke on hollowpoints, but ran fine with ball. It wasn't the easiest gun to shoot, sights were small, trigger pull was terrible, and the low slide would cut up our hands when it cycled, but it was fully capable of putting all its shots into a 6" circle out to about 25 feet. Not target accuracy, but it should work for self defense purposes. He bought his wife a Jennings .22 pistol for $79, and it ran great with CCI Mini-Mags and Stingers. It also wasn't very accurate, but adequate for close range defense.
We are both in better situations now, but at the time we were happy to have what we had, and it sure beat having nothing at all for defense. I was lucky I found that good deal on that used M10, but it cost me as much as what he paid for the Davis .380 and Jennings .22 combined. If I was arming two people as he was, I may have done the same thing he did and buy two cheaper guns instead of the one revolver I did buy. We didn't shoot much back then since we were always broke, but I'd say we ran about one box (50 rds) through each of our guns about every other month. Not a lot of shooting, but the little Davis and Jennings autos seemed to hold up just fine. By the time he traded the Davis in on a better gun, he had probably fired about 500 rounds through it. The interesting thing was he got $50 for it in the trade, exactly how much he paid for it. I thought that was pretty good since I thought for sure he'd get no more than $20 for it.
His wife still has the Jennings, but she no longer uses it for defense, she's the one who has the four Kel-Tec P-32's!
I have no experience with the other "cheap guns" so I can't comment on them.
Maybe I've just been lucky, but I've never actually had a "bad" gun, and I've owned more than 60 guns, never more than about a dozen at once though. All the guns I've had were all pretty good, some excellent, but none truly what I would call "bad" or "junk". Many have been sold when I needed some cash, or traded when I saw another gun I wanted more but didn't have the cash for. Many I wish I still had, but others I don't really miss just because they didn't suit me for one reason or another, or I just wasn't using them which is why they were sold or traded in the first place. Oh well.
As always......YMMV
American Ammo: My dealer had some of this a few years ago. I bought 100 rounds of 9mm FMJ and 100 rounds of .45 ACP FMJ to try it out since it was priced good. It ran just fine in my guns, no jams of any kind. I didn't test accuracy since I was just plinking, but I hit more often than not. I also didn't reload the brass since I wasn't a reloader at that time, so I can't comment on whether the brass is good for reloading or not. My dealer stopped selling it just a short time later because of bad reports about this ammo. Admittedly, 200 rounds is not a very big sample, so maybe I just got lucky and had a good lot, who knows. All I know is the American Ammo I tried ran just fine in my guns.
USA Mags: I had several of these for a Mini-30 back before the '94 AWB. They all ran flawlessly. I never had a problem with them. I sold the rifle with the mags to a friend, and they all ran fine for him as well. He then traded the rifle to a dealer for something else because he wanted a rifle with more accuracy than the Mini-30. Again, maybe I just got lucky and had a few good mags out of the thousands of bad ones I'm always hearing about.
Pro-Mags: I had a few Pro-Mags for a SIG P229 and a Browning Hi-Power. They all worked fine, no issues at all. I only used them as range mags, but they always worked. Lucky again perhaps?
Triple K mags: I have no experience with these. I've avoided them because of the bad reports. Maybe I should try a couple to see if my luck holds out.
Kel-Tec P32: I don't own one personally, but a friend's wife has four of them, all in different colors. She swears by them, and said she's never had a problem with them. I fired one of them and it ran perfectly. I hear far more good about these than bad. YMMV
Intratec TEC-9 and TEC-22: Again, I have never owned one personally, but a friend of mine bought one of each back before the '94 AWB. He bought them strictly for fun guns, plinkers, range toys, whatever you want to call them. They both work fine. Accuracy isn't very good, but they are reliable. If you refer to them as junk because of the inaccuracy, well that's fine, but say so, because the examples I fired aren't accurate, but they work. Besides, they weren't being marketed as target guns anyway, and they are fun to plink with.
Taurus PT-22: no experience so I can't comment. In fact I have no personal experience with any Taurus product other than handling them in the gun shop.
"Cheap guns": A friend of mine had a Davis P-380. It was the only gun he had, and the only gun he could afford at the time. I was in a similar situation, but I got a good deal on a used S&W M10 .38 revolver to use for self defense.
Anyway, that little Davis, which cost him $50 at a pawn shop, functioned perfectly with ball ammo. It would choke on hollowpoints, but ran fine with ball. It wasn't the easiest gun to shoot, sights were small, trigger pull was terrible, and the low slide would cut up our hands when it cycled, but it was fully capable of putting all its shots into a 6" circle out to about 25 feet. Not target accuracy, but it should work for self defense purposes. He bought his wife a Jennings .22 pistol for $79, and it ran great with CCI Mini-Mags and Stingers. It also wasn't very accurate, but adequate for close range defense.
We are both in better situations now, but at the time we were happy to have what we had, and it sure beat having nothing at all for defense. I was lucky I found that good deal on that used M10, but it cost me as much as what he paid for the Davis .380 and Jennings .22 combined. If I was arming two people as he was, I may have done the same thing he did and buy two cheaper guns instead of the one revolver I did buy. We didn't shoot much back then since we were always broke, but I'd say we ran about one box (50 rds) through each of our guns about every other month. Not a lot of shooting, but the little Davis and Jennings autos seemed to hold up just fine. By the time he traded the Davis in on a better gun, he had probably fired about 500 rounds through it. The interesting thing was he got $50 for it in the trade, exactly how much he paid for it. I thought that was pretty good since I thought for sure he'd get no more than $20 for it.
His wife still has the Jennings, but she no longer uses it for defense, she's the one who has the four Kel-Tec P-32's!
I have no experience with the other "cheap guns" so I can't comment on them.
Maybe I've just been lucky, but I've never actually had a "bad" gun, and I've owned more than 60 guns, never more than about a dozen at once though. All the guns I've had were all pretty good, some excellent, but none truly what I would call "bad" or "junk". Many have been sold when I needed some cash, or traded when I saw another gun I wanted more but didn't have the cash for. Many I wish I still had, but others I don't really miss just because they didn't suit me for one reason or another, or I just wasn't using them which is why they were sold or traded in the first place. Oh well.
As always......YMMV
Cheap cleaning kits are atrocious. Generally anything that claims to do everything actually does quite well at doing nothing.
Many of the .22 LR pistols have poor reputations. I have been told that the Sig Mosquito is worse than the Walther P-22. My P-22 has been back to S&W for reliability issues, and it still consistently locks the slide back on the ninth round.
Cheap scope rings are an issue as are cheap scopes.
I have never tried the Kel-Tec pistols, but my SU-16 is a jam-o-matic.
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Many of the .22 LR pistols have poor reputations. I have been told that the Sig Mosquito is worse than the Walther P-22. My P-22 has been back to S&W for reliability issues, and it still consistently locks the slide back on the ninth round.
Cheap scope rings are an issue as are cheap scopes.
I have never tried the Kel-Tec pistols, but my SU-16 is a jam-o-matic.
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^so whats a decent cleaning kit? I got a pretty cheap one at walmart cuz i didnt really know any better. it seems to work fine though. I bought a more coarse steel brush to get residue off the cylinder and a silicone cloth. the cheap kit seems to do what its supposed to though, dont think i paid no more than 10 bucks for it
ArfinGreebly
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My SU-16 eats everything.
Eats stuff that makes Bushmaster and Armalite choke.
Really doesn't care who made it, who reloaded it, whatever.
Got dents in shells? No sweat. Got funny shoulders? Bring it. Not sure if it's .223 or 5.56? Not to worry, just load up and shoot.
And it hits where I point it.
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Gun brands kinda drag the thread away from the original title.
Simply refer to Tamara's "all guns suck" quote and let's get on with "things you shouldn't buy for your gun."
That's where the signal is.
Everything else is noise.
See?
My SU-16 eats everything.
Eats stuff that makes Bushmaster and Armalite choke.
Really doesn't care who made it, who reloaded it, whatever.
Got dents in shells? No sweat. Got funny shoulders? Bring it. Not sure if it's .223 or 5.56? Not to worry, just load up and shoot.
And it hits where I point it.
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Gun brands kinda drag the thread away from the original title.
Simply refer to Tamara's "all guns suck" quote and let's get on with "things you shouldn't buy for your gun."
That's where the signal is.
Everything else is noise.
bogie
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THROW THAT STEEL BRUSH AWAY!!!
You're scratching your cylinder walls and barrel.
Use plenty of solvent, and a bronze brush. The brushes are DISPOSABLE. You are not supposed to hand them down to your children.
You're scratching your cylinder walls and barrel.
Use plenty of solvent, and a bronze brush. The brushes are DISPOSABLE. You are not supposed to hand them down to your children.
mjb
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Taurus model 82 revolver .38 Spl. The only revolver I know that jams.
bogie
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Oh, and for cleaning kits...
Pro-Shot or Dewey rod.
Rags you steal from your ol' lady. (possibly returned...)
Shallow pan you steal from your ol' lady. (possibly returned...)
Toothbrush that you steal from your ol' lady. (possibly returned...)
Bronze brushes.
Patch jag (push through, not "push/pull" type).
Butch's Bore Shine.
King-size white sheet from the guest linen closet for those "I know springs are gonna go everywhere" moments.
Pro-Shot or Dewey rod.
Rags you steal from your ol' lady. (possibly returned...)
Shallow pan you steal from your ol' lady. (possibly returned...)
Toothbrush that you steal from your ol' lady. (possibly returned...)
Bronze brushes.
Patch jag (push through, not "push/pull" type).
Butch's Bore Shine.
King-size white sheet from the guest linen closet for those "I know springs are gonna go everywhere" moments.
ArfinGreebly
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Springs
If I knew that the springs were gonna fly, I'd probably make myself a primitive "glove box" out of a cardboard box -- couple holes for my hands -- with a piece of 1 mil sheet (heck, even a thin sheet of lexan/polycarb) over the top so I could see what I was doing.
If it goes "sproing" then at least it stays in the box.
Y'know . . .
If I knew that the springs were gonna fly, I'd probably make myself a primitive "glove box" out of a cardboard box -- couple holes for my hands -- with a piece of 1 mil sheet (heck, even a thin sheet of lexan/polycarb) over the top so I could see what I was doing.
If it goes "sproing" then at least it stays in the box.
P. Plainsman
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This thread could be of use. More likely to be useful if people stick to problematic gun products -- leave flaming bad guns for another thread.
I've read consistently bad reports here about Maxfire "soft" speedloaders for revolvers. Not secure; hard to use, etc. No first-hand experience with 'em. Not sure I've even seen one.
I stick with good old HKS speedloaders. Safarilands also have their strengths. If you want a "soft" device for carrying a revolver reload, use a Bianchi speed strip. Good product. Flat -- fits in your back pocket.
I've read consistently bad reports here about Maxfire "soft" speedloaders for revolvers. Not secure; hard to use, etc. No first-hand experience with 'em. Not sure I've even seen one.
I stick with good old HKS speedloaders. Safarilands also have their strengths. If you want a "soft" device for carrying a revolver reload, use a Bianchi speed strip. Good product. Flat -- fits in your back pocket.
Dr. Peter Venkman
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I've never used them but it seems that Triple K mags are a strike out.
Zen21Tao
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Anything in 9mm or any AK. 
chipperi
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Top of my crap pile are
1 USA Mags (I have some pro mag for my glock and they work fine)
2 Remington bulk pack 22lr ammo...fails to fire
3 those stupid clip on bi pods for the AR
4 North American arms fold up .22 *** are you going to hit with that thing?
5 the bulk pack of South African 5.56 surplus I bought not realizing it is corrosive...I hate cleaning as soon as I shoot.
6 Pink or any other unnatural colored guns...nuf said
7 Holsters made of anything other than leather.
Now someone had mentioned the 10/22, well after a fluted ss bull barrel, timmney trigger, Fagen LH thumbhole stock, and a 3-9x40 Simmons scope, my wife will drive finishing nails at 100 yds. Sucks shes a south paw the stock is no good for me.
1 USA Mags (I have some pro mag for my glock and they work fine)
2 Remington bulk pack 22lr ammo...fails to fire
3 those stupid clip on bi pods for the AR
4 North American arms fold up .22 *** are you going to hit with that thing?
5 the bulk pack of South African 5.56 surplus I bought not realizing it is corrosive...I hate cleaning as soon as I shoot.
6 Pink or any other unnatural colored guns...nuf said
7 Holsters made of anything other than leather.
Now someone had mentioned the 10/22, well after a fluted ss bull barrel, timmney trigger, Fagen LH thumbhole stock, and a 3-9x40 Simmons scope, my wife will drive finishing nails at 100 yds. Sucks shes a south paw the stock is no good for me.
atblis
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Hmm
I think the original intent of this thread was things that are just crappy products (perhaps gimmicky), that are pretty much universally known to avoid except to a newb.
Non leather holster is more of a personal preference. There are good holsters that are made out of things other than leather.
Keltecs have provided some with good service
etc.
So far the only things that truly fit into the original intent
American Ammunition
Extreme Shock ammo
RG pistols
Hesse/Vulcan
Pro Magazines
USA Magazines
Cheap Walmart Cleaning rods
I'd love to put the Walther P22 on that list, but apparently some have them and like them.
I think the original intent of this thread was things that are just crappy products (perhaps gimmicky), that are pretty much universally known to avoid except to a newb.
Non leather holster is more of a personal preference. There are good holsters that are made out of things other than leather.
Keltecs have provided some with good service
etc.
So far the only things that truly fit into the original intent
American Ammunition
Extreme Shock ammo
RG pistols
Hesse/Vulcan
Pro Magazines
USA Magazines
Cheap Walmart Cleaning rods
I'd love to put the Walther P22 on that list, but apparently some have them and like them.
Ohio Rifleman
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This is weird...just about all I've put through my 10/22 is Remington Thunderbolt. And I have not had ONE failure to fire. Not ONE. Out of maybe a thousand rounds, not a single failure to fire.
Deanimator
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Their High Standard magazines are certainly crap. The feed lips on High Standard mags are made to be adjusted for optimum feeding. The feed lips on the Triple K mags won't stay where you bend them. Old and new actual High Standard magazines work like a charm.
jbauch357
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I can feel the different powder charges from one round to another when shooting American Eagle .22lr out of my 10/22, and have also had feeding issues with that ammo. I know every auto-loader is different so that may just be ammo that mine doesn't like, but I've never had a single problem with the Remington golden bullets.
wally
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I've one Triple K mag -- for a Star BS 9mm. DId not work out of the box, but I was able to bend the feed lips to get it to feed FMJ. I doubt I'll buy any more Triple K.
Pro-Mag, I've had more that didn't work than did, but the 7 and 8 rounders I got for my Kahr CW9 have all been 100%. Kahr gouges big-time on their mags so I tried the Pro-Mags from Midway since they have a great return policy and I was surprised they worked great.
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