...if once the sale is consummated, the info would then be required to be destroyed,...
The anti-gun cult is nothing BUT deception.
As I've said many times before, "I can't make them stop lying, but they can't make me believe them either."
buck460XVR said:I doubt very much that UBCs will stop the illegal use of firearms to any great degree or keep them out of the hands of criminals.
Again, I don't agree with mandatory UBCs or any of the other possible scenarios that many think would go along with them.
But as I said before, background checks are done for reasons other than buying a firearm. Take out a loan, try to rent an apartment, apply for a job in a school, for the government or anywhere around minor children. It is a tool that is accepted as a norm for the majority of Americans, even tho it's effectiveness is not shown to be 100% effective. It's no wonder so many folks think of it as a non-issue.
She's being lied TO, and ignorantly repeating those lies to other ignorant people.You really think the soccer mom that says all she wants is for her 3rd grader to be safe at school is lying to us?
Here's the fallacy of the gun show loop hole.
Look at every one of the mass shooting in the last few years.
Every shooter would have passed a background check.
Yeah they want your guns
AFS
I'm still waiting for him to offer his condolences to the family of a young woman murdered by an illegal alien, illegally allowed to stay here in a "sanctuary city", using a GOVERNMENT OWNED gun.I'm still waiting for Obama to get in front of the cameras and show his pain about the recent travesty where a woman ran over a whole lot of people.
You admit they are worthless, yet you are 'for' them because 'background checks' are used in other facets of life...
ADDING from later in thread:
Then exactly what are you saying here:
If I am misunderstanding your position or mischaracterizing it in the first quote, I apologize...
Just trying to understand your position...
But of course she's no more driving this thing than a housewife in Darmstadt was driving Babi Yar.
JUST voting DOESN'T.Chest beating and posturing on internet forums doesn't change laws or the priorities of our elected officials, voting does.
I point out the fact that background checks are done for many other purposes other than firearm purposes and because of this, some folks seem to think they should work for firearm purchases. The point? Just because I don't believe in UBCs for firearm purchases, doesn't mean I don't understand why some folks do, even if their thinking is incorrect. Doesn't automatically make them liars, and the facts show us it doesn't automatically make them anti-gun....just pro-UBC.
That's the entire PURPOSE of sham "universal background checks". They're INTENDED to fail, whereupon REGISTRATION will be "needed" to "fix" them.If UBC are required will 100% gun registration be passed to enforce it?[the only way it can work.]
No one should... unless they have "concerns" about bans and confiscation.Do you have any concerns about 100% gun registration?
I respectfully disagree. I don't think it's quite the slam dunk that you apparently do. With that said, however, fending them off is going to mean that we have to take the fight to the AG crowd. IMHO, this is particularly true in the social media arena. Social media, from what I can see, is disproportionately populated by the young, urban, and liberal crowds, which tend to have AG leanings. (Not that I've done any kind of statistical research on that. Just my observations/opinions.)CoalTrain49 said:Like I said, depending on where you live, a UBC is coming. It's just a matter of time. When you have as many people as we do that want them, you can bet that more will come. It's a slam dunk for the AG crowd with that much support. They spent 10 million dollars in WA to get one passed here last year and the gun owners helped them pass it. We have people right here on this forum that support UBC's and registration. Seems pretty much inevitable to me.
The only thing that might be advisable here is to consider what kind of UBC you get. Do you target everyone that seeks care from a mental health professional? Do you retain the records so the FBI can build a database with names, addresses and firearms? They would like to do both. Obama has been trying to repeal the Tiahrt amendment ever since it became law.
Just a few things to think about.
It isn't coming to Ohio, now or any time soon. Ohio isn't Washington.Like I said, depending on where you live, a UBC is coming.
"In favor" of WHAT???Here's a recent poll of randomly selected voters. Even Republicans are in favor by an overwhelming percentage.
How where the participates polled? How many where polled. Common sense should tell you that something doesn't pass the smell test with that one.
You know you're not supposed to ask those kinds of questions.How where the participates polled? How many where polled. Common sense should tell you that something doesn't pass the smell test with that one.
How where the participates polled? How many where polled. Common sense should tell you that something doesn't pass the smell test with that one.
Support goes WAY down when people know what's REALLY being planned.
Where are they going to get the truth? MSNBC?The above chart shows the polling from the previous two years besides this years. The percentage of those in favor of UBCs has actually gone up over the years. Is the message not getting out or is the wrong argument being implemented. Surprising that 9 out of 10 folks are being convinced by lies year after year.
Some interesting points here, but I would like to keep this on these subjects.
If UBC are required will 100% gun registration be passed to enforce it?[the only way it can work.]
Do you have any concerns about 100% gun registration?
Some of you don't seem to mind the idea of registration.
Maybe you missed it. Look again. It's in bold blue print at the top of the page. No smell test needed.
1574 registered voters....nationwide.
The percentage of those in favor of UBCs has actually gone up over the years.