mondocomputerman
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I would be proud to shoot an SKS at a range. Don't worry about what they think. Like what was said before, outshoot them and then see if they talk.
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White Horseradish
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That's exactly what it is. Saiga is a Russian brand of long guns, all based on the AK. They got shotguns in several gauges and rifles of different calibers.
Bravo11
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Don't worry about what people say. If your having fun shooting(and not hurting anyone) thats all that matters. I have an SKS and I love shooting it. I thought about putting the synthetic stock and adding a red-dot but I decided against it. Its fun the way it is and very accurate at 100 yds. The ammo is cheap. I shoot Wolf because my SKS prefers commie cuisine.
I also have a Chuck Daly that gets bad looks from the fancy 1911 crowd but its accurate at 25 yds and it feeds well.
I also have a Chuck Daly that gets bad looks from the fancy 1911 crowd but its accurate at 25 yds and it feeds well.
Zundfolge
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A Saiga 12 IS an AK only chambered in 12ga.
They are made in the same plant in Russia that makes (or is it made?) the Soviet Military AKs (they also make a nice AK as well).
This is the Saiga 12 as you buy it now in the US
Here it is made all evil
They are made in the same plant in Russia that makes (or is it made?) the Soviet Military AKs (they also make a nice AK as well).
This is the Saiga 12 as you buy it now in the US
Here it is made all evil
LynnMassGuy
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At the range I am strictly, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anthing." I wish some of the old coots at the range would do the same.
Hey, there's nothing wrong with any gun. Just as long as you like shooting it and enjoy it and it suits your needs. Some guns are nicer than others of course, but who cares, if you like yours. Nothing wrong with nice guns either. It's just a fact of life that some people have to try to put others down or put down others stuff in order to make themselves feel good or compensate for their own feelings of inadequacy. Ignore them and just be satisfied and happy with yours and your life.
J Miller
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When I was first into shooting, PRE-1968, I had a 1906 vintage Winchester 1894 SRC in 30 WCF. My mother insisted I attend a gun safety course, and they required you to bring your gun in for range day towards the end of the course.
I did, and the instructor, an old, rotund, arrogent, know it all, worked me up one end and down the other about how my gun was a piece of junk and wasn't worth the money for a box of shells.
Well, I passed the course, somehow, and I passed the shooting parts of it, WITH the old 94, somehow. I've still got the certificate, somewhere.
But my confidence in myself and my carbine was destroyed. I was too young to know or understand about people and their opinions.
I had replaced the rear sight, the saddle ring, a few screws, and the carrier spring. I had even made a custom 90* screwdriver to tighten up the cartridge guide screws.
I had done this myself, without help from anybody except what I read in the gun mags and catalogs.
So even at 15 I wasn't a know nothing. Even with that, this old jerks comments corrupted my feelings for my 94 and I traded it off.
I have since found out that this carbine was not a normal run of the mill 1894, and even in it's well worn shape was desireable to those who know.
And I have learned one big lesson. IGNORE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY, unless they really are knowledgable people, that you have searched out in order to get specific information.
Turn you back on them if you can, but if they don't get the hint, and if you have to say something, then make them understand that their comments and opinions are neither desired nor solicited.
Just remember, opinions are like @$$holes, everybody has them, and some of them STINK!
Joe
I did, and the instructor, an old, rotund, arrogent, know it all, worked me up one end and down the other about how my gun was a piece of junk and wasn't worth the money for a box of shells.
Well, I passed the course, somehow, and I passed the shooting parts of it, WITH the old 94, somehow. I've still got the certificate, somewhere.
But my confidence in myself and my carbine was destroyed. I was too young to know or understand about people and their opinions.
I had replaced the rear sight, the saddle ring, a few screws, and the carrier spring. I had even made a custom 90* screwdriver to tighten up the cartridge guide screws.
I had done this myself, without help from anybody except what I read in the gun mags and catalogs.
So even at 15 I wasn't a know nothing. Even with that, this old jerks comments corrupted my feelings for my 94 and I traded it off.
I have since found out that this carbine was not a normal run of the mill 1894, and even in it's well worn shape was desireable to those who know.
And I have learned one big lesson. IGNORE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY, unless they really are knowledgable people, that you have searched out in order to get specific information.
Turn you back on them if you can, but if they don't get the hint, and if you have to say something, then make them understand that their comments and opinions are neither desired nor solicited.
Just remember, opinions are like @$$holes, everybody has them, and some of them STINK!
Joe
CentralTexas
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Get used to-
A Glock? Thay suck you need a 1911. A Colt? Thay suck you need a Springfield/Kimber? A Springfield/Kimber? They suck you need a Wilson/Baer yadda yadda....
Seems to be part of the ritual of gun folks....
A Glock? Thay suck you need a 1911. A Colt? Thay suck you need a Springfield/Kimber? A Springfield/Kimber? They suck you need a Wilson/Baer yadda yadda....
Seems to be part of the ritual of gun folks....
My cousin's an HK snob (USC, SL8-1, USP, etc), he's always ragging on me at the range for my AR15s and 1911s about how they arent as accurate or useable for self-defense (due to reading too much Ayoob) as his HKs.
But turn-about is allowed, I snicker every time his great "built on HK contract machinery, its the same as a real MP5 etc etc" Bobcat BW5 jams.
Kharn
But turn-about is allowed, I snicker every time his great "built on HK contract machinery, its the same as a real MP5 etc etc" Bobcat BW5 jams.
Kharn
Zundfolge
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Unless you're talking about the dollar value of a vintage gun, I'd say EVEN IF they are really knowledgeable people ... When Wayne Novak saw the first Steyr M series at the SHOT show several years ago his response was something like "What f-ing idiot designed these sights!?"
Well Mr. Novak can shine my shoes for all I care ... I love the triangle/trapezoid sights on my Steyr and there's plenty of other "knowledgeable people" out there who agree with me.
ryoushi
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Ain't it the truth? Sorry you bumped into a loudmouth, there's one or two in every crowd. Welcome to the club!!
Range Ninja
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I've owned SKS's in the past. There are some that look down on them, but who cares what some misinformed, loudmouth, jack ass has to say? I usually just tell people like that to go suck on some hairy monkey balls.
Wolfy
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I don't care what you shoot you are a member of the gun community that is all that counts. I hear it from my FFL he doesn't sell S&W's even though they are a favorite of mine (revolvers and pistols) he deals mostly H&K, Glock, Sig you get the idea. He respects my opinions, and my money, on S&W's and will order me whatever I want at prices no other dealer matches. Even though we have different opinions he got me to buy a Glock 30. He made me an offer I can't refuse and before I bought it I thought why would any one want one? Well now I know what a great design.
The message even I had a preconceived notion of the tupperware gun that I realized was based on ignorance.
The message even I had a preconceived notion of the tupperware gun that I realized was based on ignorance.
Funny but from reading his articles I belive that Ayoob prefers a 1911 as his main handgun.
He also as an article in backhome on cheap guns saying that they are just as good as the more expensive ones. HKs may be good but they are way too expensive for what you get.
Put it this way, if you are puting that togather an arsenal for SHTF a SKS and a Star BM 9 or Makarov with plently of ammo(1000 rns at least) for both will cost around ~$500. A little more you might even be able to squese a .22 rifle and handgun w/ ammo in there as well.
Always get what you can afford.
-Bill
BryanP
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I'm reminded of an old Eddie Murphy comedy routine from back in the 80's when he was Really Big and his act was much dirtier than his current squeaky-clean Disney-esque image. (Tell Art's Grammaw to calm herself, I'm not going to say anything bad)
He was talking about receiving a phone call from Bill Cosby who gave him grief over being too dirty. This really upset Eddie because he had always idolized Bill. He got off the phone and called Richard Pryor and Pryor's comment was this:
"Do the people laugh when you say what you say?"
"Yes."
"Do you get paid?"
"Yes."
"Then tell Bill I said have a Coke and a smile and ****!"
Translated to this situation -
"Do your guns function properly?"
"Yes."
"Do you like them?"
"Yes."
"Do they throw lead downrange in a consistant and accurate manner?"
"Yes."
"Then tell Mr. Gunsnob to take his attitude and stuff it."
He was talking about receiving a phone call from Bill Cosby who gave him grief over being too dirty. This really upset Eddie because he had always idolized Bill. He got off the phone and called Richard Pryor and Pryor's comment was this:
"Do the people laugh when you say what you say?"
"Yes."
"Do you get paid?"
"Yes."
"Then tell Bill I said have a Coke and a smile and ****!"
Translated to this situation -
"Do your guns function properly?"
"Yes."
"Do you like them?"
"Yes."
"Do they throw lead downrange in a consistant and accurate manner?"
"Yes."
"Then tell Mr. Gunsnob to take his attitude and stuff it."
Strings
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>After September I desperately want to get a Saiga 12 ... put regular AK furniture on it and head out to the trap/skeet range<
I had the same thought. However, I'd prefer one of those semi 12s that mounts under the barrel of an AR...
I had the same thought. However, I'd prefer one of those semi 12s that mounts under the barrel of an AR...
GigaBuist
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I'm pretty lucky I guess. Most of the guns at my range are "good 'ole boys" that shoot trap and skeet all day long. The rifle range is usually just a guy and his son with a .22LR rifle or somebody out there with a proper bolt-action hunting rifle where they'll run through 10-20 rounds in a sitting sighting it in. I kind of stand out with Glocks, AKs, AR-15s, etc.
I showed up one day to find a rather large booming gun out there. Just one guy. I got my Mosin Nagant m44 out and he asks (a ways off) "Is that an '03?" -- "Nope Mosin Nagant" He's curious, so take a look at it. Says it's pretty nice, doesn't know much about them. If there was anybody that could have "put me down" it would have been this guy.
He returned to playing with his M82A1 that he had just got
One day I'm out there with an AK and a gent comes up with a front stuffer. He's in his 60's, I'm 24. I fire off 10 rounds, he fires off 1, we check targets. Rinse and repeat a few times. Eventually he wanders over to my 75 yard target (He's going out to 100 or 125 -- I forget) and looks at mine. I'm expecting a comment about my groups as it's about 12" wide with a few flyers. I'm no marksman.
He looks at me and says, "Well, good enough to kill a man!" Smiles and keeps walking to his target. Didn't see that coming
I wanders over to some guys obviously practicing with their CCW equipment one day. I was off playing with rifles and the pistol range shares with the rifle range. I spotted a Keltec, so I asked him if it was a Keltec. Yep, a P32. I asked him if he liked it - sure enough he did. I told him I had the P3AT myself. He asked if I liked it and I said nope -- mine's not running quite right. Failes to eject. He looked hurt a bit. Told him I thought they were great pieces though, and I know KT will make it right if I send it in to them. He even offered to let me shoot a mag - I declined. Asked him how he carried it and he said in a Smart Carry holster. Man -- talk about deep concealment! A p32 in a smart holster.
A very diverse crowd, that's for sure -- but to them (and me) and gun on the range in the hands of a US Citizen is a good gun. God Bless America
I showed up one day to find a rather large booming gun out there. Just one guy. I got my Mosin Nagant m44 out and he asks (a ways off) "Is that an '03?" -- "Nope Mosin Nagant" He's curious, so take a look at it. Says it's pretty nice, doesn't know much about them. If there was anybody that could have "put me down" it would have been this guy.
He returned to playing with his M82A1 that he had just got
One day I'm out there with an AK and a gent comes up with a front stuffer. He's in his 60's, I'm 24. I fire off 10 rounds, he fires off 1, we check targets. Rinse and repeat a few times. Eventually he wanders over to my 75 yard target (He's going out to 100 or 125 -- I forget) and looks at mine. I'm expecting a comment about my groups as it's about 12" wide with a few flyers. I'm no marksman.
He looks at me and says, "Well, good enough to kill a man!" Smiles and keeps walking to his target. Didn't see that coming
I wanders over to some guys obviously practicing with their CCW equipment one day. I was off playing with rifles and the pistol range shares with the rifle range. I spotted a Keltec, so I asked him if it was a Keltec. Yep, a P32. I asked him if he liked it - sure enough he did. I told him I had the P3AT myself. He asked if I liked it and I said nope -- mine's not running quite right. Failes to eject. He looked hurt a bit. Told him I thought they were great pieces though, and I know KT will make it right if I send it in to them. He even offered to let me shoot a mag - I declined. Asked him how he carried it and he said in a Smart Carry holster. Man -- talk about deep concealment! A p32 in a smart holster.
A very diverse crowd, that's for sure -- but to them (and me) and gun on the range in the hands of a US Citizen is a good gun. God Bless America
Strings
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I KNOW I've told this story here before. And y'all can get Bedlamite to corraborate...
At the Fondy gunshow. Guy has a replica of some old break-open BP rifle. Seller was an OLD guy: looked about 65-70. I'm in my late 20s, look early 20s (long hair, earrings, leather jacket). Bedlamite and another older guy are standing to my right. I ask if I can take a look at the piece, and pop it open (he started to explain how, but it was absolutely obvious). I handle it a few minutes, then look across the table...
me: "This's one o' them new-fangled breechloaders, ain't it?"
old guy: "Yeah. Model..."
me: interrupting "Ahh... they'll never catch on!"
Seller was COMPLETELY dumbfounded...
The other old guys blinked for a sec, then started giggling...
And Bedlamite just started shaking his head...
I know... not on a range. But it WAS fun...
At the Fondy gunshow. Guy has a replica of some old break-open BP rifle. Seller was an OLD guy: looked about 65-70. I'm in my late 20s, look early 20s (long hair, earrings, leather jacket). Bedlamite and another older guy are standing to my right. I ask if I can take a look at the piece, and pop it open (he started to explain how, but it was absolutely obvious). I handle it a few minutes, then look across the table...
me: "This's one o' them new-fangled breechloaders, ain't it?"
old guy: "Yeah. Model..."
me: interrupting "Ahh... they'll never catch on!"
Seller was COMPLETELY dumbfounded...
The other old guys blinked for a sec, then started giggling...
And Bedlamite just started shaking his head...
I know... not on a range. But it WAS fun...
armoredman
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I have gotten grief for years about carrying my Witness - "what a junker", "cheap crime guns", etc. Good solid pistols, they are. As for SKS, I had a few, would love at least one more. And, FWIW, I take my Mosin Nagant, (a $79 value that was donated by a wonderful buddy) and open up the heavens with that ThunderBoom, and all the $5000 rifles stop to see what blew up. Snicker snort. I get a 3" group at 100 yards, and I am happy. I could care less what Bubba or Winston has to say - I like it, I am keeping it, and I am getting good with it......
You should here me go on about CZ! I love my new PO1.....
You should here me go on about CZ! I love my new PO1.....
outofbattery
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I'll be the first to admit that there are countless folks both older and younger than myself that can outshoot me and my Sigs all day long with their old Model 16's or Bersas or whatever else so I'd be a damned fool to be a gun snob . Granted , there are some things out there I'd just as soon want no part of ( the Haskell , Jennings , Davis etc.'s ) and if asked I would voice my opinion of their inferiority compared to a Makarov , CZ52 or Star etc. for the same budget but I believe that's a slightly different issue .
Gun snobbery is mostly born out of jealousy over poor judgement on their part , someone else having better skills or is just someone with low self esteem that feels the need to talk himself up by bringing others down . Show me a guy that runs his mouth about " I'll never lay a hand on disposable plastic crap" all day long and I'll show you a guy that's spent a mint on his 1911 only to get shown up by a box stock Glock . Show me a guy that rants about how out of date and unreliable the 1911 is and I'll show you a Glock/Sig/HK owner that was made to look stupid by a ratty Mil Spec .
What's something else is how many people outright refuse to listen to others that tell them something they don't want to hear and even when they experience it for themselves , they don't seem to want to believe it . I'm sure there are many people that think your shooting however many rounds flawlessly from your SKS was a complete fluke or that maybe , just maybe , you "got one of the good ones " .
However , reverse snobbery is just as bad . It's just as ignorant to be a jerk to someone with guns you couldn't afford just on those grounds as it is for them to bad mouth you .
Gun snobbery is mostly born out of jealousy over poor judgement on their part , someone else having better skills or is just someone with low self esteem that feels the need to talk himself up by bringing others down . Show me a guy that runs his mouth about " I'll never lay a hand on disposable plastic crap" all day long and I'll show you a guy that's spent a mint on his 1911 only to get shown up by a box stock Glock . Show me a guy that rants about how out of date and unreliable the 1911 is and I'll show you a Glock/Sig/HK owner that was made to look stupid by a ratty Mil Spec .
What's something else is how many people outright refuse to listen to others that tell them something they don't want to hear and even when they experience it for themselves , they don't seem to want to believe it . I'm sure there are many people that think your shooting however many rounds flawlessly from your SKS was a complete fluke or that maybe , just maybe , you "got one of the good ones " .
However , reverse snobbery is just as bad . It's just as ignorant to be a jerk to someone with guns you couldn't afford just on those grounds as it is for them to bad mouth you .
cracked butt
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You can't make everyone happy as there is always someone out there who is going to try to make themselves feel better by putting you down, and if it isn't about guns, it will be the color of your skin, the type of vehicle you drive, the clothes you are wearing, or whatever else they feel they imagine to have a leg up on you.
Best bet is to just ignore such people.
Best bet is to just ignore such people.
spartacus2002
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I have the opposite problem when I pull out my M1A... all the old coots want to come over and talk about how much they loved them in Basic Training or Vietnam. Lotsa great war stories, but I don't get much shooting done.
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