M.Kalashnikov
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I'm going to school to get my GED
Guns and education level
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kungfuhippie
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I have an AA in Religious Studies, an working on a BS in Civil Engineering.
A degree only means that you could put-up with 4+ years of liberal professors trying to brainwash you. The fact that you own guns means it didn't work.
A degree only means that you could put-up with 4+ years of liberal professors trying to brainwash you. The fact that you own guns means it didn't work.
VARifleman
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More than halfway through my BS in Civil Engineering, Structural concentration.
Higher education cannot be had by "anyone". For many, the only limitation is their own will. Even if a person is smart, it still takes some amount of determination to earn a degree.
It is far too common for those without an education to resent those who do and make excuses for why they are not educated. "Common sense" is often mentioned. The problem with common sense is, it is not necessarly correct or even common. For example, to many people it is "common sense" that a gun is more likely to be used against its owner than by its owner in defense. This of course is not correct.
Common sense certainly has its place, but does not always apply to things like science, law, medicine, and politics. It definitely does not always apply to subjects like ballistics.
Common sense does not replace education, and education does not take common sense away from someone. Common sense and education are two separate things.
That said, education does not cause intelligence. Yes, there are plenty of educated idiots, but there are far more uneducated idiots.
YOU ARE SO WRONG ABOUT THIS!
Cattle_Dog
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B.A. in fine art & B.S. in biology
dixierifleman
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high education CAN be had by anyone. if they have the will and determination to seek it. if you think i resent anyone with education, you must not have much "common sense". i chose not to go to college. its not for everyone, including myself. im not the classroom type person. you say for many people with common sense, a firearm is likely to be used against its owner. thats hardly an argument about common sense. not to mention the only ones that would think that are ignorant. there may be more uneducated idiots, but theres just as many with an education that lack common sense. common sense cant be taught. if you need an explanation on what common sense is, you must be lacking it yourself. as for common sense in relation to firearms, i worded that wrong. common sense has more to do with gun safety than education. an educated person could load a gun, chamber a round, put the weapon on safe, and proceed to look down the barrel. why? well because without a finger on the trigger, and the gun on safe, theres no way for the gun to fire. right? anyone with common sense will tell you thats a stupid idea. get my drift?
Dixierifleman,
Clearly you have taken offense to what I have written and it was cetainly not intented. It is also clear you have intentionally attempted to offend me.
First, here is a little hint. Some might even call it "common sense". Try starting your sentences with capital letters and you might appear to be a little more intelligent.
I never said "for many people with common sense, a firearm is likely to be used against its owner"
I said, "TO many people it is "common sense" that a gun is more likely to be used against its owner than by its owner in defense."
Go back and read this very carefully. Yes, these people are ignorant. Igorance is often due to a lack of EDUCATION. There are plenty of ignorant people with plenty of common sense.
You are still wrong. The very very first part of educating a person in the use of a firearm is to KEEP THE MUZZLE POINTED IN SAFE DIRECTION. Making the statment you made implies you not only lack formal education, but also lack firearms education. This honestly is not meant to offend you. Perhaps you can convince the NRA to drop all of its firearms education programs and simply promote "common sense".
So an educated person could look down the barrel of a loaded firearm? So could an uneducated person.
Would you like to explain how a gun fires without a finger on the trigger and the safety on? No, I am NOT saying it would be a good idea to look down the barrel, nor am I saying it should ever be done. It is also common sense that a gun in such a condition cannot fire. The point is, relying on common sense alone, especially concerning subjects like firearms, can lead to accidents. The common sense of the general population is not the same as the common sense of the shooting population.
I thank you for the kind words, but I did not ask for an explanation of what common sense is, nor do I need an explanation of what it is. Just in case you wondered, I do not lack it. It just isn't much of an accomplishment to have it. If you think you have more common sense than so many other people, then by definition, whatever it is you have is not common sense.
In your original post you said something about knowing educated people who couldn't change a tire. Ever pull a wheel off one of the old Chryslers with the left handed studs on one side? It is a classic example of common sense failing to be adequate for even the simplest things. It is however, an educational experience to snap off a stud before discovering this. Righty tighty lefty loosey for bolts and nuts is the most basic common sense, but is NOT always correct.
Clearly you have taken offense to what I have written and it was cetainly not intented. It is also clear you have intentionally attempted to offend me.
First, here is a little hint. Some might even call it "common sense". Try starting your sentences with capital letters and you might appear to be a little more intelligent.
I never said "for many people with common sense, a firearm is likely to be used against its owner"
I said, "TO many people it is "common sense" that a gun is more likely to be used against its owner than by its owner in defense."
Go back and read this very carefully. Yes, these people are ignorant. Igorance is often due to a lack of EDUCATION. There are plenty of ignorant people with plenty of common sense.
You are still wrong. The very very first part of educating a person in the use of a firearm is to KEEP THE MUZZLE POINTED IN SAFE DIRECTION. Making the statment you made implies you not only lack formal education, but also lack firearms education. This honestly is not meant to offend you. Perhaps you can convince the NRA to drop all of its firearms education programs and simply promote "common sense".
So an educated person could look down the barrel of a loaded firearm? So could an uneducated person.
Would you like to explain how a gun fires without a finger on the trigger and the safety on? No, I am NOT saying it would be a good idea to look down the barrel, nor am I saying it should ever be done. It is also common sense that a gun in such a condition cannot fire. The point is, relying on common sense alone, especially concerning subjects like firearms, can lead to accidents. The common sense of the general population is not the same as the common sense of the shooting population.
I thank you for the kind words, but I did not ask for an explanation of what common sense is, nor do I need an explanation of what it is. Just in case you wondered, I do not lack it. It just isn't much of an accomplishment to have it. If you think you have more common sense than so many other people, then by definition, whatever it is you have is not common sense.
In your original post you said something about knowing educated people who couldn't change a tire. Ever pull a wheel off one of the old Chryslers with the left handed studs on one side? It is a classic example of common sense failing to be adequate for even the simplest things. It is however, an educational experience to snap off a stud before discovering this. Righty tighty lefty loosey for bolts and nuts is the most basic common sense, but is NOT always correct.
Cousin Mike
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Geez, fellas... knock it off, it's just a poll. 
Tech school grad here, going back to college soon (hopefully this year).
Tech school grad here, going back to college soon (hopefully this year).
dixierifleman
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i did not take offence to your post, and did not try to offend you in mine. if i did, i apologize.
i dont capitalize every sentence. i can, and can use proper grammar when i have to. i choose not to in my posts because its much faster for me to type(which im not very good at anyways). sorry if it makes me seem unintelligent.
as for me sayin you must not have much "common sense", i was implying that nowhere in my first post did i seem like i was resenting anyone of higher education.
with the common sense/firearm thing, i dont feel im wrong. give me an educated person thats never been around guns(but is aware of what they do) and give me a non-educated man with common sense that also has never been around guns. then put them in the scenario i provided. a man of education could look down a loaded weapon and assume nothing would happen(if he lacked common sense). would somethin happen? probably not. is it a safe practice involving common sense? no.
i was not refering to you when i said "if you need an explanation on what common sense is, you must be lacking it yourself". i can understand how you got that, but i assure you, it was not directed towards you. it was directed to anyone needing an explanation for "common sense". i was just implying that it cant be taught.
no i have never changed the tire from an old Chrysler. however, the RX-7 used to have the reversed threads. and common sense told me that it would not loosen turnin the normal way, so i tried it turnin right, and it loosened up.
i can see you have valid points, and i hope you can see i do too. i was never implying that educated people were dumb or that all lacked common sense. i just wanted to point out higher education isnt everything. i did not mean start a pissin contest.
i dont capitalize every sentence. i can, and can use proper grammar when i have to. i choose not to in my posts because its much faster for me to type(which im not very good at anyways). sorry if it makes me seem unintelligent.
as for me sayin you must not have much "common sense", i was implying that nowhere in my first post did i seem like i was resenting anyone of higher education.
with the common sense/firearm thing, i dont feel im wrong. give me an educated person thats never been around guns(but is aware of what they do) and give me a non-educated man with common sense that also has never been around guns. then put them in the scenario i provided. a man of education could look down a loaded weapon and assume nothing would happen(if he lacked common sense). would somethin happen? probably not. is it a safe practice involving common sense? no.
i was not refering to you when i said "if you need an explanation on what common sense is, you must be lacking it yourself". i can understand how you got that, but i assure you, it was not directed towards you. it was directed to anyone needing an explanation for "common sense". i was just implying that it cant be taught.
no i have never changed the tire from an old Chrysler. however, the RX-7 used to have the reversed threads. and common sense told me that it would not loosen turnin the normal way, so i tried it turnin right, and it loosened up.
i can see you have valid points, and i hope you can see i do too. i was never implying that educated people were dumb or that all lacked common sense. i just wanted to point out higher education isnt everything. i did not mean start a pissin contest.
I'm really not trying to argue. This is an even worse example. Compare an "educated man" that has not been around guns with a "non-educated man with common sense" that as also been around guns? This is exactly how you have wrote it. You did not say "ant educated man without common sense" you only said an "educated man". The statement as written implies the educated are more likely to lack common sense than the uneducated.
And I have been around people, both educated and uneducated who have been around guns and still do stupid things that defy common sense.
I believe you when you said you did not want to start a pi$$ing constest. Please understand my responses. This poll of educating and firearms has people posting their educational level and sometimes a brief description or other information. Then out of the blue you make a negative statement belittling higher education, claiming it can be had by anyone if they have the will and determination to seek it. This is partially true. In reality, it cannot be had by anyone, but will and determination is likely the most major factor. When people do not have this will or determination, it says a lot by itself. A degree in higher education does not prove a person is highly intelligent (many are not), and yes some even lack common sense, but it does indicate they have that will and determination.
dixierifleman
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i said an uneduated man that has not been around guns.
now i know you meant to put the "not" in there. just as i meant to put "an educated man without common sense".
i didnt mean to sound like i was belittling people with higher education. obviously not everyone has a high level of schoolin, but it can be had by almost anyone. this shows the number that do have it, have the will to achieve it. i get in a hurry sometimes and dont fully explain myself. sorry for that misnderstanding.
now i know you meant to put the "not" in there. just as i meant to put "an educated man without common sense".
i didnt mean to sound like i was belittling people with higher education. obviously not everyone has a high level of schoolin, but it can be had by almost anyone. this shows the number that do have it, have the will to achieve it. i get in a hurry sometimes and dont fully explain myself. sorry for that misnderstanding.
Xigris
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Clinical Pharmacist (25 years).
Dr. Dickie
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I'm an Elmer, as in Fudd.
That is, I got a Ph.D. after my name (analytical chemistry).
The above is an inside joke about folks that insist on the Ph.D after their name on a nameplate (as everywhere I have worked, just about everybody had a doctorate).
Of course a poll like this is going to be biased toward more educated folks, especially geeks, as most things on the internet still are.
I shoot IDPA with many fine folks who do not even own a computer. What, if any degrees they might have, I haven't a clue (but am pretty sure they are not geeks).
That is, I got a Ph.D. after my name (analytical chemistry).
The above is an inside joke about folks that insist on the Ph.D after their name on a nameplate (as everywhere I have worked, just about everybody had a doctorate).
Of course a poll like this is going to be biased toward more educated folks, especially geeks, as most things on the internet still are.
I shoot IDPA with many fine folks who do not even own a computer. What, if any degrees they might have, I haven't a clue (but am pretty sure they are not geeks).
fspitzdorf
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BSME, partially through my MSME (I should finish this... i really do miss school), PE
Declaration Day
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I graduated from a technical school as an aircraft mechanic, but I currently own a landscaping / lawnservice business.
I don't look down on people with a lack of formal education; I look down on lazy bums and society's leeches. If you shovel sh*t or work on a garbage truck and are able to support yourself, I have as much respect for you as I do for a doctor or an engineer.
I don't look down on people with a lack of formal education; I look down on lazy bums and society's leeches. If you shovel sh*t or work on a garbage truck and are able to support yourself, I have as much respect for you as I do for a doctor or an engineer.
Sistema1927
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AA, BS, MDiv.
wolfe28
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B.S. Biology, B.S. Sports Medicine, M.S. Physiology and Biophysics.
SnWnMe
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Master's here. Working on a Doctorate.
W Turner
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BS in Criminal Justice and Sociology. Thought I wanted to be a cop until I started working with kids.
Currently enrolled in a MS Counseling Psychology program. Eventually I will get my license as a counselor/therapist and concentrate on marriage counseling.
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Currently enrolled in a MS Counseling Psychology program. Eventually I will get my license as a counselor/therapist and concentrate on marriage counseling.
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voted for the highest, bachelors in engineering working on jd. jd's not "held" yet, but a bachelors in engineering is like a phd in _____, right?
and +1 to declaration day, living an honest life's more important than how you accomplish that end, so don't necessarily read into the demographics too much, whatever they may be.
and +1 to declaration day, living an honest life's more important than how you accomplish that end, so don't necessarily read into the demographics too much, whatever they may be.
First I find this poll interesting but I'd just like to mention that no one should take this poll seriously. It's not a good example of gun owners because in order to take the poll, they have to 1. have access to the internet and 2. Frequent thehighroad.org and read the General Gun Discussion section. So it's not a good sample.
That said, I'm not trying to say it's pointless, I just want people who might not be that familiar with statistics to realize that when dealing with anti's, this probably isn't a good poll to reference. I do however find it interesting.
Me, I have a B.S. in Computer Science.
That said, I'm not trying to say it's pointless, I just want people who might not be that familiar with statistics to realize that when dealing with anti's, this probably isn't a good poll to reference. I do however find it interesting.
Me, I have a B.S. in Computer Science.
benEzra
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B.A. and some master's work in English. Would like to go back and finish the M.A., but my son was born with DiGeorge Syndrome in my second semester of master's work, and that put a damper on academics for a while. I'll probably go back to school when he's a little older.
I'm also a physics geek and work as a technical writer, but don't have a degree in the sciences. Looking back, I had offers from CalTech and MIT, and I think I would have enjoyed going that route (probably MIT), but I didn't have a clue at the time.
My sister is also a gun owner and avid shooter, and she graduated from NC State with a double major in engineering and mathematics.
I read somewhere that gun owners do tend to be slightly more educated than the national average. I'm not sure if that's a reflection of disposable income (takes disposable income to buy guns), or underlying sociological/demographic factors.
I'm also a physics geek and work as a technical writer, but don't have a degree in the sciences. Looking back, I had offers from CalTech and MIT, and I think I would have enjoyed going that route (probably MIT), but I didn't have a clue at the time.
My sister is also a gun owner and avid shooter, and she graduated from NC State with a double major in engineering and mathematics.
I read somewhere that gun owners do tend to be slightly more educated than the national average. I'm not sure if that's a reflection of disposable income (takes disposable income to buy guns), or underlying sociological/demographic factors.
armedpolak
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BS of Science in Computer Science
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