Gunshop staff attitude: is this savvy?

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I went into a gun shop the other day (actually, a pawn shop which sells guns), and I was looking at their offerings. Not much, but I saw a used 1911 I couldn't identify through the case for $699 and I asked to see it. (Turns out it was a Springfield GI with non-factory grips - what a gyp! Usually they're pretty reasonable there...)

He comes over, checks the chamber, lowers the hammer, and hands it to me. I go about checking tolerances and indexing the piece, working the action, and just generally handling the firearm so I don't make the guy feel like I've wasted his time in letting me handle it (no way I'm paying that for a GI). I then rack the slide, index on the corner of the room (about 5 feet away and not in the proprietor's direction, with nobody but the two of us in the shop) and dry-fire the pistol. I cock the hammer, lower it, cock it again, and then re-index on an object in the corner, and slowly dry-fire it again. The trigger was a bit soggy for a GI, I thought...

I then hand it back to the shop proprietor and thank him for letting me look at it. He puts it back in the case and starts to walk away when he says, with criticism in his voice, "You shouldn't dry-fire guns in a gun shop." :scrutiny: The impression I got when he said it was that he was saying it with the general attitude that it's something which might freak out the patrons and/or the workers, as if I'm going to 'cap someone's arse', even though he checked the action and stood there watching me do the same at least twice. (Note: I'm a clean-cut kinda guy, no tattoos, and well spoken.) I patronize him with an affirmative response, walk about a bit more, and leave.

Is it just me, or was his response to my dry-firing of the pistol completely off-base and inappropriate? Yes, I realize it's his shop and therefore his rules, but c'mon; would it be reasonable to say a potential customer could not drive a car from a used car dealer? If it was a .22, I could understand him saying that (if he worded it specifically and not generally), particularly if it was after the first time I dry-fired and not after taking the piece back. I've dry-fired pistols and rifles both at every shop I've ever been in, and I've seen others do the same thing, so I don't think I'm too off in my assessment here...

I should note that I've been in there on a number of occasions, their gun guy knows me by name, and it's the only shop in the area which sells guns at all which is both not a chain and not staffed completely by pr*cks. This guy has been generally helpful and friendly in the past, so I was a bit miffed.

This kind of attitude from gun shop owners is really perplexing.
 
I always ask if I can dry fire first. I figure it's not my gun yet, so I'll ask permission first, even at the shops I frequent. If they say no, then they say no and I don't buy it.
 
I always ask if I can dry-fire the weapon I'm handling. I don't know what's normal procedure, though - but I don't want anyone getting uneasy with me just grabbing it and squeezing the trigger.
 
"You shouldn't dry-fire guns in a gun shop." Uh...everybody does it. I always ask first though. Like yomama said,if they say no or won't let me take the slide off I go about my merry way,no worse off than I was two minutes ago.
 
A lot of people arent too keen on buying a brand new gun that has been dry fired by thirty different people before they even get to see it.

It probably doesnt matter with centerfire pistols, but that's how it is.

Whenever I look at a new .22 I ask the shop guy if I can dry fire it. If he say's "yes" and doesnt hand me a snap cap or an expended cartridge I make a note not to purchase that gun.
 
And hey,the guy could have just been having a bad day too.
A lot of people arent too keen on buying a brand new gun that has been dry fired by thirty different people before they even get to see it.
I may be wrong but I don't think a hundred or so dry-fires is really going to hurt anything. It's not great,I know,but it's not all terribly bad either.
 
it's funny.

On one hand, I hate buying a gun that has been dry fired by previous customers. The only gun I ever bought that was from the display case has given me hell).

On the other hand, I feel it's important to be able to dry fire before buying so you know how the trigger feels.

I know I can't have it both ways and that it's terribly selfish of me, but that's just my crazy noggin for you.
 
I ask first, and request a snap cap. if one is not available, I'll put a small piece of paper in the way of the hammer, like a strip of matchbook cover.
 
Maybe they should put those annoying trigger locks on like at Bass Pro.
 
I always ask if I can dry fire the pistol before attempting to do so.
 
I NEVER dry-fire anyone's gun, whether in a gun shop or not, new or used.

I don't dry-fire mine, either. Ever.

It's not at all necessary.

You can tell all you need to know about a gun without doing that.

-- John D.
 
I have had a shop asked me prior to handing the weapon to please not work the action on a revolver because they didn't want the "ring" to start. That doesn't bother me.

I figure unless the shop tells me right off the bat or has a sign (which I haven't ever seen), anything I pickup is game to be dry fired.
 
I NEVER dry-fire anyone's gun, whether in a gun shop or not, new or used.

I don't dry-fire mine, either. Ever.

It's not at all necessary.

You can tell all you need to know about a gun without doing that.

So how to you tell what the trigger pull is like?
 
I have had a shop asked me prior to handing the weapon to please not work the action on a revolver because they didn't want the "ring" to start. That doesn't bother me.

I figure unless the shop tells me right off the bat or has a sign (which I haven't ever seen), anything I pickup is game to be dry fired.

Agreed. If they don't want it dry fired it should have a zip lock on it, like on a SAA or something. I mean, c'mon, it's a gun. It's meant to be fired and that means dry fired too. It's not going to hurt any new guns.
 
I always dry-fire and I always use my off-hand thumb to keep the hammer from falling all the way.

I've had a few owners tell me it's ok to dry-fire the gun while I'm doing my "modified dryfire".

My take?

ALWAYS ask permission to:

1. Handle someone else's gun.
2. Disassemble/field strip someone else's gun.
3. Dryfire someone else's gun.

I agree that you should be allowed to do all those things in most cases when you are contemplating a purchase. But asking first is still the right thing to do.
 
I always ask.

If he was going to tell you not to dry-fire, he should have said something the first time you did it. Not after you'd dry-fired it twice and gave the gun back to him. Seems like there was plenty of time for him to say "Don't do that again." after the first time.
 
always ask.


the REASON you always ask is that that myths about dry firing are pervasive. lots of gun owners think it's bad for guns for any number of reasons. it doesn't matter if it is or isn't; the point is that by being polite, you avoid the potential for offense. You also show you know a little something about guns yourself, simply by asking.


edit: in fact, while we're on the subject...
you shouldn't rotate the cylinder in a revolver w/o asking.
you shouldn't disassemble any weapon (even including disengaging the rear pin on an AR15, or removing the bolt from a rifle) w/o asking.
you usually shouldn't handle guns within reach (like displayed on top of the counter) w/o asking.
etc.
 
First, we are talking about a used 1911 here, so dry firing will not hurt the gun, in any way.

Before dryfiring another man's gun though, you should ask.
 
I never ask the clerk if he has snap caps. I get uneasy when I hear someone rack an action and something falls onto the counter top, and I don't want to have that effect on anyone else.

Instead, I do about the same thing that JohnKSa does. I dry fire a SA with my off hand thumb in the notch between the hammer and slide, or between the hammer and frame in the case of a revolver. I put my thumb deep enough in the notch to keep the hammer from whacking it hard, but not so deep as to apply rearward force to the hammer and thereby lighten the trigger pull.

When testing a DA trigger pull it is easy to slow the fall of the hammer by riding the spur with my off hand thumb.
 
Heck, I work at a gun shop, and we don't care.

Only exceptions are:
  1. Rimfires, for the obvious reasons
  2. "Glass case" type stuff
  3. POINTING IT AT ME WHILE YOU DO IT.

It won't hurt the gun as long as it's a centerfire. For the sake of wear, we draw the line at the >$1500 and collector's stuff, but the folks we're showing those to aren't the types to dry-fire anyhow. (I'm not handing consecutive serial # Stampedes to any bozo who's already asked about Desert Eagles)

Number 3 happens from time to time, at which the gun gets snatched. Should it happen to hit said person in the chin, oops.

It IS nice when people ask before dry-firing, though. Courtesy is never wasted. :)
 
Outlaws,

Like some other posters mentioned, I have my thumb on the hammer, pull the trigger and let it fall "impeded" so it doesn't hit the firing pin hard and move it forward.

This is not "dry-firing" it because it's not allowing the hammer to fall freely, hit the firing pin and send it forward as would happen when shooting live ammo.

Dry-firing IS just cocking it and pulling the trigger with no interference of the hammer fall.

Consequently, I NEVER dry-fire a gun.

-- John D.
 
Seems like common courtesy to ask first. If they say no, walk out the door. But you're still handling other people's merchandise. Asking permission is the proper thing to do.

I did ask: I said, "mind if I take a look at that 1911". He said sure, and he handed it to me. Why would it be any different to ask whether or not I could dry fire? That's kinda why I asked in the first place - so I could see how the gun's basic mechanisms were functioning and if there was an immediate problem with the pistol.

Now, if I want to do something more indepth (ie take the gun apart), I'll ask further. But dry firing? C'mon - what's the harm in that, seriously?

ETA: Sorry, I didn't realize some people were paranoid about silly things like this. It never occurred to me to be superstitious about the normal operation of a gun causing it to somehow malfunction or wear unduly, even without the presence of ammunition...
 
I always ask if I can dry fire. If it's a centerfire and won't allow me to do so in a safe manner, I just turn around and leave. Let's see, you asked to look at a gun you had no intention of buying, checked it over thoroughly, dry fired without asking, and then get upset and think the guy's a p**ck because he mentioned something about it to you. You still didn't buy the gun. Looks like you got exactly what you paid for. :rolleyes:
 
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