Guntalk-Broomhandle Mauser
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RecoilRob said "OH YEA!! If they could make it stronger than the original and able to use the surplus 7.62x25 CZ-52 ammo...."
Stronger than the original? Please enlighten me. Since the schnellfuerer models were machine pistols, and the original chambering was in 7.62x25, i.e., .30 Mauser, I'm not following you here.
Sam
Stronger than the original? Please enlighten me. Since the schnellfuerer models were machine pistols, and the original chambering was in 7.62x25, i.e., .30 Mauser, I'm not following you here.
Sam
Deanimator
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The Chinese made .45acp Broomhandles. Centerfire Systems or somebody had them a few years ago. Nothing wrong with a copy of the Taku Naval Dockyard guns.
I doubt Taurus or anyone else could make an affordable C-96, the machining would be prohibitively expensive. For those of you who aren't familiar with them, the only screws are the ones holding the grips on. The rest of the pistol goes together like a 3 dimensional jig saw puzzle. BTW the original cartridge was 7.63 X 25.
Geronimo45
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"Stronger than the original? Please enlighten me. Since the schnellfuerer models were machine pistols, and the original chambering was in 7.62x25, i.e., .30 Mauser, I'm not following you here."
Schnellenfuerers (Mauser 712, as I recall) were full auto, but the original C-96 'Broomhandle' Mauser was a semi-auto. The 712 and a few other C-96 models had detchable magazines - but most were fed via stripper clips.
Newer metallurgy allows for stronger metals. The Mauser could take a 9mm after having the bore drilled out - with turn-of-the-century metals. New, stronger stuff could handle higher pressures and more powerful ammo than before. It could easily handle .45 or 10mm.
The .30 Mauser/7.63 Mauser is practically identical to 7.62x25 Tokarev (which is very cheap, this ammo was made for the Tokarev pistol and the CZ-52).
Schnellenfuerers (Mauser 712, as I recall) were full auto, but the original C-96 'Broomhandle' Mauser was a semi-auto. The 712 and a few other C-96 models had detchable magazines - but most were fed via stripper clips.
Newer metallurgy allows for stronger metals. The Mauser could take a 9mm after having the bore drilled out - with turn-of-the-century metals. New, stronger stuff could handle higher pressures and more powerful ammo than before. It could easily handle .45 or 10mm.
The .30 Mauser/7.63 Mauser is practically identical to 7.62x25 Tokarev (which is very cheap, this ammo was made for the Tokarev pistol and the CZ-52).
Beetle Bailey
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If it were allowed in my gun-hating state, and the price wasn't prohibitive, I'd love one in 9mm Luger. Bring back stripper-clip-fed autopistols!
Gotta admit, as a kid I watched quite a few Chinese martial arts/gangster movies, and the Broomhandle Mausers often made cameos.
Gotta admit, as a kid I watched quite a few Chinese martial arts/gangster movies, and the Broomhandle Mausers often made cameos.
RecoilRob
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While the 30 Mauser and 7.62 Tok share very similar dimensions, the Tokarev ammo is often loaded very much hotter.
A repro Broomie in 30 Mauser would be neat, but one that could safely fire all the surplus 7.62x25 ammo on the market would be even better.
Hence my 'stronger than the original' comment.
A repro Broomie in 30 Mauser would be neat, but one that could safely fire all the surplus 7.62x25 ammo on the market would be even better.
Hence my 'stronger than the original' comment.
Manedwolf
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And why would you want to fire corrosive surplus through your brand-new gun and ruin the barrel with salts (unless you clean it every time), when you can get brand-new S&B 7.62x25 FMJ for $8/50?
It WOULD make sense to chamber it for Tok, simply because you could use the S&B ammo instead of having to track down the small-batch custom stuff. And as a side benefit...maybe Taurus would make their copper hex bullet in 7.62 Tok, for use in TT-33's, too.
Highland Ranger
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Mark me down as a no.
I still remember the Smartgun nonsense. Hard for me to forget . . . .
I still remember the Smartgun nonsense. Hard for me to forget . . . .
A modern C-96 would give me a reason to buy my first Taurus. I wouldn't expect a true to life 'repro', more of a moderized lookalike (ala the Thunderbolt rifle) which is fine.
A mini BAR? Sweet.
A mini BAR? Sweet.
ozarkhillbilly
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A modern C-96 would give me a reason to buy my first Taurus. I wouldn't expect a true to life 'repro', more of a moderized lookalike (ala the Thunderbolt rifle) which is fine.
That would be fine by me too.
That would be fine by me too.
Eightball
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I'd take one or two of those, one o' dem mini-BARs in .223, and a reproduction luger, if the price is right on any/all. Semi-auto is fine, and even if the C96 used stipper clips (doubtful), I'd still buy one or two.
Any way the NFA would still consider that design exempt from SBR regulation?
Any way the NFA would still consider that design exempt from SBR regulation?
You won't get 'around' the SBR restriction because it's an old design.
Let me show you to the MiniBAR just took on a whole new meaning. haha.
Let me show you to the MiniBAR just took on a whole new meaning. haha.
Sylvilagus Aquaticus
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I dunno, even with state of the art CNC machining, there's going to be a ton of hand fitting that must be done on them. That was the prime reason for the demise of the C96, as well as the Luger, which were supplanted for military use by the P-38, along with any number of other pistols which could be pressed into use.
If Taurus is able to machine a C96 and make it work reliably, that's great. The C96 is a unique artform of technology of another era. I'd love to see it come to fruition and hold one, but I don't know if I'd be a prospective owner.
Regards,
Rabbit.
If Taurus is able to machine a C96 and make it work reliably, that's great. The C96 is a unique artform of technology of another era. I'd love to see it come to fruition and hold one, but I don't know if I'd be a prospective owner.
Regards,
Rabbit.
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