Gustav gun confiscation underway

[taprackbang]

Whoever it is, are you normally allowed to board their buses/planes/trains carrying weapons?

Sure, but Don look at the bottom of the TV screen.

GUNS AND GUSTAV ... BAD COMBINATION

Oh, Thank you, big brother government for teaching me what is a bad combination. Just let our jack booted thugs help you.
Gee, CNN, were not shaping public opinion now, are we?!!

 

[AntiqueCollector]

Is it legal in LA to carry on public transportation within the state?

And people can bring guns while flying by following the FOPA rules and individual airline's policies (checked luggage, unloaded, etc.).

 

[rbernie]

Sure, but Don look at the bottom of the TV screen.

GUNS AND GUSTAV ... BAD COMBINATION

Oh, Thank you, big brother government for teaching me what is a bad combination. Just let our jack booted thugs help you.
Gee, CNN, were not shaping public opinion now, are we?!!

Complaining about bad CNN/mass media captioning and declaring the police to be JBTs who are illegally performing confiscations are vastly different things. Based upon the facts known at this time, I have no quarrel with the former but take vast exception to the latter.

 

[Zedo]

Anybody have any "reliable source" information to provide a foundation for the hysteria?

I'd be interested in seeing a PUBLISHED mandate from government -- either municipal, state, or judicial.

 

[ravenwolf71]

It sounds to me like the USA is turning into what it fought against in the past. That's a big slap in the face to everyone who gave up their lives fighting for this country.
I feel the decline of western civilization comming quick. Sad to say.

 

[fatelk]

Very well said, hso. I too am waiting for more information before jumping to any conclusions.

And people want to ban flag burning.... A good reason for burning one if you ask me.

This incendiary comment, on the other hand (from page 1), offends me greatly. I don't want to stir it up, but just couldn't let this sort of insane statement go unchallenged.

What does the flag represent to you?

Apparantly to some it represents the tyranny of "The Man", JBT's who want to oppress you.

To me it represents the blood and sacrifice of millions of America's finest over the last couple centuries. Why in the world would someone want to dishonor that because of the actions (real or not) of some thugs who themselves dishonor what our country stands for?

 

[taprackbang]

Yeah they are different, (media / JBTs) and both bad! LA has some pretty good gun laws, so now we can just suspend all laws on a whim just because of a hurricane?

Why were there Cali Highway Patrol serving in an arrest capacity LA after Katrina? They have no jurisdiction in LA! If some policeman came into my domicile who was from another state he would have a world of problems real quick..

 

[lax]

It seems some here would be fine with segregated bussing since according to them it's the gov't bus so any gov't imposed rules are fine if you want to ride the bus to safety.

 

[rbernie]

LA has some pretty good gun laws, so now we can just suspend all laws on a whim just because of a hurricane?

What evidence do you possess to suggest that laws are getting 'suspended on a whim'? Or are you just guessing?

Why were there Cali Highway Patrol serving in an arrest capacity LA after Katrina? They have no jurisdiction in LA!

Why are we talking about Katrina? That was three years ago. This one is called Gustav. The discussions are specific to the evacuation of folks pre-Gustav and whether or not they were legally or illegally disarmed.

What happened three years ago is intellectually important but it is NOT relevant to this discussion, in my opinion. It serves only to inflame, and adds ZERO actual data to the picture.

 

[ravenwolf71]

Sounds like the police aren't there to help, they are there to make people helpless.

 

[Mr_Rogers]

The most disturbing mention on this thread is the Blackwater involvement.

It appears that the potential recruits would have to be LE qualified. In that case, why can't they be seconded directly to local authority rather than being supplied by Blackwater?

What status do Blackwater personnel have when working under contract to a US LE entity?

What would be the legal situation if you got into a fight with a Blackwater employee versus a local LE officer?

How soon before we see Blackwater employees doing SWAT no-notice drug busts because they are supposed to have training the local PD does not have?

We supposedly have constitutional protection against the use of military forces on the mainland US but this protection is being eroded more rapidly than New Orleans's levees with the border war and the introduction of pseudo civilian operations such as Blackwater into the domestic US.

 

[ravenwolf71]

Think about it , kind of sounds like the TV show " JERICO "

 

[yokel]

Those without the means to leave town by packing their pets and possessions into their cars ought to be subject to forfeiture of civil rights and their only resource for the protection of their liberty and property?

Disarm or begin walking northward, eh?

When Machiavelli said that "to be disarmed is to be contemptible," he meant not simply to be held in contempt, but to deserve it; by disarming men tyrants render them at once brutish and pusillanimous.

 

[Zedo]

Flag burning represents a country which puts civil rights and free expression (content) ahead of iconographic symbolism (form). Legal bars to the free expression represented in flag burning more assuredly destroys the civil rights the flag represents than any inceration of colored fabric.

As a disabled veteran who defended the US Constitution "from all enemies, foreign and domestic" let me quote Voltaire:

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

 

[rbernie]

Those without the means to leave town by packing their pets and possessions into their cars ought be subject to forfeiture of civil rights and their only resource for the protection of their liberty and property?

You seem to be missing the point. If they had tried to board an airplane or a bus two weeks ago while armed, they would have been arrested and thrown in the pokey. Why is it that there was no outrage about such a state of affairs, oh, two weeks ago, but there is a hue and cry today? What are all you 'raageful' people doing EVERY DAY to get the weapons restrictions (or even ID restrictions) imposed upon those using mass transportation removed? The simple answer is - not a dang thing.

The laws being enforced today are the same laws being enforced last week. The only difference now is that you get to sit in your post-Katrina quarterbacking chair and spout rhetoric about how Da Man Be Holdin' You Down An' Stealin' Yor Loot.

I am humbled to be in the company of such Patriots.

 

[SamTuckerMTNMAN]

I am all for resisting BS

but keep in mind; cramped busses, no ID on many, unknown people, public transport, risky breakdown of law and order, and relatively untrained LEO in charge of transportation and logistics. You could expect this. Being prepared doesn't just mean having a stockpile of food and ammo . . . . it also means being able to DRIVE your family our of harms way or otherwise not depend on lowest bidder transport in emergency if possible. It also means secure, lo profile storage when away from home.

If I had to carry a weapon on one of those busses, I'd take some effort to make sure no-one-knew.

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[taprackbang]

Why are we talking about Katrina?

Cause this is just a repeat of that scenario.
Nope not guessing at all. It's obvious. What evidence do I possess of laws being suspended? Uh, cause If I remember correctly, LA has (or used to) have open carry which actually beats out our State which has concealed carry.

Infringement of the 2nd Amendment should never happen under any circumstances, even natural disasters. WAKE UP!
I can see it now, all of the LEOs trying to save face.

 

[rbernie]

Uh, cause If I remember correctly, LA has (or used to) have open carry which actually beats out our State which has concealed carry.

When did LA law allow legal open or concealed carry on American Airlines or Greyhound or Trailways?

Not so much.

I can see it now, all of the LEOs trying to save face.

I'm not a LEO; I'm just capable of critical thought.

Infringement of the 2nd Amendment should never happen under any circumstances, even natural disasters.

I agree, BUT IT ALREADY HAS. The laws are in place. The LEOs are enforcing the laws.

What have you done to roll back these laws on carryin' during transport?

 

[george29]

If TPTB were going door-to-door I would have been outraged, this is a public transportation terminal / refugee terminal, women, children, elderly all on an emotional rollercoaster, the last thing anyone needs is an armed person that forgot his/her meds on a interstate busride to the unknown. This is NOT gun confiscation, this is law enforcement at a sensible level. Y'all need to stop being Chicken-Little everytime someone yells "The sky is falling." In the end, no one will pay any attention at all and the moniker "Crazy Gun Owners" will be appropriate.

 

[yokel]

You seem to be missing the point

I don't think so.

This is not simply about whether firearms can legally be brought on to public transportation it is about whether blatant racism and classism targeting black people and other vulnerable citizens is acceptable.

 

[TexasRifleman]

Nope not guessing at all. It's obvious. What evidence do I possess of laws being suspended? Uh, cause If I remember correctly, LA has (or used to) have open carry which actually beats out our State which has concealed carry.

Uh, it's been illegal to carry, concealed or open, on public mass transit in pretty much every state for many many years now. On the interstate carriers, Greyhound, Amtrak and the airlines it's specifically against the law.

This is news to you?

This is not simply about whether firearms can be brought on to public transportation it is about whether blatant racism and classism targeting black people and other vulnerable citizens is acceptable.

You gotta be kidding. You can't make a race issue out of this in your wildest imagination.

Where were you a month ago? Were you actively working to get 2A rights restored for those that use mass transit? It's been illegal for years......

You have one photo from one CNN news story and now it's blatant racism? Maybe on the part of CNN perhaps......

 

[gc70]

Why would there be a presumption on anyone's part that the normal laws of the land would be temporarily suspended during an evacuation?

Leave your weapons at home if you want to travel by bus or train because they do not allow weapons in your possession OR in checked baggage.

• Greyhound: "We have a zero tolerance for alcohol, drugs, weapons and unruly behavior."
• Amtrak: "The following kinds of items are prohibited as both checked and carry-on baggage: Any type of gun, firearm, ammunition, explosives, or weapon."

 

[kentucky_Dave]

Part of my previous rant revolved around the fact that we cannot determine if persons guns are being transported with them and given back at the destination or not.

I hope that is the case (return).

I will say it is pretty cool of the govt to be giving the people a ride out (even though I don't care to pay for it) since they typically won't take care of themselves every other day. Entitlement programs work
They'll probably hand out the debit cards as they exit the bus too...lol

That said, there's nothing like depending on big brother for a lift, only to be dropped in a strange city unarmed and not knowing if you will ever get your legally owned gun back.

 

[TexasRifleman]

That said, there's nothing like depending on big brother for a lift, only to be dropped in a strange city unarmed and not knowing if you will ever get your legally owned gun back.

Again, in normal circumstances these people would be arrested and charged with illegal carrying of a weapon. They would face trial, be convicted, and lose the gun anyway. They would likely spend some time in jail for it.

Would you rather see that?

And frankly you're making quite an assumption on whether or not the guns were legally owned in the first place. Maybe they were, maybe they weren't.

The existing gun laws are the problem, but those didn't come up just this week. Those laws need to go..... focus on that.

Use this incident to show why carrying a legal weapon on public transportation should be a legal thing to do. Not just during a hurricane but every day.

That's how something like this could push things forward, not the crying of racism, stormtroopers, etc.

It's gun laws themselves that are racist and classist but that's nothing new.

 

[yokel]

Let us not be coy or disingenuous.

The reality of the matter is that poor blacks and the poor in general will be severely and disproportionally affected by this disarmament action.

That really doesn’t matter, does it?