Gustav gun confiscation underway

[SCKimberFan]

Uh, it's been illegal to carry, concealed or open, on public mass transit in pretty much every state for many many years now. On the interstate carriers, Greyhound, Amtrak and the airlines it's specifically against the law

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In GA you can carry on public transportation with a handgun permit. I realize this is not germaine to this thread but get correct information before posting.

 

[george29]

That said, there's nothing like depending on big brother for a lift, only to be dropped in a strange city unarmed and not knowing if you will ever get your legally owned gun back.

For all those on welfare; don't bite the hand that feeds you and please deposit your weapons before boarding the bus. This is the way of the socialist-liberal.

For those that worked all their lives and raised decent children; don't forget to take your weapons with you in your personal transportation to secure yourselves as you have always done. This is the way of the libertarian.

I don't criticize what I can't understand, but I did quit my previous job when they were sending me to Lake Charles, LA last month, I want nothing to do with LA after Katrina.

 

[Crunker1337]

Let us not call this even gun confiscation, but rather a display of how terrible laws that prevent carrying while in mass transit are.

 

[TexasRifleman]

In GA you can carry on public transportation with a handgun permit. I realize this is not germaine to this thread but get correct information before posting.

I did get correct information. I said it's illegal in pretty much every state. You've shown 1. So, it's still illegal in pretty much every state.

And you're right, it has little to do with this, but since you brought it up......

pretty much: (slang): Almost, nearly, approximately

 

[hso]

The Blackwater statement was a leap off a logical cliff. There is nothing, NADA, ZIP, anywhere that anyone can find saying anything about Blackwater being involved in anything having to do with Gustav (except for the fevered imagination of a brain overheated by too much tinfoil in the Labor Day Weekend sun). Made up BS.

Jump off that train of thought as quick as you can since it left the station with no one at the controls and his headed down the track with no destination.

It would do everyone a world of good if you'd just consider the front page of this to be misinformation. I won't attribute the sinister intent of disinformation and instead assume error instead of malice. That being the case, everyone should take a step back, get a good breath and shake off the adrenaline before posting.

 

[Mr_Rogers]

HSO,

Touchy, touchy !

This is a post by Denfoote

Blackwater is compiling a list of qualified security personnel for possible deployment into areas affected by Hurricane Gustav.
Applicants must meet all items listed under the respective Officer posting and be US citizens. Contract length is TBD.

Perhaps he made up his post but, having no reason to doubt him, it is clear that Blackwater is, at least, preparing for a possible "Contract" (note the use of that word) to temporarily supply security in NO.

Why are you so touchy on this subject, perhaps you could expand? The post from Denfoote appears to be a copy of an actual e-mail.

Your "East of Tennessee" address would suggest, North Carolina?

 

[TexasRifleman]

Why are you so touchy on this subject, perhaps you could expand?

Seriously dude, did you read what he wrote?

You are going to see the same confiscations as with Katrina. Blackwater is already marshaling it's forces!!
I suspect that Blackwater will be charged with disarming the populace, by deadly force,

We're supposed to take that crap seriously? That's just spewing for the sake of spewing.....

If Blackwater is being hired for post Gustav security there is nothing out there about it.

The email this guy quotes says:

Blackwater is compiling a list of qualified security personnel for possible deployment into areas affected by Hurricane Gustav.

So, Blackwater is gathering names just in case.. that's not quite the same thing is it? We'll see if it actually happens. Til then it's just rumor mongering.

 

[rbernie]

Let us not be coy or disingenuous.

The reality of the matter is that poor blacks and the poor in general will be severely and disproportionally affected by this disarmament action.

That really doesn’t matter, does it?

Of course it does. It's why the RKBA effort is so important. But it's got nothing to do with Gustav; it's a fact of life every day.

This thread has run quite a course; from illegal confiscations in violation of LA state law, to JBTs looting peoples homes, to Blackwater, and finally on to the meat of the matter - many gun laws target those who need protection most.

I agree with the latter conclusion, but cannot see how Gustav's presence/absence changes that. I couldn't legally carry on Greyhound last week, and I can't legally do it this week.

There is a positive take-away from what I saw in the CNN report; it does appear that the LEOs are relaxing enforcement of the no-carry restrictions and allowing people to ditch the weapons and get on board rather than simply herding them up and shipping them off to Holding until the storm passes. That makes sense from a lot of different perspectives, and I am gratified to see common sense employed.

 

[PTK]

So... since it's quite illegal for them to be taking your gun, is lethal force legal?

 

[rbernie]

So... since it's quite illegal for them to be taking your gun, is lethal force legal?

Dude, did you *read* the thread? They are not illegally taking guns - they are legally enforcing carry restrictions in mass transportation.

Your premise is flawed.

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Media Madness

Wow.

Whence comes this idea that the media presents accurate information meant to intelligently inform?

My own experience with the media is that their primary objective is 1) to keep people riled up, while 2) providing misdirection.

Those whose emotions are inflamed by TV images would to well to keep in mind that it's not about keeping you apprised of facts you need to know to conduct your life, it's about the drama and the ratings.

Delivered in a conservative tone of voice, of course.

Here's a suggestion: dig a little deeper.

When you see "facts" on TV, hear a "story" on TV, what you see and hear are INDICATORS that there is information to be had.

Major media doesn't deal in truth. It deals in emotion, laced with sufficient factual fragments to create the appearance of plausibility.

Dig a little deeper.

Contact people who are on the ground.

You know what takes work? Learning the truth of a story IN SPITE of what the media does.

See something inflammatory on "the tube?"

Investigate. There will usually be more. Often, there will be less.

 

[Mr_Rogers]

Texas Riflenan, HSO.

I did not say that Blackwater people were already deployed in NO. I said that they were preparing.

If Blackwater is being hired for post Gustav security there is nothing out there about it.

I provide a link to the Blackwater website.

http://www.blackwaterusa.com/jobs/default_contract.asp

If I can find the required link by a visit to the Blackwater website and you had no idea this is going on I suggest you both need an intel injection.

Designated Defensive Marksman (DDM)

Qualifications:
1. Three (3) years experience in defensive marksman skill sets to include;
(1) protective security advances and site assessments and
(2) Close Quarters Battle (CQB) techniques for clearing and occupying sites.
(3) Tactical firearms training,
(4) Sniper/Observer training, and
(5) high risk entry techniques.
2. Completed or served at least three (3) years in military, law enforcement, or executive commercial protection.
3. One (1) year of experience shall have been obtained in personal protection security assignments with demonstrated skill.
4. Three (3) years of training can be substituted for one (1) year of experience. A four (4) year degree may be substituted for one (1) year of training.
5. Experience can be gained in the employ of any Federal, State, or Local military or law enforcement agency or executive protection services with military, law enforcement or commercial entities.
6. Shall provide evidence of completion from an accredited Sniper School.

FOR FURTHER SCREENING SEND RESUME AND DD-214 TO: [email protected]

 

[Don Gwinn]

I have no doubt that Blackwater could be gearing up to go into hurricane-affected areas. They apparently turned a profit providing security and services after Katrina, and would like to turn a profit again.

If you want to say that they get such contracts because they're a semi-secret ultra-legal mercenary army created for the purpose of disarming the Great American Patriot, you need evidence.
Bring the evidence or be prepared for the fact that people aren't going to take your assertion seriously. It's that simple.
The first hurdle you'd have to leap to make that case is that not one police agency objected to the confiscations that happened after Katrina, and there were dozens represented. If the police on the scene didn't have a problem with it, why do we need evil mercenaries to do the job they won't do?

By the way, I was at Blackwater USA a week ago, and I didn't meet anybody there who sounded happy about gun control, much less confiscation. Granted, we didn't train with the secret mercenary ninjas, but the instructors, armorers and executives we met did not impress me as people who would be happy with the idea of confiscating weapons from citizens. They appear to make significant amounts of money training private citizens to shoot.

 

[csmkersh]

It's already illegal to carry a firearm on public transportation, has been for years.

Other than planes, I don't know of a federal law prohibiting firearms nor have I been able to locate a Louisiana law banning firearms on "public transportation." Would you provide a citation on that?
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[Don Gwinn]

Mr. Rogers, what was the DDM posting for? Was that intended for this thread? It doesn't seem to have anything to do with the discussion.
Did you intend to copy and paste the requirements for the hurricane positions?

 

[TexasRifleman]

Other than planes, I don't know of a federal law prohibiting firearms nor have I been able to locate a Louisiana law banning firearms on "public transportation."

All of the Interstate carriers; Greyhound, Amtrak, and the airlines all specifically ban it and have for a very long time.

Evacuations are interstate pretty much by definition.

This isn't an incident of riding the bus across town, this is interstate.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

Can you honestly say that NOLA residents who were evacutated after Katrina wouldn't expect a no weapon policy now?

Considering all the post-Katrina hoopla about the enaction of no fiscation laws ... yeah, I can see why some people might have believed their guns would not be confiscated.

 

[Mr_Rogers]

Sorry Don,
Since the DDM requirement was in the same text below the Gustav requirements I read it as a generic requirement. My error.

Regardless of this error, if you view the link, clearly Blackwater anticipates (anticipated) a job in NO. Thankfully for the NO residents it looks as though their return to NO is going to be much better than Katrina.

 

[AntiqueCollector]

I did get correct information. I said it's illegal in pretty much every state. You've shown 1. So, it's still illegal in pretty much every state.

Legal in VT to carry on public transportation (but not school buses).

 

[halfacop]

nevermind......it was already pointed out by the time I got my posting done....and explained.

Yes - BW is certainly begining to compile names for security in N.O. if needed. I would argue that they would be doing any type of organized gun confinscation however......

I would anticipate plenty of enforced curfew's but no door kicking and gun grabbing from law abiding citizen folk......

 

[TexasRifleman]

Legal in VT to carry on public transportation (but not school buses).

Across state lines? Interstate public transportation? That's the point here, interstate travel... again. This isn't about a bus ride across town.

I don't know of any interstate public carrier that allows firearms to be carried by passengers. If you know of one I'd love to see it.

I think it SHOULD be legal, but I don't know of any.

 

[Mr_Rogers]

Halfacop,
See my previous post.

 

[gc70]

Other than planes, I don't know of a federal law prohibiting firearms nor have I been able to locate a Louisiana law banning firearms on "public transportation." Would you provide a citation on that?

All of the Interstate carriers; Greyhound, Amtrak, and the airlines all specifically ban it and have for a very long time.

Links to the Greyhound and Amtrak policies prohibiting firearms; everyone seems well aware of the airline policies.

Link to the Louisiana concealed carry law, which states: "O. The provisions of Subsection N of this Section shall not limit the right of a property owner, lessee, or other lawful custodian to prohibit or restrict access of those persons possessing a concealed handgun pursuant to a permit issued under this Section." Which means Louisiana law allows airlines, or bus or train companies to restrict weapons.

Link to the Louisiana anti-confiscation law, which states: "H.(1) Nothing in this Section shall authorize the seizure or confiscation of any firearm or ammunition from any individual who is lawfully carrying or possessing the firearm..." Since the transportation companies say no weapons, it is not "lawfully carrying."

 

[lookn4varmints]

Being prepared doesn't just mean having a stockpile of food and ammo . . . . it also means being able to DRIVE your family our of harms way or otherwise not depend on lowest bidder transport in emergency if possible. It also means secure, lo profile storage when away from home.

Yea, boy! If you're unable to purchase a car, at least have some emergency money saved for a respectable cab ride out of town or make pre-evacuation arrangements with someone who owns a vehicle. Before I stepped on one of those "disarmament buses," I'd be shoving a $100 bill in some cabby's face and telling him to take me as far north as a 100 bucks will take me.

It appears as though private or alternate transportation may contribute more to the safety of a NOLA resident than a firearm if the NOLA resident is going to lose that firearm trying to get out of town.

BTW, this story originated on CNN.......'nuff said!

 

[Treo]

When I first saw this thread I was ready to jump in the raaaage against the machine pool W/ both feet. But upon further reading I find that we have a bunch of people, who could have made a better decision' waiting till the day the storm makes landfall and expecting Choclate Ray to come to their rescue.
And then you have the same people apparently illegally carrying concealed weapons.

WHAT DID YOU THINK WAS GONNA HAPPEN WHEN THEY TRIED TO GET ON THOSE BUSSES?

How about practicing a little self suficiency? How about thinking 3 years ago maybe I need to get a job and a car so the next time this happens I can get the HELL OUT W/out using Choclate Ray's Ghetto Bus Lines?

How about thinking " Gee the house I live in was under water last time, maybe I should move to Arizona?"

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