H&R Block Corporate Headquarters - What's a Texas 30.06 notice doing in Missouri?

[Yosemite Sam]

Kansas City, MO

I took this on my lunch break recently, since I pay attention to "posted" notices. I saw the 30.06 notice and coulda swore they were citing TEXAS LAW in Missouri, since as a Missouri CCW holder and instructor, I know that the law is written in RSMo Ch. 571 and doesn't have the language below:





Note: The white boxes are just my reflection.

Notice the huge spelling error: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (Trespass by Holder of Licensce to Carry..."



I gather from this one of several possibilities:

1) H&R Block's Corporate lawyers are buffoons.
2) They are trying to scare the ignorant masses who do not know better.
3) They may be truly anti-gun and have an agenda. Meaning I will have to change who I do my taxes with.
4) Their lawyers did this intentionally to deceive people.

 

[TexasRifleman]

LOL that's funny. I'm voting for #1 followed closely by #2. It's a very "official" sounding sign I suppose.

 

[Dnaltrop]

I knew Texas was big...

 

[tkaction]

I dont understand...MO law allows private corporations to post no firearms on their property. While the sign may belong to another state the action seems to be valid.


(15) Any private property whose owner has posted the premises as being off-limits to concealed firearms by
means of one or more signs displayed in a conspicuous place of a minimum size of eleven inches by fourteen
inches with the writing thereon in letters of not less than one inch. The owner, business or commercial lessee,
manager of a private business enterprise, or any other organization, entity, or person may prohibit persons
holding a concealed carry endorsement from carrying concealed firearms on the premises and may prohibit
employees, not authorized by the employer, holding a concealed carry endorsement from carrying concealed
firearms on the property of the employer. If the building or the premises are open to the public, the employer
of the business enterprise shall post signs on or about the premises if carrying a concealed firearm is
prohibited. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises shall not be a criminal offense so long as the
firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises. An employer
may prohibit employees or other persons holding a concealed carry endorsement from carrying a concealed
firearm in vehicles owned by the employer;

 

[oneounceload]

They may be truly anti-gun and have an agenda. Meaning I will have to change who I do my taxes with.

Correct!

 

[Owen Sparks]

H&R Block is private property. They can make whatever rules they want even if they can't spell.

 

[Yosemite Sam]

The point of this isn't about posting a sign, it's about citing another state's law. It's deceptive. Plus, it's not trespassing to enter this property. It only becomes trespassing if they ask you to leave and you refuse to leave.

 

[Hacker15E]

So...did you go in and talk to the manager about it?

 

[parsimonious_instead]

Kansas City, MO


Note: The white boxes are just my reflection.

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I'm sorry to hear that you appear as white boxes on a reflective surface. Have you spoken to a doctor about this problem?

 

[dogtown tom]

parsimonious_instead

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam
Kansas City, MO


Note: The white boxes are just my reflection.

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I'm sorry to hear that you appear as white boxes on a reflective surface. Have you spoken to a doctor about this problem?

+1
Many folks can function just fine with a block head.....but it appears as if its spread almost to your knees.

 

[Bubbles]

S'okay I can do my own taxes, thankyouverymuch!

 

[Colonel]

I dont understand...MO law allows private corporations to post no firearms on their property. While the sign may belong to another state the action seems to be valid.

I guess the fools wanted to use all this Texas law legalese to make it sound doubleplus illegal, so that if some homicidal lunatic shows up at the door planning to shoot the place to ribbons before killing himself, he'll know full and well that he's violating article 4413(29EE), Chapter 411, Subchapter H of the Government Code, by gosh, by golly ... and just might get in trouble! Wait 'til Dad gets home!

Yeah. That oughta stop him!

Too bad the rocket surgeons spelled "LICENSCE" wrong. Totally blew their cover.

 

[Zane]

The way I read that, as long as you aren't licensed under Texas law, you are fine to carry a concealed handgun there. IANAL.

 

[HankB]

IANAL, but from a legal standpoint, I think they might as well be posting something from Hammurabi's code as far as the law is concerned.

1. Since Texas law has no validity in Missouri, the sign is unenforceable and without legal standing; saying that you can't carry under a TX statute is meaningless outside of TX.

2. Since it isn't in TX, it wouldn't even affect a TX license holder carrying under the reciprocity agreement with Missouri.

3. I suggest you don't draw their attention to it, as they may decide to remove that sign and put up something that's valid and enforceable in Missouri.

 

[hirundo82]

It's the old language for the sign, so it wouldn't even be valid in Texas. The proper sign now cites Penal Code §30.06 rather than Government Code Chapter 411.

 

[627PCFan]

or.... you leave it alone...and since its not properly posted carry..(assuming no preemption in MO).

 

[mgkdrgn]

I gather from this one of several possibilities:

1) H&R Block's Corporate lawyers are buffoons.
2) They are trying to scare the ignorant masses who do not know better.
3) They may be truly anti-gun and have an agenda. Meaning I will have to change who I do my taxes with.
4) Their lawyers did this intentionally to deceive people.

You forgot #5

5) All of the above

 

[hermannr]

What a perfect reason to Open Carry! The window says you can't conceal the weapon. It says nothing about OC. If I remember my states laws correctly, OC if perfectly legal in MO? Correct?

Oh, BTW: I don't use H&R Block, never have. I use TurboTax, they have no restrictions on any carry...

 

[Yosemite Sam]

What a perfect reason to Open Carry! The window says you can't conceal the weapon. It says nothing about OC. If I remember my states laws correctly, OC if perfectly legal in MO? Correct?

Oh, BTW: I don't use H&R Block, never have. I use TurboTax, they have no restrictions on any carry...

IANAL.

For OC, there's no state pre-emption in MO. Meaning there's nothing stopping a county or city in explicitly making it illegal. And in MO, Kansas City and St. Louis are moderately anti-gun (like any big city).

Regarding Concealed Carry, there IS state pre-emption (assuming one has their CCW).

RSMo. Ch. 571 (click for link)

Ch. 571.107 Subsection 2:

2. Carrying of a concealed firearm in a location specified in subdivisions (1) to (17) of subsection 1 of this section by any individual who holds a concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to denial to the premises or removal from the premises. If such person refuses to leave the premises and a peace officer is summoned, such person may be issued a citation for an amount not to exceed one hundred dollars for the first offense. If a second citation for a similar violation occurs within a six-month period, such person shall be fined an amount not to exceed two hundred dollars and his or her endorsement to carry concealed firearms shall be suspended for a period of one year. If a third citation for a similar violation is issued within one year of the first citation, such person shall be fined an amount not to exceed five hundred dollars and shall have his or her concealed carry endorsement revoked and such person shall not be eligible for a concealed carry endorsement for a period of three years. Upon conviction of charges arising from a citation issued pursuant to this subsection, the court shall notify the sheriff of the county which issued the certificate of qualification for a concealed carry endorsement and the department of revenue. The sheriff shall suspend or revoke the certificate of qualification for a concealed carry endorsement and the department of revenue shall issue a notice of such suspension or revocation of the concealed carry endorsement and take action to remove the concealed carry endorsement from the individual's driving record. The director of revenue shall notify the licensee that he or she must apply for a new license pursuant to chapter 302 which does not contain such endorsement. A concealed carry endorsement suspension pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 shall be reinstated at the time of the renewal of his or her driver's license. The notice issued by the department of revenue shall be mailed to the last known address shown on the individual's driving record. The notice is deemed received three days after mailing.​

So, if discovered they can ask you to leave. If you refuse to leave, a police officer can be summoned and slap a $100 citation but no CCW suspension/revocation.

But, "concealed means concealed" so you won't even be discovered. And, anyone with the poor attitude/idiocy who refuses to leave is just making all gun and CCW people look bad.

 

[hermannr]

YS. A concealed permit gives you permission to conceal, it doesn't mean you must conceal. The concealed permit USUALLY carries preemption with it.

If MO is like other states, preemption goes with the permit, not with the fact you are concealed or not. If OC is legal in MO (it is), and there is no state law that specifically states you cannot OC (there is not that I know of), and state law carries preemption over local law for licensed carry (it does, at least in my understanding) then you should be able to OC anywhere you can conceal, as long as you have a concealed permit.

When you obtain a license to drive a car, that does not mean you can no longer walk anywhere??? no?

In TX it is explictly illegal to OC, that in not the case in MO. If you have a permit to carry concealed, the preemption that goes with that permit works into OC also.

In the case of H&R Block, they have explicitly stated you cannot conceal, but they have not explicitly stated you cannot carry. The reason TX law is written as it is, is becasue you cannot OC in public in TX, so there is no reason to even allude to that possibility.

As for tresspass, sure, they can ask you to leave, but until they do, they cannot charge you with tresspass. (IMHO, even if you were to conceal. TX law means nothing in MO) Personally, if they were to not personally to tell you to leave, but called the cops instead...not only would you not be tresspassed, but the cop would probably laugh his head off when you pointed out the reference to TX law, and not even try to charge you.