Austin TX: Alamo Drafthouse Lake Creek does not allow CCW

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I would also point out that this also bans off duty police officers from carrying as well... bet they love that.

That being said, concealed is concealed. It not a legal sign. I don't try to make mention of the fact that it isn't, why force them to change it? Besides being hard to see, it clearly does NOT apply to CHL holders. If they were smart enough to find it then they should be smart enough to post it correctly if they feel they don't want legal guns in their establishment.

I carry there. The law SPECIFICALLY states what a legal sign is. They chose not to follow this. To me (and my lawyer) this is just another ghostbuster sign. I am not saying that if by some itty bitty chance that you may get arrested, but it would be false arrest. It would be the same as getting arrested for running a stop sign that was posted POTS and in green. There are laws on how signs have to be displayed correctly to be enforceable. This is clearly not.

If the place gets shot up by some gang banger and you "could have helped" you have no legal responsibility to do so either. Pardon the French, protect your own ass, let those who choose to follow a different path have their rewards when it's due, good or bad.
 
First... I am not a lawyer.
However, it would seem that they had the intention of making the sign enforceable. A person may beat the rap on technicality, but will take the ride an d need a lawyer.

The gunbuster signs are so obviously not a 'real' attempt, and the only thing enforceable is to ask you to leave.

A 30.06 sign that isn't 100% accurate will bring you more hassle than you really want to deal with.

A little judicious searching will find this thoroughly discussed.

Just my .02
 
I drove by the Lake Creek Alamo Drafthouse yesterday. I had always envisioned the 30.06 sign would be much bigger. I had to get out of my truck to see it. It is posted next to the ticket booth. It is in both English and Spanish, and appears to conform. One inch, contrasting block letters. I wonder, however, what the outcome would be if someone else bought the tickets and a CCW holder entered through the doors without ever going to the ticket booth. You can't see it if you don't buy a ticket first.

I sent an email to Lake Creek but have not heard back. This is the first 30.06 sign I have seen though, so I guess that's good.
 
A 30.06 sign that isn't 100% accurate will bring you more hassle than you really want to deal with.

A little judicious searching will find this thoroughly discussed.
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All conjecture though. I don't believe anyone has actually gone to court over the argument yet, or even been arrested over it.
 
TexasRifleman,

You are correct in the conjecture on my part. I was referring to contents of older threads along this topic.

And, I too, have not heard of an arrest on such. Just my way of saying that I'm not going to squabble if the letters are 15/16" and not 1".
 
I am very disappointed by this. We don't go extremely often, but when we go to the movies the Alamao Lake Creek is always our first choice.

I just emailed the following letter to the Alamo Lake Creek:

Greetings Lauren,

There is a great deal of discussion going on regarding the posting of 30.06 signs prohibiting legal concealed handgun carry in your theaters.

I would simply like to point out to you that the people you are excluding are law abiding people. Anyone who obeys your posted notice clearly is not the kind of person who would be a danger in your theater. Conversely, it tells the very people you truly wish to exclude that there will be no one in your theater able to defend themselves from an armed robber.

As has been evidenced by a number of recent tragedies, so called gun-free zones do not save lives. They create killing fields for those who wish to become famous.

As a law abiding person who has a CHL and carries a handgun anywhere I legally can I am disappointed that I will no longer be watching movies while eating dinner at my formerly first-choice theater.

Respectfully,
Kenneth Kornblum
Cedar Park, TX
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I wonder if it might actually be possible to sway the thoughts of others by flipping the coin?

"We don't go to your place because of recent events.. We're scared of gun free zones."

I mean it stands to reason, right? Surrounded by a bunch of defenseless sheep and armed criminals (if they're armed they're breaking the law = criminal) sounds like a great idea.
 
Email sent, no response yet. What sucks, is I have been to this theater fairly regularly, but never saw the sign.
 
The sign is hard to see. It is up with a bunch of other crap, all on the same type of 81/2 by 11 paper. You really have to be looking for it. And again, like I said, it is not posted on the doors, so if you don't buy a ticket (if someone buys it for you) you would never see it.
 
Lauren is trying to pass the buck now. Someone on ar15.com received the following reply concerning their 30.06 sign.

Hi SBR and thanks for writing. Unfortunately, those of us who receive this email, including myself, are unable to dictate any policy at our store... including the one you are referencing in this chain of emails. We are the management, but not final decision makers. If you would like to further discuss this policy with someone above us, please contact [email protected] and the owner will get back to you. I believe the owner has contacted the TABC recently over inquiries about our signage, which has been posted for nearing a year now. Again, I apologize that I cannot bring more to the table, but I am only a representative of the policy and not, contrary to the popular belief in many of the emails I have received, personally responsible for this decision. I hope the redirection is helpful to you. Happy Holidays!

Yours,

Lauren S. Rogers
General Manager
Alamo Drafthouse Lake Creek
512.219.7803
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In her original reply to me, she said "I do support my businesses decision to post that signage."
 
So the title of this thread should read NOT instead of NOW?

Shoot... I thought it had been changed to bring some good news.
 
Very glad to hear that this is just one single branch of the Drafthouse. The food is only okay, but they have some great showings of films not shown in the mainstream movie theaters.

Very glad that someone looked into this and narrowed it down to one franchise before folks got too aggressive about contacting the overall company.
 
I thought you can't carry in places that served alcohol.
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No, that's not the case in Texas. In Texas you can carry in places that serve alcohol as long as they don't derive more than 50 percent of their income from alcohol sales.

So, restaurants that serve alcohol are OK for carry.

If it's a 51% place there's a sign from the Liquor Control Board that shows it. (most of the time)


A 30.06 sign that isn't 100% accurate will bring you more hassle than you really want to deal with.

A little judicious searching will find this thoroughly discussed.
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Thoroughly conjectured you mean. As far as I can find out no one has actually been arrested for carrying in a place with an incorrect 30.06 sign. It's all just a wild guess how it would play out until it actually happens.
 
Cool. I bet some Alamo's are very close though. $9 for a small bottle of lager...:eek:
 
The signs are GONE?!? Well holy chit and hot d@mn! I am flabbergasted, have pigs started to fly?

Good news indeed! I would like to thank each and everyone of you that took the effort to get them down.

Now, my normal stance on this was, the sign was very, very, tiny too tiny in fact for these old eyes to see. Seeing that the required size by Texas law is 1" or larger and would take up almost and entire full sized door, I could never actually "see" ;) a "legal" posting that I am required by law to notice before entering an establishment.

Don't ask don't tell, I didn't see a legal sign, they didn't ask if I was carrying. Works out great.

Normally they will "fix" it to legal status once they are aware of the improper posting and instead of educating them on the proper legalities I leave it as is.

Now once when I was in the north Baby A's on 35 I entered into the "bar" area and there was a 51% sign. I was not carrying at the time due to the fact that I was intending on caching a "buzz". I noticed the sign after reaching such and it was posted behind the bar. I called and asked for the manager and told him about the posting and that if indeed the establishment was 51% and explained to him what that meant that it needed to be posted on the front door and that I, as a CHL holder would have broken the law if I had actually carried it into the business without proper notification.

He smiled said thank you and walked over and tore it off the wall :)

The next time I was in, they has posted the normal "unlicensed" carrying signing for any business that sells alcohol. Worked out great!
 
If they have changed their policy, it is time for everybody to write and thank them. Then go be a good customers. That will show the true power and character of our community.

We are quick with the stick, make sure we are just as quick with the carrot.

Good news!
 
I have been in Austin for two years for school. I think all responses by Alamo Drafthouse were more than adequate.

One of the managers was in my store a few weeks ago and gave me a $10 gift card because she said I'd been helpful.

I will continue to support Alamo.
 
bigboomer wrote:

I would also point out that this also bans off duty police officers from carrying as well... bet they love that.
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actually that is incorrect. peace officers do not carry under authority of a CHL, they carry under 46.15 Penal Code (nonapplicability section to 46.02). thus the 51% sign and the 30.06 signage does not restrict off duty peace officers, nor does it prohibit a Level IV Licensed Personal Protection Officer while on duty providing personal protection to a client. that is because they carry under authority of 1702 Occupations Code.

however, you're right in the sense that the owner or his representative can tell an off duty officer to leave with his gun, or prevent entry, so long as the officer is off-duty and is just there enjoying a movie.
 
don't have much to add to this thread, but i would like to thank the original poster and everyone else who made effort in communicating with alamo.
 
Truly spectacular guys. I'm proud to have you all as part of my gun culture.

The appreciation e-mails and notification of intent to support e-mails are a good idea.
 
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