Hakim and AG42s

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I'm kind of new to the semi auto scene, after a failed negotiation to get an SKS, I'm looking at other rifles. Anyone care to comment on these rifles, and what a good price is for them? With SKS prices on the rise, I feel the need to look at other military rifles.
 
They are very neat battle rifles the are the epitome of the developmental dead end that was the semiautomatic battle rifle.

I had the AG42b which was built with the utmost quality. It was accurate, reliable although heavy and extremely long.

BUT

As a semiauto newb I recommend against either quite strongly as both guns are very idiosyncratic pieces that can be downright dangerous if certain ammunition precautions aren't taken, parts are nonexistent as is ammunition. Leave these to the collectors and hardcore milsurp rifle nerds.

And before you guys chime in and say that 7.92x57 and 6.5x55 are easy to get you must understand that the wrong 8mm surplus on the wrong gas setting (hakim) can pretty much blow the rifle up and that pretty much ALL commercial 6.5x55 (ag42) will beat the rifle to pieces (and make it blow up in your face too eventually)


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Your better off with an M1 Garand or M1 Carbine. Common, easy to get ammo, and parts are also easy to get.

But if you want to get a collection of obscure battle rifles, those two are great additions. I'd also recommend the K43.
 
An FN49 would be a good candidate other than price. You might be able to find a Rashid (basically a Hakim in 7.62x39) for a decent price.
 
@Murphy

I collect and shoot mostly foreign rifles, I have little affinity for a Garand or Carbine. Mainly the carbine is a long barreled pistol and I can't use peep sights that are close to my eye.

Looks like a VZ-58 or AKM is what I'll have to get....
 
The SKS is about the cheapest semi-auto battle rifle out there...I can't think of any cheaper. The AKs are probably the next cheapest (depending on the AK in question...as some of them can go for over $1000 but many are ~$500 or less). Good luck and enjoy!
 
Yeah, I had a 275 deal on a chinese SKS, but the guy kept postponing the FTF, so I told him to find another buyer. Now, most shows have 525 for just a lowly yugo (I will not buy a Yugo) and LG stores don't have them stocked. And now, I'm just <deleted> sick of them.
 
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Pardon my frankness but how much of gun dealin failure do you have to be to not be able to score an SKS for well under $350

Aside from mosins SKS's are pretty much the cheapest Centerfire rifles you can buy

If you can't score an SKS your certainly not gonna pick up a Hakim Rasheed or AG42 for too much under a grand


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Not with the Garand, commercial ammo isn't loaded correctly for a M1 Garand. Its only recommended to use the original ammo or reload following a recipe that equals that loading.

The Vz. 58 is like a AK 47 and uses the same magazines and caliber but when the bolt locks open, you can load the magazine directly with a stripper clip. The FAL also can be used with stripper clips with the right upper but its more expensive.
 
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You can find SKSs on gun broker for under $250 if you're patient and look frequently.
 
Yeah, I deal only with auction arms atm, because Gbroker has that stupid charge for a free email (its trite if you ask me) and their terms favor the seller more than the buyer.

Dale,

Locally speaking, prices are well above my budget. I will not pay more than 275 for any SKS because for a hundred more (it will take me a while to get another 100, I'm unemployed and priorities at the minute are not on my gun budget.) I can get an AKM pattern rifle from a friend (and no, I will not borrow money).
 
Most online vendors have Yugo SKS rifles for around $300-350 (for instance J&G, Atlantic Firearms and Samco Global). Tack on $25 for a transfer fee and you're still a good $150-200 below the apparent local price in your area (you must have some pretty unscrupulous gun stores in your area).

Most bottom rung AKs will probably be in the $450-500 range but if you go that route, make sure you do some reasearch on what things to check before purchasing...bottom rung AKs are known to have their issues, but if you know what to look for you can often find one in decent shape. IMHO, an SKS is probably in general going to be a nicer rifle than a cobbled together bottom tier AK.

It might be worth looking into buying an SKS online and having it transferred...or buy an AK online and have it transferred (I'm guessing if SKS prices are so high in your area, the AK prices will be inflated as well). If money is wicked tight, you might want to look into an AK-74 varient rifle as 5.45x39 ammo is significantly cheaper than 7.62x39 (probably about 1/2 the cost). If you can't find a dealer to do a reasonable transfer, it's probably worth looking into getting a C&R. They only cost $30 bucks and I've well made up the cost of mine in savings on ammo, transfer fees, etc. The Yugo SKS rifles are classified as C&R and so you could have it sent directly to your door.

FIVETWOSEVEN and R.W.Dale are both right, the commercial (I believe Federal has an "M1 Garand" .30=06 loading) and even the surplus stuff isn't real cheap. You can buy a Schuster or McMann (or something to that effect) adjustable gas plug. I have the Schuster and it works quite well but I generally just leave the original plug in and fire surplus M2 Ball. It's expensive ammo but the Garand is a ton of fun to shoot (and a CMP Garand is about the best thing you could spend $600 on). I've cut back on firing other fairly expensive chambered rifles (instead plinking with my 5.45x39 or .22lr) and saving my ammo budget to buy surplus M2 in bulk.
 
If cheap is the limiting factor, then it would be really difficult to pick a more perfect pair of matches than the SKS or the AKM clones.

For whatever reason, the SKS seems to fit your requirements better.

Complaining that your SKS deal fell through, so you're going to look for a Hakim, is a bit like saying that you didn't get a good deal on a bicycle, so the next logical step is to look for a used unicycle. :D They're rare, they're pricey, and they're quirky to the point of folks being a bit concerned you might end up hurting yourself. Not a rifle for someone new to auto-loaders.

I don't know why you're against the Yugo SKSs, but I'll offer that AIM does have them in stock HERE, with the following note:
These Rifles were originally manufactured in the early 1970's by Zastava Arms. In 2010 they were rebuilt, cleaned and refinished utilizing new unissued barrels by TRB (Bosnia). These are pristine rifles as the pictures show and a must for collectors!
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So good barrels, no corrosive ammo damage, NOT the grenade-launcher version. Seems like they'd be hard to pass up, even at $380.

(Never mind, I guess...just saw your post about maximum price. Looks like you already have a very good deal waiting on the table for you to come up with an extra $100. Good luck!)
 
Have you looked at local classifieds? Of the classified here at THR, for that matter? There are lots of options with less hassle than online auctions.

FWIW, I think Yugo SKSs are pretty nice guns. Yugo AKs are some of my favorites...

The Vz. 58 is like a AK 47 and uses the same magazines
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The AK and VZ58 use the same ammo, but totally different mags. You can't interchange them, nor will any other parts interchange between the guns (aside from maybe the front sight post). They are very different guns internally, despite looking similar.
 
My affinity for the Hakim and AG42 was b/c a while ago my friend picked a Hakim up on consignment, for 250. It has a fair barrel and according to the LGS owner he got it from, he got one in before it in about the same condition for the same price. I like the accuracy of it, he put a scope on it and although loud, it makes a good longer range rifle.

Sam

I like the chrome lined barrel if I were to get an SKS, I can get cheap x39 surplus cheaply from my local gunsmith's catalogue and I prefer the ease of cleaning. Also, I don't have 400+ to spend on, considering FFL transfer and shipping anticipated. I also have a friend at a gun club who had one, and highly recommended I get a chinese or Russian instead.

As for the C&R, I'm only 20.
 
I like the chrome lined barrel if I were to get an SKS, I can get cheap x39 surplus cheaply from my local gunsmith's catalogue and I prefer the ease of cleaning.
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Sure, but the chrome-lined bore doesn't really make cleaning easier -- it just slightly reduced the amount and speed of corrosion if you DON'T clean. Useful for military troops in the field, during a war, when they can't take the proper care.

But as a civilian, you're going to want to clean that rifle with some hot water right away anyway. Remember, the bore is far from the only place that corrosive residue ends up. If you're cleaning properly (water, dry, scrub out, then oil) it doesn't make a bit of difference whether the bore is chromed or not.

Also, I don't have 400+ to spend on, considering FFL transfer and shipping anticipated
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Certainly that's compelling.

I also have a friend at a gun club who had one, and highly recommended I get a chinese or Russian instead.
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The Chinese are fine. The Russians are very nice, indeed, but you won't likely find one in your price range these days. Mine was $212 from a dealer ... but that was in about 1992! :) Last prices I saw on original condition Russian SKSs was nearing $500.

As for the C&R, I'm only 20.
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Patience is a virtue. Time's gonna fix that for you. ;)
 
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