Half the servicos aventuras primers I have used fail

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CQB45ACP said:
Rough idea how many? 10,000? Scratch that. 20,000.
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That's 12,696. The best advice anyone gave me when I started reloading was record everything, It was from a real old guy at the range who's been long dead.

The hardest thing was copying all that data out a log book to Excel, not that sucked because there was over 25 years of data. ;)
 
dannyd said:
Here's my used primers from 2023, many an SA is in amongst them. :)

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Lol! Nice. Here's my expended primer jug from the past 3 months. Its only half full, its an 8lb tg jug with 10 lbs of old primers. Only about 1/3 are SA...so maybe 6k or so. Apparently they all went bang because I don't recall pushing any bullets out with the decap pin :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:






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I had some SA primers act picky in .38 Spls., even with proper primer seating.

But I was running short do the 1,500 I bought got me through a dry spell.

Stay safe.
 
castile said:
When I started out in my profession many years ago. People would tell me and be very upset that I was so young. They would say I do not know what I am doing. Until the work was done and they either said nothing or would say "man you really know what you are doing. " Experience comes with age to be sure. But I do not take hear say from anyone no matter how many gray hairs they have or lack. I have seen some really dumb idiot older people and some really dumb younger ones. I will grant that most older ones have the better hind sight than a younger person. But its not an absolute rule. There are many many exceptions.
One of the big ones I have argued with many older ones who are just out and out wrong, is that WD 40 causes gumming or it drys out and gums up, or its got water in it, fish oil, is a pure solvent and has no lubricating capabilities at all.

I have used WD for 60 plus years. Its is a very good product. It has no fish oil in it, its has no water in it, It is a lubricant [a light lube but a lube non the less.] It is has solvents in it but also a 3 in one oil. I have seen major gun channels on YouTube by some older gun shop owners and they have said some stupid things about WD. One is it gums up when it dries. It does not. I proved this by doing my own video taking a cup of WD [I buy it by the gallon] and letting it set for a few months. The solvent evaporated off and what was left was a 3 in one type of clear oil. What does happen is no one or only a very few actually strip a gun down to its very smallest components and clean them after they shoot it. If if its not shot dust and dirt will collect if its not kept in some bag or at least a gun case. Over the years cracks and crevices get Sebum from humans handling it, oils and solvents that go into these cracks and crevices and then over the years dry out. WD will get into these soften that crud and then it comes out, the solvent dries and leaves that crud behind.

I have been told that WD will rust metal. LOL that is a really good one. I have seen tests done with all kinds of oil and base lines that show that WD40 holds up really well to the salt water used to promote the rust on the treated metal. Its not the best but far far from the worst. It is usually in the top 10 I do not use WD as the only lube but I do use it as a penetrating oil, to coat parts and blued guns for protection. I do add in either Marvel Mystery oil or 3 in one to give it more oil to solvent ratio.

Try to convince someone of this that already believes anecdotal evidence or correlation is causation is near impossible. They put WD on it now there is some gummy brown crud on their gun. WD there for dries gummy. I have used it for years and my guns one I bought in 1974 my first 22 and it looks like the day I bought it.

This is why I don't take what is hear say as evidence. Because its not. I am not saying I will not be proven wrong. But I will have to be PROVEN wrong.
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I’m anxious to hear the latest! Been shooting yet? I know it’s only been a few days.
 
castile said:
So I just unloaded the rounds. This is strange. I used the same box of primers for the 9 and 380. When the 380 failed at the range I tried it a few times on double action to strike the primer a few times before trying another round. Same on the 9. I pulled all the bullets and then put the bad primed case in both the same guns and they fired. I have no idea why. My primer is a Hornady hand press. It puts the primers flush with the bottom of the case. I check so I don't get a slam fire. Any ideas?
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When I field trialed those primers I found they were as good or better than others. They are similar to a SRP or SPM in hardness though and may have FTF in some handguns with lighter firing pin strikes.

SD and FPS was a little better than federal SRPs and CCI SP. SD was same and FPS was a hair below CCI SRP (-7 fps ave with same charge).

In 223 bolt rifle they work fine but you will see some pierced primers if you load too 5.56 NATO pressures in a bolt gun but the same thing happens if you use CCI SRP. Have seen no issue in self loaders with more freebore.

In full power 357 mag w/ W296 SDs are single digit and powder burn is clean.
 
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I finally got a chance to go to the range. My association range is closed due to someone shooting a rifle over the berm and it hitting a house a mile and a half way. They are closed until they can get the berm's higher and put in some baffles. So I loaded 4 groups of 9mm. All to be shot with the same gun. I used CCI in a test control. I used the same hand priming system I used for the first batch. Then I loaded up a group that used the Hornady priming that is on my press, single stage. Then I used the new hand priming Franklin Arsenal. The CCI preformed flawless, the servicos aventuras same story in every group. Although I have to say it seemed like less failures and some of the failures would fire on second strike. So as I assumed it is the primers not a seating issue. for those who say they have no issue, could be a batch thing, could be your pistol strikes harder than the Ruger SR9. But in the end its the primers.

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During one of the Obama shortages, large pistol primers were scarce (2012). I found and bought a bunch of actual Russian primers. Apparently, they are a bit larger than US primers in that they seat hard. It's a noticeable difference. When loading 45 ACPS on the Dillon, I need to put some effort into really seating them well. With my Springfield there are no issues. With the Glocks, I still get occasional misfires. They always fire on the second strike. If I don't put in the seating effort, I get misfires on both pistols. I don't have this issue using anything else except Wolf primers which again are Russian primers. Consequently, I only use these primers in target and 3 gun ammo. Perhaps the servicos aventuras are the same way.
 
emb said:
During one of the Obama shortages, large pistol primers were scarce (2012). I found and bought a bunch of actual Russian primers. Apparently, they are a bit larger than US primers in that they seat hard. It's a noticeable difference. When loading 45 ACPS on the Dillon, I need to put some effort into really seating them well. With my Springfield there are no issues. With the Glocks, I still get occasional misfires. They always fire on the second strike. If I don't put in the seating effort, I get misfires on both pistols. I don't have this issue using anything else except Wolf primers which again are Russian primers. Consequently, I only use these primers in target and 3 gun ammo. Perhaps the servicos aventuras are the same way.
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Could be the hardness, could be the lot I got these from. But in the end these are only good for range ammo. Not a primer that one should put their life on the line. I would avoid these unless you can not get anything else, then only for range.
 
castile said:
The CCI preformed flawless, the servicos aventuras same story in every group. Although I have to say it seemed like less failures and some of the failures would fire on second strike. So as I assumed it is the primers not a seating issue
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Primers firing on a second strike is a classic not seated all the way symptom.
 
castile said:
I finally got a chance to go to the range. My association range is closed due to someone shooting a rifle over the berm and it hitting a house a mile and a half way. They are closed until they can get the berm's higher and put in some baffles. So I loaded 4 groups of 9mm. All to be shot with the same gun. I used CCI in a test control. I used the same hand priming system I used for the first batch. Then I loaded up a group that used the Hornady priming that is on my press, single stage. Then I used the new hand priming Franklin Arsenal. The CCI preformed flawless, the servicos aventuras same story in every group. Although I have to say it seemed like less failures and some of the failures would fire on second strike. So as I assumed it is the primers not a seating issue. for those who say they have no issue, could be a batch thing, could be your pistol strikes harder than the Ruger SR9. But in the end its the primers.

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Could be either or even both a batch thing/pistol thing or an operator thing, but it still sucks and is far worse than anyone else reporting around here. So, do you have another pistol to try? Shame you can't just send em to me.
 
Walkalong said:
Primers firing on a second strike is a classic not seated all the way symptom.
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It is absolutely not a seating issue. I pressed every one on every priming system two or three times to make sure they were seated well. I would say it could be a hard primer or batch of primers that were not made up to spec. It could be a combo of the Ruger SR9 and a hard primer or defective batch. I will load up some 357 and 45 acp and see if they have any issue. If it was a choice between these primers an other primers that are not known for issues I would give these a pass. I have read other posts on Youtube and other places of people having the same issue as I am. I highly doubt its a seating issue with them also. I know it is not with me.
 
It’s something. If the primers were that bad they wouldn’t sell them. Lots of people use them with no issues.
 
He is not the only one. A guy here has had sporadic misfires with SA primers. Hard seating and a fresh striker spring have apparently eliminated them but he still uses them only for practice ammo.
 
bullseye308 said:
How are you cleaning your cases? Dry tumble or wet? Maybe that could contribute?
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I use corn media dry. I use a reamer for primer pockets to clean the pocket. I have never had any issue with primers before this. It happened with these primers on my wife's PPK and my Ruger. There are several posts on Youtube showing the same issue, and others who have blogged about it. Its just not a seating issue.
 
castile said:
I use corn media dry. I use a reamer for primer pockets to clean the pocket. I have never had any issue with primers before this. It happened with these primers on my wife's PPK and my Ruger. There are several posts on Youtube showing the same issue, and others who have blogged about it. Its just not a seating issue.
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Borrow a 1911 if you’re able. I’ll wager five bucks 100% go bang.
 
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