No, you're not learning anything. Like most people, you already had your mind made up and are just throwing a tantrum because I told you you were wrong.
I'm not cherry-picking or misrepresenting what you said. I'm quoting your words and responding to them. You believe a lot of things that are not true.
Razor Dobbs is doing something shocking to make a name for himself. You don't know what happened during filming. You only saw what they wanted you to see. I've seen how they make hunting shows. I know how they use what footage they get to tell the story they want to tell. That's why when I posted the videos of my water buffalo, I left it intact in one continuous scene from the first shot to the approach, so everyone would see things as they actually happened. People like you watch idiots like Dobbs and conclude that the 10mm is a Cape buffalo cartridge. I've known people who've taken Cape buffalo with handguns and some that have said they'd hunt one with the 10mm like Dobbs did. But only if something else was paying for it. What does that tell you? It only confirms what we already knew. That the 10mm is severely lacking in terminal performance, no matter how bad some people want it to be magic.
Let me ask you this, what is it about the 10mm that makes it so that the knowledge we gained from 100yrs of handgun hunting somehow does not apply? How is it that a 240gr at 1200fps out of the .44Mag is a cheap Winchester white box deer load but somehow a 220gr 10mm is Cape buffalo medicine? The answer is that it isn't. The same knowledge and experience that deems the 240gr load as a deer load, also deem the 10mm as strictly a deer cartridge. The only difference is that hardcore 10mm fans who repeat the same crap that you've repeated here have no frame of reference other than the 10mm. They came from the semi-auto world where the G19 is the be-all, end-all of human existence and when they decided they wanted to hunt with one or carry one afield, they chose something closest to what they were already familiar with. The Glock 10mm. Then somehow they're able to convince themselves that not only is it viable but it's actually better than other choices. Despite the FACT that they have service auto accuracy, crap triggers, coarse sights and are only chambered in moderately powerful cartridges like the 10mm. It's purely wishful thinking by people who don't know any better.
I don't choose to hunt with a revolver because I'm a revolver guy and that's just all I'm going to choose. I do so because they are the best tool for the job. They have excellent sights, are very accurate and are chambered in cartridges that will get the job done. But that's not all I hunt with. I hunt with a variety of .22 autos and two years ago I got into the TC Contender. Of course, when you hunt with a revolver rather than a single shot, you consciously compromise on effective range and accept their limitations in that regard. You don't pretend those limitations do not exist like 10mm Kool Aid drinkers tend to do.
Buddy, you're doing it again.
I. Am. Not. Disagreeing. With. The. Overall. Context. Of. What. You're. Saying.
I'm disagreeing with the straw man arguments that you're attributing to me. Who are you arguing with? You're arguing against points that I never made. You're using me as a boogie-man from things people have said all over the internet and lumping me in.
Straw-mans all day.
It's like if I said I picked a Ford Ranger over a Tacoma, and you're arguing that I said Toyota is trash. Not the same.
This is going to be long, but let me rephrase everything again.
-hunting options and defense options take into account different considerations. I handgun hunted with an 8" revolver. There's no way I would carry that as my defense side arm. High fence hunting on a ranch in warm Texas is very different than backpacking the wilderness in cold Alaska. From vehicles to outfits to gear to guns, there's other things to consider.
-even using a rifle, vital shots (heart/lungs) on an angry Brownie do not guarantee an instant kill. Hence, my argument that head shots or CNS shots are the most reliable way to drop a Brownie meaning to eat me. I ignore shoulder shots because a charging bear presents little scapular real estate.
-i never said 10mm is the be-all-end-all. Obviously a magnum cartridge revolver has more velocity, mass, energy, momentum. I don't even own a 10mm right now, so claiming I think it is king is wrong.
-10mm (and 45 Super) only have advantages in platform if that platform is advantageous to use (if and only if).
-revolvers have drawbacks to semis. Revolvers have advantages to semis. It depends on the situation.
-in regards to overall "power", I prefer rifle over handgun. Ignoring the apples/oranges of 308 vs 500 (308 still has plenty of attributes over 500 and that's not even getting into bigger or magnum cartridges), making things equal, a 500 can match 45-70 only with like 40% more pressure. BUT THATS NOT THE POINT.
-my point was, even with a magnum rifle, or magnum handgun, there are no guarantees. So don't bank on your magnum. You still need perfect shot placement on a charging animal whether your round is big or small, fast or slow
-you don't need a magnum to break through a bear's skull. It helps. But you have to hit it first.
-when I mentioned 10mm killing things, Bell hunting elephants with 7mm Mauser, it's to prove a point that there are no absolutes and using "I used this for hunting" is not a check-mate level argument. It's great info, but it's secondary to you falsely attributing claims that I made
-if I had one controlled shot in a hunting situation, I would take a big bore all day. But every post I made before you tried to strawman me was about self defense. I can get a faster and more accurate (with speed) shot using my auto vs any of my revolvers from a draw with gear.
-I carry 45 Super, 255gr hard cast. Because I'm good with it. I know there's compromises. But I can get a well placed round downrange faster than with any of my revolvers.
-the reason 10mm is popular is because many people understand the compromise (yes, not all people). Not because people think that 10mm is better than 44 or others (again not all).
So don't say "you said this, you said that". Yes, your magnums are more better in many situations, but not all. Most cartridges have evidence of working on most animals, whether ethical or ideal or not. Shot placement matters. Everything is a compromise.
And just because I see 10mm as a viable option, does not mean that I 100% agree with every argument of every person that likes 10mm.
I agree with all your posts in the context you made (especially in regards to magnums and hunting). I don't agree with you taking me out of context.
I don't know how many more times I can rephrase this for you to take it and go in a different direction.
