Has DA/SA gone out of style?

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  1. Mike J

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    Yep. Not many manufacturers make DA/SA pistols anymore. The only one I have owned is a Ruger P-series. My biggest dislike with it was the slide mounted safety. Unless I am mistaken the Sig pistols don't have that feature. While I have never owned or shot a Sig I have always thought they were very nice guns. I've always kind of wanted a P-229.

    As for striker fired I have owned a Springfield XD & an inexpensive Taurus that I no longer own. Currently I own a M&P 2.0 Compact & a Kahr CM9. If you are interested in owning a striker fired pistol I would suggest taking your time & finding one that you believe you like. Get it & shoot the snot out of it. Then decide whether or not to keep your Sigs. I definitely would not just sell them & move to something completely different just because of a comment someone made. Maybe try in addition not instead of.
     
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  2. .455_Hunter

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    No. The is NOTHING superior about polystrikers. The sole viable example of the breed for me is the P99AS, as mentioned.
     
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  3. Tallball

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    For me it's like choosing a woman.

    I'm not more or less interested in one because of some category: their exact age or height or thickness or features .

    It's a synergy. It's how we work together.

    I have to know them a lot better than knowing a category. We have to give it some time and see how well we mesh.

    There are DAO I love, SAO, striker-fired, DA/SA, revolvers... every kind.

    And some of each that I just can't get along with.

    You might see her and think that her grips are funny or her mags are too short or she's fired too many rounds downrange, but I'm the guy to give it a chance and see if we can get along first before I make my mind up. :)
     
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  4. shoobe01

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    I haven't owned a selective-double-action* pistol since about 1999. The two modes are inherently hard to switch between, so I went to a DAO S&W 59xx and a single action Firestar as my main guns long ago, have slowly replaced with plastic frames (many guns now but primaries are M&P and Kahr) as a similar solution: one type of trigger pull.

    I also don't use the old guns so I don't have to grind them up. Other technology moved on, so lights and RDS are on all my actual carry pieces, and it would be rather sacrilegious to bolt on a light rail, and cut into the slide for RDS mounting. Possible, but I am not going to do it.

    And last, but not least for decisionmaking: manufacturer support. I did only get the first M&P when I finally broke an extractor on the 59xx and found it was hard to get a replacement. Complain all you want about businesses having the gall to chase profits, of all things, but for serious use (and absolutely for fleet issue), you need support.


    * That's the primary attribute, selectable use. DA unless thumb cocked, single action thereafter unless decocked, etc. I'm also old enough to remember when they were all "wondernines" and it was a horrible new thing so calling them "traditional" DA feels very odd.
     
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  5. Ignition Override

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    A few guns out there are Both Striker...and...can be either DA or SA for the first shot. :scrutiny:

    My Walther P99 AS is a striker gun which can be Decocked into DA for the first shot. Or left in the SA mode.

    I prev. bought, and gladly also still own the Sig 225 civilian version :feet: (proofed in Kiel, Germany), CZ PCR and a pair of S&W 3rd. Gen. All of these are DA/SA.
    These supposedly outmoded or unfashionable guns were acquired within the last five years due to their quality & reliability.

    rjk2475: One of those guys probably wants a Sig Classic at a steep discount, and you realize that he might only want to buy it so that he can resell it.
     
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  6. 9mmepiphany

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    It might just be your local IDPA shooters. Out my way, IDPA the SSP and ESP classes have a lot of shooters using the CZ TDA platform

    While that is a fairly accurate representation of his initial feelings concerning the DA/SA that first hit the market (in 1938) it doesn't happen to be true...as demonstrated by how that action took over the LE market when they changed over from revolvers
     
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  7. jmr40

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    I never cared for the DA/SA guns with backwards safeties like the Smith autos or Beretta 92. The decock only versions like the Sig 226 family I could tolerate.

    From a historical perspective I will always have a liking for the traditional steel framed pistols such as a 1911 or BHP. But none of the aluminum framed wonder 9's with the safeties will be missed by me if they disappear forever.

    But when it comes to pure function the modern plastic framed striker fired guns are the way to go. And from a personal preference I like the ones that incorporate a 1911 style safety such as the Sig M17 and M18, 365, and various versions offered by Smith and Ruger.
     
  8. DTL

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    I have two DA/SA autos .22 and .380. The thing for me is the .380 is great shooter DA so carry it chambered and de-cocked, safety off. Light, smooth trigger pull for DA, less than 10 lbs. The .22 is a bear DA at about 14-15 lbs, but a smooth 4 lb SA. I like the design and check out every (for me) affordable one I can.
     
  9. guyfromohio

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    My Sig P239 is on my never-sell list. I don’t carry it now, simply due to weight/capacity/size. My PPS has similar capacity in a smaller package and I actually shoot it better. I’d never advocate dumping one for the other though. Those older Sigs are phenomenal.
     
  10. JR24

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    Dump the Sigs for polystrikers? No. Have both? Sure.

    I started with a couple DA/SA, switched to primarily SAO, then Strikers, now I'm back to loving DA/SA.

    My watershed moment was finally getting a proper, consistent, dry fire routine going. Switching to the DA/SA and doing the consistent non range work brought my first shot accuracy and times back up to striker/SAO levels, even with a heavy HK, and had only made my SA/SAO/striker trigger press better.

    Wish I had been doing that better years ago, guess that's the silver lining of the ammo shortage and lockdowns.
     
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  11. UncleEd

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    JMR40 in post #32 has touched on an important
    aspect of the newer autos and that is his preference
    for a safety.

    Whether one discounts the DA/SA autos or even the
    1911, it's important that autos retain a very positive
    external safety system or "switch"" for the good of all shooters.
    And the Glock style guns aren't among them.

    Too many times I've read that some gun owners don't
    like safeties or believe the safety is between one's
    ears, not on the gun itself. It's those very ego-centric
    gun owners who do need a safety "switch" for their own
    well-being and for those around them.

    As for the "backward safeties" which JMR40 references,
    they are easily used by learning the proper technique in
    engaging them and disengaging them. Sadly too many
    gun tyros never learn the technique or more properly
    the manual of arms.

    In addition the DA trigger on an auto is in reality a form
    of safety as well as a safety "switch." It was good police
    had them when the change-over was made from revolver.
     
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  12. CDW4ME

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    Style? Irrelevant.
    I prefer a consistent trigger, Glock or 1911.
     
  13. doubleh

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    Staying in "style" makes a lot of money for companies. Don't believe me ? Just look at women's fashions as the most glaring example I can think of. When it comes to guns I buy what I like, not what is the "style" of the day. Maybe that is why most of my pistols are either 1911s or single actions. Some will probably see me as stuck in a rut or living in the past but it doesn't bother me in the least that I'm not on the "style" bandwagon.
     
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    I have fired striker, SA, DA/SA, and DA actions. I felt the striker had a slight edge on the others. However, I now have a Ruger Security 9. Ruger fashioned the action in such a way as to reduce the trigger pull weight even though it is a hammer fired gun. This except from a review describes that feature.

    The guns slide action precook the trigger most of the way the the trigger pull finishes it. I have come to like the gun very much. It’s 5,5 pound trigger pull is to me just about the right balance between safety and ease of operation. Of my four Rubers (LC9, LC9s, LCP II, Security 9) I like the security 9 action the best.
     
  15. John Joseph

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    Being in style is the fast lane to becoming out of style.:rofl:
     
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    DA/SA semi auto pistols are still very much in style in my household. I much prefer my HK P30SK-V3 or Walther PPK for carry.

    Striker fired pistols are pretty much safe queens and only get brought out to play with at the range.
     
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    Striker fired plastic is cheaper to make and simpler to operate. If you are equipping an army or a police agency, that matters most.

    There are a lot of DA/SAs, predominantly CZ and TZ, in USPSA Production and CO because they are heavy. The heavy steady gun is definitely in fashion over the light handy pistol. There are even striker fired guns introduced in plastic by Walther and Sig now being offered with steel frames to answer that fad.

    Me? I compete in 1911 and carry plastic. My DA/SAs are relegated to home defense where I value their safety in startle mode.
     
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    You know, I want to see one of these striker pistol manufacturers build a car.

    Maybe when they put the throttle, and the brake, together, IN ONE PEDAL, people will begin to see the light...
     
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    When is an attack at home or walking down the street
    not a "startle mode?" Even if you see it coming a
    minute beforehand, does not the adrenalin start
    flowing which affects motor control?
     
  20. Charlie98

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    Has DA/SA gone out of style?

    I hope so.
     
  21. JJFitch

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    I didn't get the memo! I've seen no decline in DA/SA in my neighborhood!

    As a LEO and POST certified firearms instructor I'm expected to be able to pick up any hand gun and fire a qualification score. That being said I also compete in both Revolver and S/A classes. My scores on target are almost identical but reloading after 6 rounds makes for slower revolver times.

    In training and practice the "safety lever" is referred to as a de-cock lever and it's primary use is during holstering to return the DA/SA to DA. Carry is much like a revolver when deployed, D/A with out a "safety switch"!

    I carry either a 4566, 5906 or M39-2 at times and they also are on duty as home defense along with a 9mm PCC.

    Practice makes perfect as I all things handgun related.

    Smiles,

    P.S. Why did the Ruger SR9 fall of the map! Great gun with a "safety switch"!
     
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  22. HollowDawg

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    It'll be a cold day before I give up my CZ 75s for a striker fired tuppergun. I heart steel !!.....and DA/SA. As my Dad used to say, "It's differences in opinion that make for horse races.".
     
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    Was DA/SA ever in style?

    "Style" doesn't matter. Do you and ignore the nattering naybobs.
     
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    My carry guns are generally DAO snubbies, my striker PPS, or a 1911. That being said, I think that the different trigger pull conversation is a non-issue in anything other than competitive shooting. When someone refers to your typical striker-fired weapon in the context of “same pull every time”, I’d ask why they don’t use the abbreviated reset after firing each round? Using the trigger reset as designed makes your follow-up shots different than your first shot. For self defense, I’m not opposed to a longer first shot.
     
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    That is an excellent way to express it.
     
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