Have fanboys ruined a gun for you?

[doc2rn]

Yup it's happened to me too. I have a Glock 32 with an extra fortay barrel and mag, a Colt 1911 (1956) .45 ACP, a S&W Mod 10-4, etc...
I just wish I had researched more and been less compulsive with the must haves.
My favorite is the FNP 9mm, it feels good and I can hold a softball size group with a pad of 50 at 20 yds.
The others I bought because of the hype, you need a Moss 500 or an 870. Came across a deal and it now collects dust in the vault. Go figure, advice really is as good as what you pay for it.

 

[Rugerlvr]

What about the converse. I like my Mini-14 well enough, but I just had a thread closed because the haters came out in droves. Should I hate my Mini-14 because they do? That would ruin it for me.

 

[doc2rn]

My most accurate rifle is either my Ruger 77/22 in .22 wmr or the Rem 700 SPS. Ruger makes firearms like Abrhams tanks. I have the same Ruger Standard that dad gave me for my 11th birthday back in '82. It must have 300,000 rds through it by now.
Ruger makes a fine firearm, dont let them dissuade you because of their bias.

 

[JohnMcD348]

OK, perfect solution for the problem. If everybody would just agree that the AR platform and the 1911 are the MOST PERFECT firearms ever created and as long as they are either Colt or Springfield then everybody would be happy.




Right?



Guys?





Anyone?

 

[blkbrd666]

John, you missed a previous post...only Sig is perfect. Oh, and Jennings.

 

[siglite]

John, you missed a previous post...only Sig is perfect. Oh, and Jennings.

You got that half right

 

[blkbrd666]

Shoot, I know they are 'cause I read it on the Internet. I even ordered one yesterday and I'm sure after I pick it up tomorrow and take it to the range, I am going to be putting 30 or 40 other handguns up for sale.

 

[Sans Authoritas]

"Lorcin: Don't Compromise Perfection." How's that for the best of all worlds?

-Sans Authoritas

 

[grimjaw]

No, the fanboys of the CZ-52 didn't ruin it for me. Owning and shooting a CZ-52 ruined it for me.

jm

 

[Tom Servo]

Heck, I work at a gun store. You ain't seen fanboys, folks...

Gaston Glock is the savior of mankind. So is Jeff Cooper. You defy the laws of physics by disagreeing with either.

The M4 (they don't call 'em AR-15s any more) is incapable of making it through a magazine without jamming because it doesn't have a gas piston.

The AK-47 can't hit a barn from the inside because it's got a gas piston.

The Mini-14 isn't either, so it completely blows.

In either case, you need a scope that costs six months' salary if you hope to hit anything with a rifle. Bonus points if you can mount it on a pistol, and if you can cram it in a holster, you are king of the world.

The greatest gun ever made for any purpose is the one on the cover of this month's gun magazine. Never mind that nobody's actually seen (or shot) one in the real world, everything else sucks in some way.

The .40S&W is the greatest discovery in ballistics since stellar fusion. It can kill anything that walks on land. But just in case, make sure it takes "hi-cap clips."

Although the .45ACP is woefully underpenetrates today's breed of supercriminals, the .45GAP rectifies all this because a) it's new, and b) Gaston Glock invented it.

Carrying anything chambered in 9mm is tantamount to suicide. Though 9mm ball can kill an angry Iraqi insurgent hopped up on religious hysteria and unafraid of death, it will not stop a rapist or mugger. For that, you need .357SIG, which has been known to warp the space-time continuum.

Revolvers and the M1 Garand suck because they're old and they don't have rails for mounting stuff :banghead:

In fact, no gun should have wood anywhere on it. It must be at least 75% carbon fiber to be taken seriously as a COMBAT FIREARM.

7mm may have taken a few elephants, but it's useless against a 150lb deer. For that, you need 7.62x39, and lots of it.

You can call anything "tactical," and it'll sell. No, really.

 

[blkbrd666]

I bow!!! I attempted the same thing in the post on page 2 of this thread, but you just bested me with that one! I was already laughing at another thread...now you have brought tears to my eyes!

GOOD one.

 

[blkbrd666]

By the way, Erik, does Kennesaw still have that requirement to own a gun that I heard about...or is that just a rumor?

 

[mr.trooper]

anyone that saiys any gun is perfect is a bald-faced liar.

* i have a Springfield 1911; its picky about what type of 230gr FMJ it likes to feed, even with factory mags.

* i have a Glock 30; its impossible to get that 10'th round in the magazine, and my dad somehow managed to jam it on our last range trip.

* i have a Walther P-22; despite the entire internet saying they are junk, both mine and my buddies run "like tops" after thousands of rounds.

* I have a Vector arms AK-47; it stove-piped with old ammo a few times.

* I had a SIG 232. The take down lever would work loose after a few magazines and cause failures to feed. Even SIG turns out a lemon from time to time.

In my FIRST HAND experience, information on the "intra-webs" is rarely accurate.

 

[blkbrd666]

Still LMAO! I just learned more valuable information from the Internet...I just need to buy whatever is featured on the front of this month's gun magazine and I will always have the "BEST" gun. Then, next month I can trade it in on the "BEST" gun.

 

[WinchesterAA]

I'll put this thread to rest..

Get an AK, a remmy 700, a remmy 870 and a 1911. You'll be fine.

FMJ and 00buck.

 

[coloradokevin]

Yeah, dumb people bother me too.

Plus, you can't over state the power of the American marketing machine.

A guy in my department bought one of those fancy titanium nitride (?) bolt groups for his AR... Supposed to be the best thing ever, and everyone needs one, at least according to a few folks I've talked to.

Yet, I saw this guy's rifle choking on every single course of fire. (he wasn't quite part of the "fan-boy" club, but still... enough of our guys seem to be).

I like Glocks, and I like XD's in the limited amount that I've shot them (not as good with one, given less trigger time)... But, it seems these two groups of die-hards are constantly at war with each other too.

Then the whole 1911 fiasco comes into play... I just ordered a 1911, and I'll be excited to have one. But, does that preclude me from owning a Glock, or does owning a Glock mean I can't have a 1911?

Then there is the AK/AR debate. Wow, like I'm not tired of that one.


I am still most bothered by the arm-chair enthusiasts who have never operated in the field with any weapon platform. Invariably they are the same folks who know the most about every darn gun in existance!

I've got things I like and dislike about nearly every gun I've ever touched. But, maybe that just makes me a cynic?

 

[possom813]

Glocks are ugly.

I can't see a how Glock owner can call a Hi Point ugly.

.40 cal is not the uber cartridge, 10mm is.

A 1911 is only a "real" 1911 if it says Colt on it somewhere, even the grips.

Hi Point is a sorry company that turns out pot metal, jammamatic, pieces of crap and won't warranty them(From a gunshop owner)

For a real kick, you need an M44, it'll make a 30-06 feel like a .22

All J.C. Higgins ever was, was the rejects from the manufacturers.(Also said by the same shop owner when I asked if he could find one of the J.C. Higgins model 101.7 in 20ga)

.357 mag is a girlie cartridge, you need a .357 sig.

This shoots a special bullet, it's .22 long rifle only.

Why do you always carry that little pistol with you? Don't you know 5 shots just ain't enough(from a guy I was talking with at gunshow that had a Glock on his hip with a freakin' 2 foot mag hanging out.)

If your rifle don't say "Nitro Express" on it, you may as well go home, it ain't gonna kill any of these deer 'round here.(On a Texas hunt with some friends and some space takers)

DA: What is that? An ak?
Me: Yeah
DA: What kind?
Me: WASR 10
DA: A wasser?
Me: Sorta, a W A S R 10
DA: Don't you know they ain't worth a s%%%
Me: No, I hadn't heard that.
DA: You need to go ahead and put that up before you hit a bird
Me: Excuse me,
DA: You heard me
Me: "Said "Firing" Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang
DA: WTH man, why'd you do that, warn somebody next time.
Me:I did warn you, that's what "firing" means "walking out to my 100 yd target" Brought it back and showed 30 (maybe 29, but I was the one counting) rounds within about 15" circle offhand.
Me: Yeah it's not as accurate as I'd like, what are you shooting?
DA: I got me a real ak.
Me: Really, what is it
DA: A Saiga
Me: "packing up and leaving with a chuckle"

 

[Tom Servo]

By the way, Erik, does Kennesaw still have that requirement to own a gun that I heard about...or is that just a rumor?

Nope. It's true. Crime stats show its effect, too.

Of course the easiest way to shut the fanboys up is to out-shoot them.

My current carry is a 5-shot .44 Special L-Frame. It's about the most un-cool weapon out there.

Anyhow, this doofus came in the other night with FOUR Kimbers. After chuckling at my inadequate choice in firearms, he proceeded to demonstrate the Death of American Marksmanship. Pray-and-Spray doesn't begin to describe it.

Ammo's too expensive for that, but you know young people.

Anyhow, it had been a $%&*y day, and I was a bit punchy. Time to school me some yokels!

Me: "Nice gun. Mind if I try?"

Him: "Sure. See what a REAL gun can do."

(Oh...it's ON)

Kimbers are NICE. He rolled the target out to ~20ft. All 8 of my shots were touching but one, which was about an inch high of the group. None of the MIM parts blew up, and it fed just fine.

Shoulda seen the looks on their faces. Then yokel #2 says, "bet ya can't do that with your revolver."

Me: "It's really not hard. Front sight, breathe, squeeze. Repeat."

Him: "Prove it. You can't shoot a revolver as good as....holy cow."

Sometimes it's good being me

 

[Catherine]

I don't think that there is any PERFECT GUN but I have MY favorites.

I buy what I like in firearms and what suits me. I do that for any object. I do NOT care what others like or own... it is their money and THEIR gun! It suits them as my guns suit ME.

No one has ever ruined a gun for me because of their OPINION. I like to read and talk about guns in books, forums, chats, magazines, at the range, etc.

I don't care what others buy, shoot and rave about but I do LIKE to HEAR and READ their opinions on ALL kinds of firearms especially when I chat, read a board and/or shoot with them at a range.

I liked and owned the Glock Model 19C. CLARIFICATION: I liked the Glock in the Model 19 with NO C which meant not ported too. They had the Glock Model 19C in stock @ my former gun store, back east, and that is the one that I bought. It was a great gun, I never had a problem with it, no jam, nothing and I could rack the slide on that pistol... I may get another one down the road. It was my FIRST gun. My late husband liked it too. I sold a few guns after he died including that one.

I could rack the slide on a S&W Model 22A and a S&W Model 41 too. I tried other ones and due to an old injury, weakness, arthritis, etc. - I bought what suited ME at the time. The Model 41 was for my late husband but I could shoot it too. I could not rack the slide with some other ones that I tried.

I like S&W in various revolvers, owned and still own some. SWEET D/A ones in various calibers.

I like Ruger in S/A revolvers and own a few of them. I absolutely ADORE S/A revolvers! I have shot Rugers in other models - D/A and semi auto ones but I have not personally owned one. They were nice and GOOD guns. I LOVE S/A Rugers in various calibers. Grin.

I LOVE lever action rifles. Browning BL22, some Wins, several Marlins.

I love the Marlin Papoose 70PSS - 22LR.

My late husband and my present husband owned and loved ALL kinds of hand guns and rifles. My late husband did not own many guns and my present husband has many guns.

My late husband LOVED semi automatic firearms and yet he loved revolvers too. I learned on his 357Magnum revolver and it did NOT scare me because it was not a 22LR! I used 357Magnums and 38Specials in it. He had more handguns than rifles. We did not own or shoot shotguns... I am NOT knocking shotguns.

My present husband is a 1911 man - Kimber 45ACP, into Freedom Arms, a S/A and D/A revolver man in various brands including Ruger, S&W, etc., loves his old Colt Woodsman, his older and newer guns, his lever action, bolt action, semi automatic, etc. rifles. He loves his Bushmaster. He has super favorites for hunting deer and elk too. He likes handgun hunting but does HUNT mostly in rifles though!

He likes ALL kinds of them for whatever purpose he is using them for. Self defense, plinking, competition, hunting, etc.

I like a little bit of everything but I have MY favorites due to the simplicity, ease of operation, cleaning, understanding them, what I can handle with my weak left arm and what I can shoot WELL with.

I say different strokes for different folks or whatever trips your trigger.

It is their gun and their money... same as mine.

Sincerely,

Catherine - A S/A Revolver Lady

 

[209]

I don't know too many fanboys. But I sure do know a lot of haters. Mention a brand of gun in a room of gunnies, there'll always be at least one hater. And the folks that don't know much about the brand will, several weeks later, say, "Well, I heard..." and repeat the bad things discussed.

Guns are what they are. Any brand probably has some bad point to it.

 

[Ltlabner]

The M4 (they don't call 'em AR-15s any more) is incapable of making it through a magazine without jamming because it doesn't have a gas piston.

The AK-47 can't hit a barn from the inside because it's got a gas piston.

The Mini-14 isn't either, so it completely blows.

Beautifull!

 

[Sato Ord]

You can call anything "tactical," and it'll sell. No, really.

I can believe that. Go to any flea market and watch these idiots go ga-ga over Pakistani knives and Malaysian made POS add ons.

My mother in law had an expression that comes to mind here. If you listen to dogs bark, you'll go deaf without learning much.

 

[possom813]

I feel I should add to previous post about ugly Glocks.

I've never owned one, I've only shot a couple that friends have. Although they're reliable and good for what they are, they're still ugly and they don't feel right to me.

I'll stick to my guns on that one(ha ha, pun, get it)

 

[jlangton]

I've never owned one, I've only shot a couple that friends have. Although they're reliable and good for what they are, they're still ugly and they don't feel right to me.

Looks I don't care about(I own two Ruger P-series guns,so looks don't bother me ),but that awful grip and angle of the grip are deal breakers for me on the Glocks.
JL

 

[brighamr]

It's funny. I see the fanboys of the AR crowd refusing to accept the known reliability issues. I see the Glock God's refusing to accept that a glock can caboom.

I haven't had issues with the 1911 boys (other than them recommending a $3000 custom 1911 for a "starting" gun). I haven't had issues with the AK crowd at all.

H&K? I wont ever buy one simply because of 'HK' crowd.

I think Larry summed it up best, some people make idols out of certain brands of guns. They just can't accept that other brands work better for less money. Kind of the same way with high school kids and clothing. they could wear $20 jeans, but have to have the $90 brand name jeans.... for no apparent reason.