Have you read "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross?

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  • read it?

    Votes: 148 81.3%
  • not read it?

    Votes: 34 18.7%

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Character development.

Cindy would not have been the same character at all without the sex bits.

I think JR is an excellent writer. I was fascinated during the whole book. The style is very readable, the story is great, lots of factual stuff....and all those guns!

As to randomly taking out corrupt feeders at the public trough, well....in the book, they were warned and had a chance to change their ways. Sounds reasonable enough to me.
 
It has been awhile since I read the book, but as I remember, I felt the sex scenes added something to the character of Henry. He wasn't some egg head nerd that did nothing but shoot and hang around with older men (when he was a kid). He was also a playa.:D
In fact Henry was a superman in all but the jogging scene and that is the part I never understood. What did that really add to the story line. I almost seemed like that played into something that was edited out.


I have never understood why we can't have a book or movie where the hero never loses. He goes from one success or cool thing to another and never had the madatory set back which he has to come back from. Let's face it, movies and books are often fantasies, so why not ? I know I never suffer any set backs in my own dreams and fantasies: unlike real life, I always come out on top.
 
Read UC twice. Read EFAD once. Loved both of them. I didn't have a problem with the sexual content of UC.
 
it wasn't so much that I had a problem with sex scenes being in the book...it was that the sex scenes read like they were written by a fourteen year old.
 
What 444 said -- finished the last page and immediately turned back to the beginning and read it again. Have read favorite sections several more times - Ray's trip to Africa, Henry's trip to Nevada (?) with Uncle Max, Henry's canoe trip where he learned to walk away, Henry's trip to Africa, and of course the entire Present Day section.

It's a great read as is EFAD.

Jim
 
This was the first novel I have read since 1967 (Atlas Shrugged). It's not that I don't read. I have read hundreds of technical books, American, European history, Physics, Battles, War campaigns. I always thought that reality was always more interesting than fiction.

I particularly liked the historical account of the gun control laws in America. For anyone who has not followed the progression it is a good presentation. I would have enjoyed just that but the fiction added a good twist. It's good to see that freedom can win over tyranny but that is not always the case.

Someone recommended this book to me and I'm glad I took the time to read it.
 
I have not read it yet but very much want to. Every bookstore I go to does not have it and I don't want to put it on special order; I want to pick it up, pay cash and leave.

Is there someplace available online where I can read it?
 
...Ross' novel 'Unintended Consequences' was intrumental in changing my attitude towards the second amendment. It was painful to read at some points; I had to set the book down and cry, weep, or cross reference the historical facts more than once. but I could not put it down, once I started. Yes, his writing style could use a touch of polish, but I think time & experience will make the next novel quite appealing. he has the makings of another Hemingway, but that's just my own opinion.

In researching historical references, I found out that my great-great grandmother, Fida Dettley, shot with her father in Geneva, amongst other interesting accounts of history that the 'history books' of today seemed to have left out...Grin...I'll terrorize you guys with some of it one day...

BTW - any word from John Ross on the sequel???

nikita
 
Every bookstore I go to does not have it and I don't want to put it on special order; I want to pick it up, pay cash and leave.

Cruise the book tables at the gun show. I got mine that way, brand new, still shrinkwrapped in the shipping package.
 
SPOILERS

The jogging scene was probably my favorite bit in the book. Here we have our superhero, Henry Bowman, who is a great shot, knows all about guns, also knows economics/history/geology/airplanes/etc.

And he becomes a victim. Not to a supervillain, not to a government hit squad, but to a common gang.

It really gives teeth to his subsequent battles with the gun-grabbers - there has to be a real and compelling reason to keep and bear arms to drive Bowman's crusade - otherwise, why would a successful citizen turn rogue and spur a nationwide rebellion? Bowman has to absolutely believe that gun control kills people, and that the people advocating victim disarmament are merely pushing us down the short road to state totalitarianism, whatever ideological facade it takes (communism, fascism, racism, etc.).
 
Comments on UC

Read UC on recomendation of a friend, before I picked up this book I was ignorant of a lot of the history of Gun control. Book had a dramatic impact on my opinions and got me interested in 'serious' thinking about my positions, and more importantly, what I was doing about them. I think it is an important book that should be read by as many people as possible, unfortunately, with the amount of technical information in it, most non-gun people won't bother. I look forward to Mr. Ross's next novel, and will forgive any shortcomings in his first with the sure and safe knowledge I couldn't have done nearly as well.

Appreciate the mention of the other titles- I've not read any of the other recomends mentioned, will look for them.

I ordered my first copy of UC from Amazon, liked it enough to loan it out, and bought a second copy from B & N online as a keeper. It never occurred to me that might get me on 'the list' until I saw some of the 'reviews' the ATF people gave it...

It's getting really, really scary when you are afraid to buy a book for fear of government retribution.
 
I read it four years ago. Altough I was familiar with it from reviews in gun magazines for several years, it wasn't until a friend recommended it to me that I finally got around to reading it.

1. I wish that Mr. Ross had included an appendix, or notes of some kind to a) seperate fact from fiction, and b) back up some of the claims that he made.

2. Like Tom Clancy, Mr. Ross is great at weaving many threads together into a single plot. Also like Mr. Clancy, the book seemed as much of an excercise in stoking the author's ego as telling a story.

3. Unlike Enemies Foreign and Domestic, the bad guys in Unintended Consequences were not scary. It was obvious that John Ross^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Henry Bowman was going to walk across water and save us all.

4. The media were too sympathetic to the cause of gun owners. Yeah, right. Read EFAD for a more likely scenario of how the media will be (are being?) manipulated.

5. When I got to the following passage, I realized that the author was spending too much time with like-minded people (much like reporters do, which is why Dan Rather thought he could get away with what he recently did):


August 2

...

"They're getting grim. San Antonio, Texas. Somebody set fire to an ATF agent's house at 2:00 this morning. Obvious arson job. Accelerants all over the front of the house, especially the front door. When the firemen got there, they find the whole family in their pajamas, in the back yard. The agent, his wife, and three kids. All dead. Each one shot at least three times, and all of them once behind the right ear."

...

"Yeah." The agent looked away from Alex for an instant, then turned back to face him. "Guys from the San Antone office questioned four sets of neighbors."

"And?"

"And nobody knows nothin' about nothin'. One old guy with a walker came to the door, told the San Antonio SAC he wasn't about to talk to him, and to get a warrant if he wanted to come inside. The wife's behind the old guy, and she's sitting in a wheelchair, so the SAC asks her for a statement. Did she hear anything, see anything out the window? She says, 'You want a statement? Okay, Mister FBI man. People who play with fire sometimes get burned.' Then she laughs and shuts the door in his face." The agent took a deep breath. "Sir, cooperation was low before that tape got aired, but now it's nonexistent."


Jesus F. Christ!!!!!! Are we supposed to believe that the average person is soooooo outraged by what happened at Waco that they would condone the murder of children??!!! Mr. Ross -- and the rest of us, for that matter -- should get out of the echo chamber once in a while.


I found Unintended Consequences entertaining enough to finish (unlike Atlas Shrugged). But the "near future" scenario is pure fantasy. It pales next to Enemies Foreign and Domestic, which is a much better story that should keep you up at nights.


(As I put on my Nomex suit....)
 
Jesus F. Christ!!!!!! Are we supposed to believe that the average person is soooooo outraged by what happened at Waco that they would condone the murder of children??!!! Mr. Ross -- and the rest of us, for that matter -- should get out of the echo chamber once in a while.

You've got the sequence of events wrong.

That passage took place after the tape Bowman made of the ATF guy's confession about planting drugs and counterfeit money (and of other sins) in order to make the busts was aired on national TV.

I don't know about you, but if I'd seen a tape like that and the FBI asked me if I knew anything, I'd follow the Sicilian Witness Ruleâ„¢
"No matter what you saw, you saw nothing."
 
Nah, read UC twice, barely got through EFAD once... EFAD started off so promising but after the half way mark through I was falling asleep. Claire Wolfe said the same thing about it so i'm not crazy.

atek3
 
I've read it.

The history of gun rights was excellent.

Sex: overall the sex parts play a very small part of the big story and could easily be edited out..... but that's not John's style. The sex parts hurt the overall marketablilty of UC. There are many people I know who would be offended by the sex parts and thus I can't recomend they read it. It's not really that it has sex... many good books do... it's just the nature of it that I think offends.

I feel like it is worth reading and rereading for the mountain of gun lore contained in it. I'm looking forward to the next one and if I recall John said "there would be something to offend everyone" in the next one :D :D
 
I loved the book. I think the sex stuff of Cindy made her and Henry have something in common. His rape and his killing of the guys earlier that raped the young girl. Both were abused sexually and survived, both killed to keep from being victims again.( in a broader sense) Now as a woman Huuuuummmm what did Henry look like?:D
 
Gun Week did an interview with Ross last year, as I remember, Indicated in the q & a was that was a sequal due out this year, 2004 that is.

Last time I asked, Ross responded that due to one thing and or another, sequal won't appear till mid 2005. My wife, who I dragooned into reading UC says she thinks Ross is a "one book writer". We shall see what results the passage of time brings.
 
I have to agree with Preacherman. I feel the same way about Schindler's list -- a movie I want my wife to watch all the way through, but the totally irrelevant shag-scenes ruined it for her.

It's almost like these authors don't think their material is intrinsically attractive enough and need to spice it up a bit to generate interest. But that's a pretty dumb thesis, since no one has ever recommended UC to me basis the steamy sex scenes.
 
Re the surprise?? expressed by one poster, re obtaining a copy from their local library, I first read UC, via interlibrary loan, through the services of my local library. They got the book from Monessen Public Library. Monessen is a smallish Mon Valley town, part of "the rust belt" not far from PIttsburgh.

I subsequently bought my own copy.
 
Good read

I loved the book......


IT was VERY well researched, only one factual error - which I reported to John.

The first 300 pages kinda drag but after that its non stop action and well written, it HAD to be, I read it in a week..
 
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