Help me change the NFA

How would you change the NFA?

  • I would not own a registered firearm or device, regardless of cost

    Votes: 16 8.9%

  • I would own a registered firearm or device, regardless of cost

    Votes: 16 8.9%

  • I would own a registered firearm or device if the cost were greatly reduced

    Votes: 37 20.6%

  • I would own multiple registered firearms or devices if the costs were greatly reduced

    Votes: 111 61.7%
  • Total voters
    180
  • Poll closed .
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This poll is to conduct research on changing the NFA rules. While I would support a complete removal of the law, I don't believe that it will happen anytime soon.

So what I'm trying to do is appeal to a politicians base emotion; greed. I plan to write to a willing congressional delegate to change the law, and greatly lower the cost of an NFA tax stamp. I hope this will also help repeal the 1986 full auto law, as well.

Please, answer the poll and tell me what you think. I will be cross posting this at every gun forum for which I am a member, and ask that you do NOT hit the poll at the other sites, in order to maintain the accuracy and integrity of the poll.

The choices are:

I would not own a registered firearm or device, regardless of cost

I would own a registered firearm or device, regardless of cost

I would own a registered firearm or device if the cost were greatly reduced

I would own multiple registered firearms or devices if the costs were greatly reduced

I do ask that we try to keep this poll at the top for at least a week, so that I may collect as much data as possible. Once I have collected as much as I can, I will be writing Doug Lamborn to propose the bill, or whatever measure may be used.
 
The tax stamp isn't really the thing driving the price of NFA firearms... The fact that the registry is closed, and has been since '68. Allowing NEW machineguns to be registered is where we need to start. This will help make them more affordable for everyone, though there will be many gun owners that vote AGAINST re-opening the registry because they've sunk their life savings into a couple high dollar machineguns.
 
If you start the reform effort by questioning the cost of the stamp, you're more likely than not to get the cost raised. Think about it -- $200 is the least of the barriers keeping people from owning full auto and other NFA weapons. The main barrier is simply the cost of the items, and then secondarily the crazy patchwork of state laws (for example, Connecticult allowing full auto but not selective fire weapons). Finally, there is the capricious nature of CLEO signoffs.

The cost is a function of supply and demand, and, for full autos, supply is artificially limited because of the 1968 import ban and the 1986 closing of the registry. The first order of business should be to open the registry and allow imports again. Then there should be federal preemption of NFA law (on the basis of the Commerce Clause) so that no state can be more restrictive than the federal regulatory scheme. And get rid of the CLEO signoff requirement altogether.

I own several machine guns myself. I know that if we get the NFA law reformed, I would lose money (or, more accurately, I would forgo my paper gains). So what? I would rather be able to afford more.
 
I have recently thought that the first part to go after is suppressors. With all the lawsuits going on about shooting range noise, it is a great argument that suppressors should be removed from the NFA in the interest of being a good neighbor. Remove the $200 stamp and you will increase demand / reduce price of suppressors and I could see their use becoming fairly common.

With regards to the poll - multiple items. Several suppressors, SBS, SBR.
 
The sum of $200 was decided because that was equal to the cost of a new Thompson sub-machine gun at the time. That was a LOT of money back then.
 
Seems like a pipe dream but one of the few things i'd fly to Washington to protest.
 
Maybe the first step could be to open the register to a single caliber. Full auto 10/22's for all!!! After everyone realizes how much fun full auto is then open the register to everything!!!
 
The $200 tax stamp (like any law regulating the type of firearms a personncan legally own) while IMHO is a bit excessive, my bigger complaint is the closure if the machine gun registry. It essentially is anti-capitalism because it does not allow for fair competition in an industry. Companies cannot produce new fullauto weapons into the market. Which means only a limited number of old ones are available. This time of absurd law would NEVER be tolerated for any other item! :banghead:

Can you imagine if the government declared that no company or individual could produce an automobile with more than 300 horsepower after a certain year? How about no more televisions with screens larger than 20 inches? Any alcoholic beverages cannot be more than 60 proof by volume.

The prohibition of desired (once legal) items does little or NOTHING to keep people from obtaining them if they truly want them. What it does DO is turn otherwise lawful people into criminals and feeds money into a (once OPEN, taxed and regulated) blackmarket.

An example of this in the US was the prohibition of alcohol in the 1920s. Most people will agree that when consumed responsibly by adults it is perfectly acceptable. History has shown the economic, moral and social results of prohibiting a desired product. None of them would be considered positive. (The exception of that opinion would held by organize crime syndicates that became wealthy and powerful.) Today, most people will agree that it is wrong for a person to excessively consume alcohol and then endanger other people by driving a car while intoxicated. The problem is NOT the ALCOHOL. The problem IS the PERSON. It is WRONG and purile to try and BLAME an INANIMAT object (or it's manufacturers) for the MISUSE of a PRODUCT. Only the PERSON willingly using a product can be held responsible for the outcome of it's use. If the use/misuse of the product results in some form of harm to others them it is ONLY correct to PUNISH the PERSON and NOT the PRODUCT. If government officials feel the people (who were intelligent enough to elected them) are too dumb to properly use a product then put a safety warning label on it and walk away.
 
The $200 tax stamp (like any law regulating the type of firearms a personncan legally own) while IMHO is a bit excessive
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The NFA did not make owning the guns illegal, it simply stated that you had to pay a "tax" to posses the gun, which is legal. Its really no different than liquor. Banning the guns outright, would in fact, have been be unlawful.

Now, things that have gone on in years since, are very different as far as "legality" goes, but at this point, what the "people" have been taught in the schools, and hammered on by the media over the years, have molded opinion, and blurred facts, to the point that anything youre told is what it is, legal or otherwise.

Nothing, other than the tax is really legal (and even that, questionable), so why hasnt all of it been put before the Supreme Court for a definite answer? It either is a right, or it isnt. I was always taught it was, and that it wasnt subject to interpretation, but these days, even a simple word like "is" seems to be something needing volumes to decide.

I think we all know this is all just a farce, and the whole thing nothing but the illusion of "rights". If it wasnt, we wouldnt be discussing it here, and that MP5 I overpaid for ($800) in the 80's, would still be somewhat reasonably priced, and in fact, a "real" MP5..
 
AK103K said:
Nothing, other than the tax is really legal (and even that, questionable), so why hasnt all of it been put before the Supreme Court for a definite answer? It either is a right, or it isnt. I was always taught it was, and that it wasnt subject to interpretation, but these days, even a simple word like "is" seems to be something needing volumes to decide.
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Because the high and mighty supreme court, with their INFINITE WISDOM, and the FINAL say in America's laws.... still votes along party lines.

Thats some seriously messed up stuff.
 
The tax stamp isn't really the thing driving the price of NFA firearms... The fact that the registry is closed, and has been since '68. Allowing NEW machineguns to be registered is where we need to start. This will help make them more affordable for everyone

This is the proper response other than the year is 86 not 68. I don't see much sense to your poll. Obviously on a gun forum most people are going to check the last choice. If they did away with the tax entirely that MP5 that's worth $1500 in the police market is well north of $20,000 in the civilian market. If you have the 20K to spend on the gun $200 isn't going to phase you.
 
Get rid of the NFA, then get rid of the CSA, then get rid of the FCC, then get rid of the PATRIOTA, then get rid of everything else. I don't see any justifiable reason to assume that if someone has access to a questionable object, substance, or speech it should be automatically assumed that they intend to cause harm with it. Just a bunch of B.S. given to us from the We Know How to Run Your Life Better than You Do Party.
 
I disagree with the OP's strategy, but agree with his/her spirit.

I would go after C&R first. I say this because I think it could be done under the radar without getting the gun grabbing freaks in an uproar.

First thing I would do is link C&R with concealed carry permits. If you have a permit, you are automatically C&R licensed. Then I would eliminate the log book requirement of a C&R license...or maybe I would eliminate the log book first. Maybe "license" isn't the correct term since what I am proposing is that a carry permit enables a citizen to purchase C&R guns the same way black powder guns are currently purchased. I'd also like to see the years of age for automatic C&R status reduced by half.

let the gun grabbers continue their focus on evil black rifles and gun shows. We should attack where they aren't looking. That's C&R...and possibly the 1934 gun legislation.
 
Realistically:
Step 1: make SBR/SBS no longer NFA items
Step 2: Open Machine Gun Registry
Step 3: Reduce Cost
Step 4: Repeal
 
First thing I would do is link C&R with concealed carry permits. If you have a permit, you are automatically C&R licensed.

This would be linking a state record (carry permits) to the Feds. I don't like that idea.
 
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