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ReadyontheRight
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Welcome to THR! Sounds like you are a gun nut already!
And probably more of a Neo-Liberal (like me!) than you know.
I like the recommendations of the poster ablove - SIG P6, Glock 19 or Walther P99 for a 9mm. You should do some research and be aware of the different actions. DAO - Double Action Only -- Loooong, hard trigger pull - but much safer than a single action like a 1911 or a Single Action/Double Action. The Single Action has a very light trigger pull, so you need to be always thinking about the condition of the pistol. Decockers allow you to de-cock from the light SA to heavier DA, and some double as a safety. There are other actions as well.
A light trigger pull helps you to shoot more accurately. Shooting accurately is much more difficult than many realize. You want to move JUST the end of your trigger finger without flinching - a light trigger helps you do this.
The Glock is a fine trade-off to get you into the sport. It just has one trigger option, and it's very well-designed as a trade-off between DA/SA. I would not choose a Glock to shoot at tiny targets out at 50 feet, but I would be perfectly happy using a Glock to shoot at man-sized targets within a safety zone and carry every day in self-defense. If you don't pay too much, you can always sell a G19 and move to something else without losing too much $$.
For questions like this, I always also recommend a .22 autoloading pistol like a Ruger Mark 3 or Browning Buckmark. You can buy 1000 rounds of ammo for less than $30. Put those 1000 rounds downrange and you will be a better pistol shot than 90%+ of the population.
You can't go wrong with a 9mm, especially if you want to stick to just one gun, but mastering it will take longer and be a lot more expensive than a .22.
Welcome to shooting! Take a class, get some friends involved (that's where a .22 is very useful), BE SAFE and get out shooting!
Oh -- and nothing will help you enjoy the sport like competitions. You will meet great folks and learn more (about both yourself and your gun) in one competition than a dozen range sessions.
And probably more of a Neo-Liberal (like me!) than you know.I like the recommendations of the poster ablove - SIG P6, Glock 19 or Walther P99 for a 9mm. You should do some research and be aware of the different actions. DAO - Double Action Only -- Loooong, hard trigger pull - but much safer than a single action like a 1911 or a Single Action/Double Action. The Single Action has a very light trigger pull, so you need to be always thinking about the condition of the pistol. Decockers allow you to de-cock from the light SA to heavier DA, and some double as a safety. There are other actions as well.
A light trigger pull helps you to shoot more accurately. Shooting accurately is much more difficult than many realize. You want to move JUST the end of your trigger finger without flinching - a light trigger helps you do this.
The Glock is a fine trade-off to get you into the sport. It just has one trigger option, and it's very well-designed as a trade-off between DA/SA. I would not choose a Glock to shoot at tiny targets out at 50 feet, but I would be perfectly happy using a Glock to shoot at man-sized targets within a safety zone and carry every day in self-defense. If you don't pay too much, you can always sell a G19 and move to something else without losing too much $$.
For questions like this, I always also recommend a .22 autoloading pistol like a Ruger Mark 3 or Browning Buckmark. You can buy 1000 rounds of ammo for less than $30. Put those 1000 rounds downrange and you will be a better pistol shot than 90%+ of the population.
You can't go wrong with a 9mm, especially if you want to stick to just one gun, but mastering it will take longer and be a lot more expensive than a .22.
Welcome to shooting! Take a class, get some friends involved (that's where a .22 is very useful), BE SAFE and get out shooting!
Oh -- and nothing will help you enjoy the sport like competitions. You will meet great folks and learn more (about both yourself and your gun) in one competition than a dozen range sessions.
rfwobbly
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Nutter -
Welcome aboard.
Last year I bought a 3/4-sized 9mm handgun, which I generally only carry on night runs to the grocery and mall. (Like you, during daylight hours I feel completely secure.) To improve my skills on the move, I started shooting "practical pistol" matches on the weekends. These days, the matches have become my primary use for the gun, and far and away the focus of my shooting hobby. Now I wished I'd have bought the full-sized version instead !! The lesson here is, like airplanes, guns tend to have a somewhat specialized purpose, so be fairly sure what you want before you buy. Rent from ranges and borrow until you have a good idea.
I fully endorse the idea of taking safety classes. There's no better place to start.
Shoot revolvers and autos. Shoot rifles and shotguns. Try them all and see. Whatever you end up with, you're going to have more fun than ever before.
All the best.
Welcome aboard.
Last year I bought a 3/4-sized 9mm handgun, which I generally only carry on night runs to the grocery and mall. (Like you, during daylight hours I feel completely secure.) To improve my skills on the move, I started shooting "practical pistol" matches on the weekends. These days, the matches have become my primary use for the gun, and far and away the focus of my shooting hobby. Now I wished I'd have bought the full-sized version instead !! The lesson here is, like airplanes, guns tend to have a somewhat specialized purpose, so be fairly sure what you want before you buy. Rent from ranges and borrow until you have a good idea.
I fully endorse the idea of taking safety classes. There's no better place to start.
Shoot revolvers and autos. Shoot rifles and shotguns. Try them all and see. Whatever you end up with, you're going to have more fun than ever before.
All the best.
Would love to hear more about NRA marksmanship programs if that isn't hijacking
In case you're not flooded with gun recommendations... I found that I shoot well with the CZ-75B (which is why I have one; they are well regarded but inexpensive), Glock (whatever is the full size FBI .40SW model; these are of course very highly regarded and also not overly expensive) and Springfield XD40. I've shot 1911 (fun as hell but not too good with it), a Smith & Wesson in .40 (didn't sit well with me), a Sig 220 (.45ACP, not very good with it), and variety of pistols, none of which I was very good with. I think your best bet is to take some classes on shooting and then try some different guns until you find one that is easy to shoot well with and get that one.
Michael
In case you're not flooded with gun recommendations... I found that I shoot well with the CZ-75B (which is why I have one; they are well regarded but inexpensive), Glock (whatever is the full size FBI .40SW model; these are of course very highly regarded and also not overly expensive) and Springfield XD40. I've shot 1911 (fun as hell but not too good with it), a Smith & Wesson in .40 (didn't sit well with me), a Sig 220 (.45ACP, not very good with it), and variety of pistols, none of which I was very good with. I think your best bet is to take some classes on shooting and then try some different guns until you find one that is easy to shoot well with and get that one.
Michael
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I do.
The Stoeger Cougar in 9mm or .40 is probably one of the best deals out there right now. It is on the high side of the OP's price criteria @ $399, but definitely worth the extra hunski IMHO. Given the choice between a Bersa or the Stoeger, I'd choose the Stoeger in a heartbeat.
wuluf
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Nutter
I'm in Sacramento,but when i lived in DBA ( Da Bay Area, for you otherstaters) I shot often at Bullseye Range in San Rafael. They also offer classes and rentals.
http://www.bullseyerange.com/
Welcome...
I'm in Sacramento,but when i lived in DBA ( Da Bay Area, for you otherstaters) I shot often at Bullseye Range in San Rafael. They also offer classes and rentals.
http://www.bullseyerange.com/
Welcome...
Brian Dale
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Welcome, nutter!
You've received some good food for thought, above. JDoe mentioned in Post #46, above, a place that sounds like a good resource in the Bay Area.
Gun fit matters tremendously.
{running edit: I see that wuluf has added another}
Whatever you select as your first gun, I encourage you to start looking at both .22 rifles and .22 handguns too, whether you buy one early on or not. Many of us, from new shooters to experts, spend many happy hours getting better as we put .22 bullets down range. Not having any .22s is like not having any coffee cups: it's not necessarily wrong not to own them, but they're good to have around.
{old geezer voice}
Well, how do you think we got to be experts?...(Hmph--kids these days)...Now get offa my yard!
{/old geezer voice}
Please mine the archives here; THR has an excellent Search function. If you click on "Search" at the top of the page, then choose "Advanced Search," you can look for threads by key words as well as by user name. You'll probably find some Members along the way whose posts you discover to be particularly informative.
There's a thread in the General Handguns sub-forum which you might find especially interesting. It's a collection, gathered by a Moderator, of several posts from the Member here who's been called "THR's Poet Laureate." That Member would disagree with that appellation himself, of course. Here's a link to it:
Do not just buy a handgun.. Thoughts of life the universe and all we hold dear.
{Edited to add: there's a lot of information in that thread, so you won't want to try to memorize it all; just get a sense of the main ideas that he's presenting}
Oh, and about the liberal/conservative thing: we've got a fair contingent of crusty old "social liberals" around here already. You won't be alone.
Again, Welcome.
You've received some good food for thought, above. JDoe mentioned in Post #46, above, a place that sounds like a good resource in the Bay Area.
Gun fit matters tremendously.
{running edit: I see that wuluf has added another}
Whatever you select as your first gun, I encourage you to start looking at both .22 rifles and .22 handguns too, whether you buy one early on or not. Many of us, from new shooters to experts, spend many happy hours getting better as we put .22 bullets down range. Not having any .22s is like not having any coffee cups: it's not necessarily wrong not to own them, but they're good to have around.
{old geezer voice}
Well, how do you think we got to be experts?...(Hmph--kids these days)...Now get offa my yard!
{/old geezer voice}
Please mine the archives here; THR has an excellent Search function. If you click on "Search" at the top of the page, then choose "Advanced Search," you can look for threads by key words as well as by user name. You'll probably find some Members along the way whose posts you discover to be particularly informative.
There's a thread in the General Handguns sub-forum which you might find especially interesting. It's a collection, gathered by a Moderator, of several posts from the Member here who's been called "THR's Poet Laureate." That Member would disagree with that appellation himself, of course. Here's a link to it:
Do not just buy a handgun.. Thoughts of life the universe and all we hold dear.
{Edited to add: there's a lot of information in that thread, so you won't want to try to memorize it all; just get a sense of the main ideas that he's presenting}
Oh, and about the liberal/conservative thing: we've got a fair contingent of crusty old "social liberals" around here already. You won't be alone.
Again, Welcome.
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diamondsun
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Hi, Nutter
This may be my first post on THR, but I'm not a newbie when it comes to firearms. I've read your previous posts as well as the posts that others have left. Alot of good advice in there.
One thing I would like to point out is something mentioned earlier about having a rifle/carbine and pistol in the same caliber. This is an outstanding suggestion and can make the life of a new shooter alot easier. For every weapon that you purchase, you kinda have to expect to need to buy 3 or 20 other items to "accessorize".
What I would recommend to you is that you start with a combination that will keep the gear pile down a little. One of the best combo's I've ever had was the Ruger Pc9 and P89. A nice little carbine/pistol set that use the same caliber and the same magazines. Both are simple and reliable. I've owned a set myself and was very pleased with them. I really don't like the grips on the Ruger myself (it doesn't fit my hand like my M&P), but nothing that should stop you from having a look.
I was just looking at the PC-9 carbine on Gun Broker and it's selling for a little less than $500. The P89 is a full frame 9mm in the $200-300 price range.
This may be my first post on THR, but I'm not a newbie when it comes to firearms. I've read your previous posts as well as the posts that others have left. Alot of good advice in there.
One thing I would like to point out is something mentioned earlier about having a rifle/carbine and pistol in the same caliber. This is an outstanding suggestion and can make the life of a new shooter alot easier. For every weapon that you purchase, you kinda have to expect to need to buy 3 or 20 other items to "accessorize"
. What I would recommend to you is that you start with a combination that will keep the gear pile down a little. One of the best combo's I've ever had was the Ruger Pc9 and P89. A nice little carbine/pistol set that use the same caliber and the same magazines. Both are simple and reliable. I've owned a set myself and was very pleased with them. I really don't like the grips on the Ruger myself (it doesn't fit my hand like my M&P), but nothing that should stop you from having a look.
I was just looking at the PC-9 carbine on Gun Broker and it's selling for a little less than $500. The P89 is a full frame 9mm in the $200-300 price range.
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JoeFish
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Nutter,
Welcome to firearms! First of all, there are a lot of us liberals lurking around here, don't you worry- and when I say here I mean the gun shops and ranges of this country.
Everyone's made a lot of good suggestions of hardware to you, (though I would steer you away from the 1911 for a lot of reasons) but I would strongly encourage you to look at used guns. A lot of policemen retire every year and trade in or sell personal handguns used as service pieces or backups that you can pick up for a steal. I paid $150 for a pristine stainless Security Six- my first. I bet you will find a lot of Ruger KPs if 9mms are your bag.
And be as proactive about asking questions at the range as you are here. No responsible shooter will make fun of you for asking a question about safety. They'd rather answer questions there than in the ambulance, if you know what I mean.
Welcome to firearms! First of all, there are a lot of us liberals lurking around here, don't you worry- and when I say here I mean the gun shops and ranges of this country.
Everyone's made a lot of good suggestions of hardware to you, (though I would steer you away from the 1911 for a lot of reasons) but I would strongly encourage you to look at used guns. A lot of policemen retire every year and trade in or sell personal handguns used as service pieces or backups that you can pick up for a steal. I paid $150 for a pristine stainless Security Six- my first. I bet you will find a lot of Ruger KPs if 9mms are your bag.
And be as proactive about asking questions at the range as you are here. No responsible shooter will make fun of you for asking a question about safety. They'd rather answer questions there than in the ambulance, if you know what I mean.
6_gunner
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Welcome to THR. As you've already experienced, you will find a lot of good advice here.
I would recommend getting a S&W Model 10. I think that everyone should start out with a revolver. They're simpler to operate and simpler to clean. They also encourage good trigger control, which is something that many new shooters tends to neglect. A double action revolver isn't very forgiving of a sloppy trigger pull!
A Model 10 is also an excellent, reliable, relatively inexpensive weapon, chambered in a decent cartridge. It's one of my favorites.
It is also less "scary," which may help your non-gun friends to be more receptive to the idea of shooting than they would be with a more sinister-looking automatic.
A Glock is another good choice. It's nearly a simple to operate as a revolver, and it is very reliable; but maintenance is more complicated. An auto must be field stripped to clean; while basic maintenance of a revolver only requires opening the cylinder to clean the bore and chambers, and to scrub fouling off the surface. Light oiling of the exposed moving parts is about the only other thing that's required. There's no need to take one apart unless something breaks or it gets wet.
I don't know if there is a "usual sort" here. We're a pretty diverse bunch.
I would recommend getting a S&W Model 10. I think that everyone should start out with a revolver. They're simpler to operate and simpler to clean. They also encourage good trigger control, which is something that many new shooters tends to neglect. A double action revolver isn't very forgiving of a sloppy trigger pull!
A Model 10 is also an excellent, reliable, relatively inexpensive weapon, chambered in a decent cartridge. It's one of my favorites.
It is also less "scary," which may help your non-gun friends to be more receptive to the idea of shooting than they would be with a more sinister-looking automatic.
A Glock is another good choice. It's nearly a simple to operate as a revolver, and it is very reliable; but maintenance is more complicated. An auto must be field stripped to clean; while basic maintenance of a revolver only requires opening the cylinder to clean the bore and chambers, and to scrub fouling off the surface. Light oiling of the exposed moving parts is about the only other thing that's required. There's no need to take one apart unless something breaks or it gets wet.
I don't know if there is a "usual sort" here. We're a pretty diverse bunch.
No, it isn't. It's only more safe in the sense that one hasn't come to terms with the fact that a gun is only as safe as the user.
For a DAO, you just have to snag/pull the trigger, for a 1911 you have two safeties that have to be activated. Still, the handler is all that really matters.
BornAgainBullseye
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Get a gun and treat it with care and respect. BAM! you are a responsible gun owner. As for what to get.... I would definately get a 9mm as the ammo is plenty. If you have a bigger "set" then spring for a .357 revolver or a 1911 in .45acp. As for a rifle. I would go with something that has military use. Like Remington 700 in .223rem or .308win. Ammo is plenty as well and the design has been proven around the world in battlefield conditions. Im sure in your conditions it would last for generations. Pass them down to your offspring or grandbabies, teach them to be responsible. Join the NRA. Get involved with local NRA events and politics. That is as responsible as you can get.
jpatterson
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I wouldn't call you a "pansy lib" at all, and I am glad to see people of all sorts take an interest in firearms. One thing I've discovered is that finding the perfect firearms for you is kind of a tedious process. This past year I have bought, sold and traded more firearms than I have had money for but I am now extremely content with what I have. (As of this second, anyway)
Good luck with finding your perfect match!
but I am now extremely content with what I have. (As of this second, anyway)Good luck with finding your perfect match!
lanternlad1
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You already use the greatest weapon any of us have - your head.
That's a good start.
As far as guns go, take it slow. Always start with a .22lr rifle and work your way up. A lot of guys may not admit this, but it can be a bit daunting having to learn how to work with firearms when you didn't grow up with them. I came from basically the same position you are in now-never had them, never really needed one, but figured it was time to learn about them. I bought my first gun (a Ruger 10/22) at 30.
Don't let anyone fool you, a .22 is lethal - just ask the myriad of people killed by one. While it wouldn't be my first choice for home defense, it will do the job, and is a good place to start learning about guns. Also, .22s are relatively cheap, so you can see if guns are really your thing before spending a lot of money. (They're a LOT of fun too!) I would recommend a Marlin Model 60 or Ruger 10/22 to start with. Ruger also makes a 10/22 pistol called the Charger which would be good for range/home defense use.
http://www.ruger.com/Charger/
I'm not saying that the other recommendations here aren't good - they are.
But as a guy coming from where you are coming from, this is the way I started, and it worked for me. Good luck.
That's a good start.
As far as guns go, take it slow. Always start with a .22lr rifle and work your way up. A lot of guys may not admit this, but it can be a bit daunting having to learn how to work with firearms when you didn't grow up with them. I came from basically the same position you are in now-never had them, never really needed one, but figured it was time to learn about them. I bought my first gun (a Ruger 10/22) at 30.
Don't let anyone fool you, a .22 is lethal - just ask the myriad of people killed by one. While it wouldn't be my first choice for home defense, it will do the job, and is a good place to start learning about guns. Also, .22s are relatively cheap, so you can see if guns are really your thing before spending a lot of money. (They're a LOT of fun too!) I would recommend a Marlin Model 60 or Ruger 10/22 to start with. Ruger also makes a 10/22 pistol called the Charger which would be good for range/home defense use.
http://www.ruger.com/Charger/
I'm not saying that the other recommendations here aren't good - they are.
But as a guy coming from where you are coming from, this is the way I started, and it worked for me. Good luck.
Brian Dale
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Oh, yeah--lanternlad1's divulged the secret of .22s: they're fun.
Here's some information for pansy liberals:
Why Liberals Should Love the Second Amendment
After reading that, you won't have to apologize for being a liberal who's interested in firearms. There really is no conflict between the two.
Welcome aboard, too. You should be warned that you'll be spending time here when you're supposed to be working.
Oops... here comes my boss!
Why Liberals Should Love the Second Amendment
After reading that, you won't have to apologize for being a liberal who's interested in firearms. There really is no conflict between the two.
Welcome aboard, too. You should be warned that you'll be spending time here when you're supposed to be working.
Oops... here comes my boss!
Welcome to the High Road!
If I feel like being infuriated, I will read the political threads. I think there is something wrong with me because I read them too often. I'm a liberal in some ways and a libertarian in others. You're not the only one here.
I started shooting last year. I've always meant to take a class, but the money is hard to come by. I learned everything I know right here. I have never heard anyone criticize my firearm handling and I have gone shooting with a Marine fresh out of MCT. Learn the 4 Rules and take them so seriously that it seems absurd and you should be fine. Read as many safety discussions as you can on this board.
As for a firearm, a 9mm sounds like a good choice if it will be your only handgun for a while. I have a CZ 75B. It's great, but maybe a little out of your price range at $460. Maybe you could find a used one.
If I feel like being infuriated, I will read the political threads. I think there is something wrong with me because I read them too often. I'm a liberal in some ways and a libertarian in others. You're not the only one here.
I started shooting last year. I've always meant to take a class, but the money is hard to come by. I learned everything I know right here. I have never heard anyone criticize my firearm handling and I have gone shooting with a Marine fresh out of MCT. Learn the 4 Rules and take them so seriously that it seems absurd and you should be fine. Read as many safety discussions as you can on this board.
As for a firearm, a 9mm sounds like a good choice if it will be your only handgun for a while. I have a CZ 75B. It's great, but maybe a little out of your price range at $460. Maybe you could find a used one.
For sure. I was hoping this thread would be more than just me asking a bunch of questions, but also a peek into someone learning about guns for the first time, a bit of entertainment for y'all. So far so good.
And on that note...
I'm in contact with a fellow from the NRA website and working out scheduling for pistol training. I'll post a report when I do it.
I was under the impression I could only apply for CCW in the county I live. Where can I find out more about the Utah non-resident CCW program?
Those look awesome!
That's just what I had in mind. I was eyeing the HiPoint C9 and carbine, but of course everyone bags on their pistol because its so cheap. That Ruger P89 and carbine look so much better. This is a bit down the road for me, after the "first gun" I'm planning, and probably some sort of .22 also.
Another question. I've been looking up the suggestions people made in this thread, and I have to admit I'm a bit enamored with the CZ75 right now. I noticed that some recent models have a decocking lever that replaces the manual safety. A safety was definitely something I'm interested in (the idea of an "on/off" switch appeals to me), and I don't know what a decocking lever is. Can someone describe how it works and why you'd want it instead of a safety? Thanks.
SCMtns
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A decocker drops the hammer on a loaded chamber without firing the weapon. It takes the danger out of you doing so yourself by pulling the trigger and lowering the hammer with your thumb.
A safety is definitely not a bad thing to have, but there are plenty of fine weapons out there without one. The safety is in your head, rather than being a little lever on the side of the gun. Keeping your finger off the damn trigger until you're ready to destroy what the gun's pointed at is the best safety.
I live just south of the Bay Area. I can highly recommend Sportsmen's Supply in Campbell (at Bascom and Camden) as a great place to buy firearms, with good prices, good selection, great service. Cool guys. As already mentioned, Los Altos Rod & Gun up on Skyline is a great outdoor range, and beautiful as well, up on top of one of the highest ridges in the northern Santa Cruz mtns. Might want to try Reed's Indoor Range in Santa Clara, though, if you want to rent something. I don't think Los Altos does rentals.
Also, even though you said you're not eager to meet Armed Strangers From The Internet (I love the sound of that) I'd be glad to take you shooting some time, meet you up at Los Altos, something like that. I've got a good assortment of rifles, shotguns and handguns, and have introduced many friends and acquaintances to shooting over the years. And yeah, many have been liberals. I guess you could even call me a liberal, to some extent, although I share the conservatives' distaste for big gov't. A social liberal and fiscal conservative, which I think describes far more Americans than the census would have you believe.
PM me any time you want to go shooting. I go pretty often.
A safety is definitely not a bad thing to have, but there are plenty of fine weapons out there without one. The safety is in your head, rather than being a little lever on the side of the gun. Keeping your finger off the damn trigger until you're ready to destroy what the gun's pointed at is the best safety.
I live just south of the Bay Area. I can highly recommend Sportsmen's Supply in Campbell (at Bascom and Camden) as a great place to buy firearms, with good prices, good selection, great service. Cool guys. As already mentioned, Los Altos Rod & Gun up on Skyline is a great outdoor range, and beautiful as well, up on top of one of the highest ridges in the northern Santa Cruz mtns. Might want to try Reed's Indoor Range in Santa Clara, though, if you want to rent something. I don't think Los Altos does rentals.
Also, even though you said you're not eager to meet Armed Strangers From The Internet (I love the sound of that) I'd be glad to take you shooting some time, meet you up at Los Altos, something like that. I've got a good assortment of rifles, shotguns and handguns, and have introduced many friends and acquaintances to shooting over the years. And yeah, many have been liberals. I guess you could even call me a liberal, to some extent, although I share the conservatives' distaste for big gov't. A social liberal and fiscal conservative, which I think describes far more Americans than the census would have you believe.
PM me any time you want to go shooting. I go pretty often.
Brian Dale
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Hooray!nutter said:
Along the way,
The NRA class might teach safety rules differently, and that's fine. The goals are the same: to keep everybody un-shot. When you notice some day that you've just picked up a bottle of Windex and naturally placed your finger alongside the head of the sprayer, above the trigger, without having thought about it, you'll know that you're getting it.Vermont said:
Have fun.
bnelson2943
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EAA
You might also want to look at an EAA Witness. They are a CZ 75 variant and are about $100.00 less expensive. They really have been a good gun for me. Check out price ranges on GunBroker.com or other online sites. They come in 9mm, 38 super, 40 S&W, and .45. Maybe others, I'm not sure. I have one in .45 that I have customized and a 9mm that is stock. Both shoot extremely well and being full size and steel framed they are very good on recoil. Just a thought. Good luck and happy gun hunting.
You might also want to look at an EAA Witness. They are a CZ 75 variant and are about $100.00 less expensive. They really have been a good gun for me. Check out price ranges on GunBroker.com or other online sites. They come in 9mm, 38 super, 40 S&W, and .45. Maybe others, I'm not sure. I have one in .45 that I have customized and a 9mm that is stock. Both shoot extremely well and being full size and steel framed they are very good on recoil. Just a thought. Good luck and happy gun hunting.
ZombieHunter
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where do you live? around me the pawn shop/gun shop has a lot of good deals on pistols. I'd start with a .22lr to get your technique worked out. the money you'll save in ammo will pay for your 2nd and probably 3rd gun.
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