Help turn a pansy lib into a gun nut!

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I think on the RIA tactical is referring to the sites, but I'm not a hundred percent positive. I for one can't seem to shoot .40 very well but seem to do OK with .45 a.c.p. Not really sure why that is, but like others said the recoil seems more "snappy" with the .40. Congrats on your purchase.
 
nutter, welcome! There are more of us pro-2A liberals around than some want to see. :rolleyes: :D

First off, it's OK to be a liberal and pro-gun. Never forget that. The Second Amendment is for all law-abiding Americans, regardless of party/race/class/etc. The most effective activism I do is to take my other liberal friends shooting.

For a $300 handgun, I would definitely look at used. I've seen many used Ruger 9mm's for less than that. Avoid the budget S&W Sigma - it is as bad as you read. Despite the advice above, I would be surpised if you could find a 1911-style pistol for ~$300 (DON'T GET A LLAMA!).

I understand your budget, but I would also highly recommend looking at used .22LR rifles first, then adding to that. This will be invaluble for ingraining the 4 Rules and good trigger habits. Many pawnshops here in Oregon have racks of functional used .22's for $50-$60; maybe CA is similar.

I moved gunless from CA to OR, and almost immediately started looking into firearm ownership (I hadn't shot since I was a kid). After reading too much THR,;) I ran out and bought a new 1911. Went to the range, and my first shot at 25yds was in the 10-ring. However, I was surprised at the kick, and every other shot that day was a HUGE flinch. I got frustrated, bought a $60 .22 later that same day, and worked on trigger pull for months. Best $60 I ever spent. Several thousand rounds (and a 4-day class) later, I am "good" again.
 
nutter, I just read your later post about finishing your class and buying a SWEET 1911.

Congratulations on the class and the purchase! You did yourself a huge favor by taking the class.

Yes, shooting is an expensive hobby. That's why my gunsafe has turned into Tradja's Home for Wayward Cheap .22's. I still recommend buying a used .22 rifle in addition to your .45ACP. Also, considering picking up a cheap 1911 airsoft on eBay to train (indoors) with.

To save money, you might take it easy on accessories at first. When I first got my 1911, I immediately wanted to buy every gizmo I could (this gets worse with AR15's - ask me how I know :D ). How many 1911 mags do you really need? 7- or 8-round 1911 mags are not going to get banned/scarce/expensive in the near future.

Geting a $6 nylon holster for transport is a great idea. No, you don't need lasergrips, etc. Buy ammo and range time, or another class.

Having been through a very similar journey myself only a few short years ago, I'm excited for you. Thanks for typing up your experiences here -- I think this will be useful and encouraging for others with similar questions.

Too bad you don't live around here, I'd take you to the range. Ask around, and hopefully you can connect with some local THR'ers.
 
Rock Island Armory 1911 Tactical in .45 ACP

:what: 1911 as your FIRST weapon? Now that is style.

You may be a liberal but you sure are a gun nut. Welcome to the club.

If the price of .45ACP starts getting you down you will start yearning for one of these:

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.22LR $15-$20 for a "brick" (500 rounds). Closest thing to free bullets.
 
Final Update

I'm sure I'll be posting at THR more, but I wanted to wrap up this little chronicle.

I swung by the gun store on January 2 to get my gun, and I had to wait in a looooooooong line for "pick up". This would be the appropriate place to insert an Obama joke, but I'm going to just go on believing it was because the store was closed over the holidays so there was a backlog. :D Had to demonstrate loading and unloading the gun (CA law) to pick it up, then went ahead and picked up some accessories. A little gun cleaning kit, some snap caps, 2 extra mags (Kimber makes 'em, they were $26 ea, but they worked perfect) and 250 rounds.

I was planning on heading to the range immediately after picking it up, and really didn't need to buy any cartridges at the store, but this was to be my HD gun and there was just something about "completing" this journey and having a gun and ammo in my possession "just in case" that I wanted take care of. With a sigh of relief that I finally (check the date on OP!!) had all the tools required, I hopped in the car and headed to the range.

There I picked up some eyes and ears, as well as 100 more rounds of Blazers Brass (230 gr FMJ), and rented a lane. On the way to my lane I ran into the gentleman who taught my NRA Basic Pistol class, so I re-introduced myself, told him I was there firing my first gun, and thanked him again. That class really was tremendously helpful in giving me the confidence to handle a firearm, especially coming from zero as I was. And finally...

I hooked up a target, rolled it out to 7 yards, loaded a single cartridge into the factory RIA magazine, put it in the gun, racked the slide, assumed my stance, took aim, exhaled, finger on the trigger, and BANG! Dead center... I nailed the 10! Looks like the start of a beautiful relationship. That was probably my best shot of the day, and strangely I seemed to get worse the more I shot, but for the next 20 minutes I had a ton of fun.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but the 1911 was a dream to shoot. I couldn't tell you how much of that is elation from firing my own gun for the first time, and how much of it was the 1911, but it felt like the smoothest, most accurate, most "bang-happy" gun I've ever shot. I had trouble keeping my finger off the trigger, in multiple ways. On one occasion, after finishing a magazine the slide locked back and I put the gun down on the shelf, I caught myself with my finger still on the trigger (yeah, I've still gotta drill the four rules into my head). But mostly I just couldn't keep a magazine full for more than a few seconds. After a shot the sight would just glide back onto the target and BANG again. It felt like this gun wanted to shoot.

I wasn't very accurate overall, but most of my shots did hit the paper. :D I still can't "suprise myself" (as Jeff Cooper says) with the shot, so I've got a long way to go in my actual shooting, I know. But I burnt through my 100 rounds rather quickly and gave up my lane early. I packed up and headed home, where I fired up youtube and watched five or six videos on disassembling, cleaning, and reassembling 1911s. At this point I fumbled through my first field strip and cleaning. I don't think I did a very good job, but the gun was just covered in a greasy black oil from the factory, so I figure my clumsy cleaning won't cause many problems while I get up to speed on maintenance. I've got a million questions about cleaning and maintenance, but I'll save them for another thread. I put everything away safe and sound (leaving one magazine loaded - just in case), content knowing that, should I ever be unlucky enough to need it, now I have it.

In California you can only buy one handgun every 30 days. I plan on going back next month to pick up something in .22LR - a MarkIII or a Buckmark. That way I can start taking friends and family to the range (with something much less intimidating to shoot) and start converting more liberals into gun nuts.

Thanks again THR! I have a theory that nothing one does is the first time that thing has ever been done, so there's no need to make "first timer" mistakes. One just has to gather information and knowledge from those who have "been there, done that", and you can skip the beginner mistakes and learn something new relatively pain-free. Thanks to you, I have.
 
Great post, nutter, and thanks for keeping us updated. Ah, that first center shot through the first 1911 of your own. Yep, that was only 2 years ago for me.

Great desciption of noticing the front sight gliding back onto target - sounds like you're focusing on the front sight all the way through recoil. You're off to a very strong start.

Those snap caps will serve you well and be the best training tool - make sure to do lots of careful dry practice! Snap caps will get you past that "first shot 10, follow up shots all over" syndrome (aka surprise trigger break)
 
Heya

I didn't grow up around guns and have never owned one. This is because I'm an urban dweller and have never had a use for one. Yeah yeah, I know, self-defense. But I don't need one, truthfully, because I have a head on my shoulders.

Dude, I live in South Africa, one of the most dangerous countries in the world, if you believe the stats. And I've not yet "needed" a gun. Found having one useful, many times, sure. But not "needed". So don't stress that, OK?

So, how do I go about becoming a responsible gun owner?
Sounds like you're there already, mate. 'cos you're thinking. That gives you a rather large head start :)

And what gun should I pick?

Hehehe. I grew up in a "sure we have guns" but non-shooting house. So I had to learn most of this stuff at an advanced (*cough* *wheeze* *zimmer frame*) age.

Get a 22. Shyte, you're in the 'states, you don't wait months for a licence or have limits on the number of guns you may have -- get three 22s, a rifle, a revolver and a pistol. I'd go with a bolt or lever rifle, a K-22 revolver if you can find one, and a Ruger or Browning pistol -- but that's just me :)

I'm hoping y'all can help turn me into a "gun nut" in a responsible way.

I'm sorry. We can't turn you into a gun nut. Guns do that, all by themselves, really, they do. Go shoot, take a mirror with, look at that huge grin on your face -- yup, welcome, Mr Gun Nut :)

Edit : see you got a 1911. Great pistols, designed by Himself, pussycat to shoot, very effective. Rest of my post stands for other newbies :)
 
Great desciption of noticing the front sight gliding back onto target - sounds like you're focusing on the front sight all the way through recoil. You're off to a very strong start.

I'm trying!

I digest information well enough, but putting it into practice is hard.

You might have a flinch.

Almost certainly. Any suggestions, or just repetition?
 
Almost certainly. Any suggestions, or just repetition?
I cured, no wait - lessened - mine by dry-firing; a lot. The old dime on the front sight trick works wonders.

I agree, use those snap caps and dry practice for 15-20 minutes a few times a week. Review dry practice procedures, and make DARN SURE that there is no ammo or loaded mags even in the same room.

Supplementing dry practice, the .22LR pistol you're talking about will help as well. At the range, I almost always "warm up" and "cool down" with a .22LR pistol. Well, that, and it's really fun and cheap to shoot, but I'm able to shoot outdoors, at cans and golf balls, etc.
 
Any suggestions, or just repetition?
Dry fire, and don't shoot the .45 as much.

I'm not a handgun expert, but I know that when I shoot a 12 gauge shotgun, if I shoot too much, my flinch just gets worse. I think if I shoot too little, maybe less than 4 rounds, it's worse than if I shoot 4 or 5 rounds, but after that more shooting is worse. Warming up and cooling down with a .22 rifle helps me, but the main thing is to just stick to .22s, I'd imagine it would be the same for pistols.
 
Congrats. I'll second the flinch line of thought. I'll bet your first shot was dead on because you didn't know what was coming lol. After the first one, you knew what was coming, and flinched slightly. The .22 will help with that, and its a lot cheaper and fun and accurate too.
I found another practice drill helpful for flinching. You shoot without a target, which helps you to focus on the front sight, since there is no temptation to look at any target. Don't worry about where the shots go. Just worry about seeing that front sight holding steady as the shot goes off. Squeeze the trigger smoothly, front sight.
 
nutter said:
I have a theory that nothing one does is the first time that thing has ever been done, so there's no need to make "first timer" mistakes. One just has to gather information and knowledge from those who have "been there, done that", and you can skip the beginner mistakes and learn something new relatively pain-free.

Very well put. Congratulations again on the end of one happy story and the beginning of a new one.

nutter said:
Looks like the start of a beautiful relationship.

:) :D :)
 
While learning to shoot is complex, one of the main things you are doing is training "muscle memory" or proprioception (Perception of stimuli relating to position, posture, equilibrium, or internal condition).

It takes repetition of doing things correctly. You may choose to practice drawing, presenting and dry firing your pistol at home. It can be beneficial in improving your skills and does not cost you any ammo.
Safety note: when practicing this have a routine that makes sure your ammo is no where near the pistol, and when you are done practicing, don't reload and try one more time. BANG!

1. All guns are always loaded.
2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you wouldn't destroy.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger unless your sights are on the target.
4. Be sure of your target and of what is beyond.
 
Originally Posted by nutter
Almost certainly. Any suggestions, or just repetition?
If you're not already doing so, wear both good soft foam earplugs AND good earmuffs. It's not only good for your hearing, but helps you not feel so hammered by the blast/flash.
 
I think I finally got an adequate cleaning in tonight. Thoguht I'd post a picture for y'all.

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Well whaddya know... hippies with guns!
 
nutter said:
hippies with guns!
That makes at least two of us! I'm sure there are more.

Fine looking 1911, BTW. Good job photographing it cocked and locked, the proper way! Nice grips! Are those stock or did you get those afterward?
 
I believe tactical has to do with the sights (better than G.I.), skeleton trigger, and skeleton hammer. Enjoy the RIA 1911. I always thought they looked gorgeous.
 
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