george burns
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http://americangg.net/lose-life-empty-chamber/, self explanitory. Too bad it happened, but perhaps it will save someones life.
That's amazing, it must be a liability, issue or the insurance that covers the union demands it, God forbid an officer gets hurt or killed due to "policy" that would be a nightmare, and a lawsuit that would bankrupt the department. It could be claimed that it was the cause of such an incident. I am really sorry to hear that for your sake.Unfortunately our agency's policy is that all of our weapons will be round free in the chambers until we need to draw and use them. Yeah we have over 5000 sworn officers. We're a department of corrections
Unfortunately I was on the job and my partner never carried his service handgun with a round in the chamber! I had numerous discussions with him on it, but one night while on patrol he realized he wasn't fast enough to rack the slide and fire. While in the car during the pursuit I said " I told you so". Luckily he came out of that motor vehicle stop unscaved. Some people you just can't get through to.http://americangg.net/lose-life-empty-chamber/, self explanitory. Too bad it happened, but perhaps it will save someones life.
with a 38 it was a NBFD as you carry no round under the hammer the other five chambers loaded pull the trigger and revolver goes boom.
I would not draw such a conclusion from the video. The victims where there at the scene and were able to assess body language and words spoken.The look of the video is that the robber wasn't intent on shooting anyone, and didn't do so until his life was threatened.
Sorry, I'm not trusting my life to the caprice of an armed assailant. Since all I could see in the video was occasionally the robber's arm and a leg, I'm not drawing the same conclusion as you. Merely producing the weapon, even if he's shakily holding it claiming "I don't want to hurt you", is deadly intent to me. It might go off "accidentaly" as guns often do at crime scenes, and I'm not going to bet my life on his ability or lack thereof to handle a gun. If he comes on like a Tier One operator, or Barney Fife, I'm hitting him with everything I have as soon as possible, and it will definitely have a round in the chamber.I like 'Active Self Protection' videos, but I think there is a contradiction here. They also preach about "don't draw on a drawn gun" (even mentioned it in this video)! Especially when there are "multiple armed robbers" as noted by the narrator. The look of the video is that the robber wasn't intent on shooting anyone, and didn't do so until his life was threatened. To me that is the lesson here. When you pull a weapon on someone they are likely to fight for THEIR life. There seems to be a mind set that the criminal will cower at the sight of the hero's gun when presented and that just isn't always the case. I realize the OP was going for the chambered vs unchambered debate, but "self explanatory" assumes that all would have ended well for the victims had he been able to fire shot(s) immediately. Lots of other things could have gone wrong, missed shot(s), safety on, malfunction, or success against the first robber only to be killed by the second, etc. Point being when you engage it doesn't all go your way, especially when you are at a huge disadvantage in both numbers and preparedness. Argue chambered/unchambered all you want, it isn't the only factor or the biggest factor in my opinion.
Don't disagree, just explaining the logic behind the decisionLess risky but otherwise about as sensible as the empty automatic chamber.
Hasn't been a name brand DA revolver that needed an empty chamber under the hammer in a long long time. Colt since about 1908, Smith a little later, although the S&W hammer block was not fully reliable until the 1945 redesign.
I'm afraid I don't see the logic. Can you help with that?Don't disagree, just explaining the logic behind the decision
exactly, I feel If I am not comfortable with a loaded weapon I should not carry one ,A gun without a round in the chamber is effectively unloaded, and makes a poor club
Holy cowski...I've been with state corrections for 15 years and one thing I have always been on staff, on and off duty - keep your firearms hot! One up the spout is required per policy. I cannot imagine your policy will surivie the first wrongful death lawsuit. Sorry, amigo. They need to amend that policy ASAP.Unfortunately our agency's policy is that all of our weapons will be round free in the chambers until we need to draw and use them. Yeah we have over 5000 sworn officers. We're a department of corrections