I've heard the complaint before,along with the preference beteewn the smooth and serrated trigger... it is just like the complaint about the M&P's hinged trigger
Hey guys, should I get a Glock or an S&W MP ??
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Not to kick the can off in a diff. direction. Give the S&W SD40 a look if you can. While not a M&P it seems to be a great pistol for the money. I have held the pistol in 9mm and it fit just like my Sigma 9VE. I was allowed to dry fire it. And the trigger was much better than a Sigma. The SD's have a front night sight. A M&P class slide finish. Seemed to be a very nice pistol for the money.
Enjoy the shopping and shooting.
Enjoy the shopping and shooting.
+1 on the Buy American first thought.
Anytime I have a choice between an american product and a foreign made product AND the quality / feel / price is close......... I choose american
We need to support our own economy........ unless we think a service industry (think a job wearing paper hats, and french fry smells) can drive our economy
Both Glock and S&W are proven winners.
I have a few months, but my next buy is the M&Pc 45..........
I like the look and feel, and am trying to find a place to rent one.
Anytime I have a choice between an american product and a foreign made product AND the quality / feel / price is close......... I choose american
We need to support our own economy........ unless we think a service industry (think a job wearing paper hats, and french fry smells) can drive our economy
Both Glock and S&W are proven winners.
I have a few months, but my next buy is the M&Pc 45..........
I like the look and feel, and am trying to find a place to rent one.
I carry a M&P .40 at work. Its a very nice gun. I've put hundreds of rounds through it with zero issues.
That said, I just bought a Glock 27 for off duty carry.
Does that clear it up for you?
Seriously, they are both very good combat handguns.
At this point it comes down to what feels good to you. If you can't shoot both go hold both and go with what feels best.
That said, I just bought a Glock 27 for off duty carry.
Does that clear it up for you?
Seriously, they are both very good combat handguns.At this point it comes down to what feels good to you. If you can't shoot both go hold both and go with what feels best.
xJokerG23x
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Get the Glock! Get the G23 and then order you a factory G32 barrel so you can convert it to .357 Sig if you want a quick change. Use your same .40 cal mags since the diameter of the cases are the same. Then get you a 9mm conversion barrel from Lone Wolf Distributors and a couple Glock 19 mags. You will then have 3 guns in 1 Actually any Glock model .40 or .357 Sig can be converted to the other, I was just saying what I had. I hope this helps on your decision.
Actually any Glock model .40 or .357 Sig can be converted to the other, I was just saying what I had. I hope this helps on your decision.
wally
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I say it boils down to how you shoot with it. Feel is subjective, where the bullets hit the target isn't!
Skylerbone
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The M&Ps have conversion barrels available as well, no difference there.
SorenityNow
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Go with the glock
The_Armed_Therapist
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Can't go wrong with either... It's as close a race as any others. I went with a Glock, first, because it is lighter. (If I'm not mistaken, the full-sized Glock is lighter than the compact S&W... If not, then it is really close. I'm too lazy too look it up.) Secondly, I found a used Glock for a great price. Thirdly, the grip was textured, which also served to make the grip smaller and it fit my hand. For $35 more, I found a used full-sized M&P, but it was just a little big for me and the Glock was in .40 (which is what I wanted.) My decision was purely based on situational circumstances.
You may never have an issue with either and for $500 (give or take) each, they are the two best deals on the market, in my opinion.
You may never have an issue with either and for $500 (give or take) each, they are the two best deals on the market, in my opinion.
easyg
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Get a Glock.
Glock still sets the standard to which all other polymer framed pistols are measured.
The M&P, while not a "bad" pistol" (except the crappy trigger-pull), is still merely S&W's latest attempt to make a pistol than can compete against Glock pistols.
Glock still sets the standard to which all other polymer framed pistols are measured.
The M&P, while not a "bad" pistol" (except the crappy trigger-pull), is still merely S&W's latest attempt to make a pistol than can compete against Glock pistols.
Mike1234567
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Since so many just say, "Get a Glock". I'm going to try and "balance" the scale a bit.
Get a M&P.
Get a M&P.
Get a M&P.
Get a M&P.
Get a M&P.
Get a M&P.
Get a M&P.
Get a M&P.
Get a M&P.
Get a M&P.
I HATE Glocks because they don't fit my hand AT ALL and the grip angle... YUCK!!
Get a M&P.
Get a M&P.
Get a M&P.
Get a M&P.
Get a M&P.
Get a M&P.
Get a M&P.
Get a M&P.
Get a M&P.
Get a M&P.
I HATE Glocks because they don't fit my hand AT ALL and the grip angle... YUCK!!
easyg
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Ah yes, the "grip angle" argument...
I just don't get it.
I can shoot an M&P just fine.
I can shoot a Glock just fine.
I can shoot a 1911 just fine.
i can shoot a Beretta just fine.
I can shoot a Ruger GP100 just fine.
I can shoot a S&W 686 just fine.
In fact, I can shoot just about any handgun just fine regardless of the grip angle.
And I can use any power drill (cordless or not) just fine too regardless of the grip angle.
What's my secret?
No secret at all....the human hand is an amazing thing as it's very adaptable and can adjust to just about any grip angle.
Unless the bones in your hand and wrist have been somehow fused in some manner, you should have no problem with any handgun grip angle.
To be blunt, I think the grip angle argument is just BS.
Mike1234567
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easyg... I was just joking about folks who have such intense love for Glocks that no other pistol will ever be as good. IOW, it's Glock or nothing. No offense intended. I still don't like Glocks though.
thefamcnaj
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I would vote for the glock. I own 7 of them and they have all ran flawless. Not one single malfunction and I've put thousands of rounds through each. I love the trigger on the glocks. I leave the triggers on mine stock but you can put a ghost trigger on it and I think it takes it down to 4.5 lbs.
Having said that I don't dislike the m&p at all. It feels great in the hand and is an accurate pistol the one time I shot a m&p 45 I was impressed with its accuracy. The only reason I don't buy an m&p is because I don't need another round of polymer pistols to take up room in the ole safe. To bad you can't rent an m&p. I don't really like the trigger on them but as stated before you can get an m&p pro. I have no experience with the pro.
Having said that I don't dislike the m&p at all. It feels great in the hand and is an accurate pistol the one time I shot a m&p 45 I was impressed with its accuracy. The only reason I don't buy an m&p is because I don't need another round of polymer pistols to take up room in the ole safe. To bad you can't rent an m&p. I don't really like the trigger on them but as stated before you can get an m&p pro. I have no experience with the pro.
Skylerbone
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Is the Gen4 Glock Glock's attempt to make perfection more perfect? Is a Cape Cod an attempt to make a better Ranch? Not a bad pistol? Give credit where it's due, no need to justify your own decisions to anyone. Let's not pretend they were the world's first arms manufacturer or that the musket never evolved.
Mike1234567
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Reliability? I have a Hi-Point JHP that has 2000+ rounds without a single failure... same for a Kel-Tec P11. I paid $170 OTD for the H-P and $250 OTD for the K-T. Does this mean I recommend them to others for SD? Not when the other party can afford better.
Fondle several and spend wisely. Rent or borrow a few if you can. Personally, for concealed carry, I'd take a close look at the Ruger SR9c. If you want even smaller then the Ruger LC9 is worth a look. But you asked about Glock and M&P. I've already stated what I think about Glock... but they are reliable and accurate.
Fondle several and spend wisely. Rent or borrow a few if you can. Personally, for concealed carry, I'd take a close look at the Ruger SR9c. If you want even smaller then the Ruger LC9 is worth a look. But you asked about Glock and M&P. I've already stated what I think about Glock... but they are reliable and accurate.
True, but the one thing I always ask myself when I look at Glocks is why should I want one gun that points differently than all my others?
If a Glock was my only gun, it wouldn't make as much of a difference, but since it appears the Glock would be the only oddball in my collection, I tend to pass on 'em.
76shuvlinoff
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A fellow at work just tried out .40 Glocks, XDs, and MPs. He bought the MP because of the fit for him. (big hands long fingers). I understand the SW is adaptable. He claimed less felt recoil and less muzzle flip too.
YMMV
YMMV
Zerodefect
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Yes. It bites my finger during recoil. A smooth metal trigger like an HK P7 or a gently serrated 1911 trigger works best for me. But the 1911 trigger is a special case, I prefer all triggers to be smooth. Revolver, SA Revolver, Rifle, Shotgun, pistol. All smooth please.
I have a Glockworx Fulcrum trigger in my Glock. It gives me way better control, but even it has a drop safety in the middle of the trigger. And the inside edges of the trigger should be beveled a bit more. Something I'll fix later.
I wish Glock and S&W made a better drop safety that was inside the gun where it belongs. Not on the trigger. Such a cheap engineering cop out. At this point I'd allmost rather have no drop safety at all instead.
dondavis3
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I'd suggest renting or borrowing and shooting both.
I've owned both and have sold the Glock ... the grip handle on the Glock is just very strange for me.
I have not owned my S&W M&P Pro long
But I'm lovin' the gun.
It could very quickly become one of my competition guns.
I've owned both and have sold the Glock ... the grip handle on the Glock is just very strange for me.
I have not owned my S&W M&P Pro long
But I'm lovin' the gun.
It could very quickly become one of my competition guns.
Hangingrock
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Under lets agree to disagree and maintain a semblance of civility. The grip angle seems to be more of an excuse than an impediment. Having both the Glock G17 and S&W M&P9 I simply don’t have a problem with either grip angle. Transitioning from one to the other during the same shooting session is not problematic.
230therapy
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M&P Triggers
Every M&P trigger I have tried was too heavy. The M&P trigger can be fixed with drop-in parts from APEX Tactical.
Maintenance is the major overlooked factor in choosing a gun.
The advantage; however, goes to Glock in the maintenance department. Spare spring kits are low priced. You can buy every part (except the frame) for a Glock and replace it yourself. Buy Ptooma Productions The Complete Glock Reference Guide. Tools are minimal and listed in the book. I keep a bunch of spare parts onhand and the cost was under $100.
Don't accessorize your Glock. Add a grip plug, buy a Glock 3.5# connector, and add night sights. If you hate the grip, texture it. Other than that, leave it alone. If you start accessorizing, you can affect reliability. Reduced reliability is fine for a range gun, but unacceptable for a self-defense pistol. Spend the money on spare parts and extra magazines.
If I were going to choose a gun based upon maintenance alone, I would consider only the 1911, Glock, and S&W revolver. Of those, I believe it's difficult to get the hammer and sear parts from S&W (but I'm not sure on that). I believe that 1911 parts are more common than Glock parts due to sheer volume. The difference is that the person doing the maintenance needs to know more about the 1911. Glock parts should drop in without modification.
Grip Angle "Problem"
The whole grip angle "problem" is silly. It really isn't an issue and is just something people like to complain about. They like to have something to blame for their poor shooting performance. (Nothing new there.) I see it all the time on the range. I like to "test" their "bad" Glock for them by shooting a small 10 round group quickly. I then show the person their actual shooting problem(s) and teach them proper shooting technique. Trigger control is the number one problem I see, closely followed by an incorrect grip.
Anyone who spends time behind the gun will learn how the weapon behaves during slow fire, rapid fire, double taps, "hearts-n-minds" and so on. How do I know? It's not great for me, yet I have no trouble with the grip after 10's of thousands of rounds through various Glocks! The 1911 grip angle is about perfect in terms of natural point for my hand. Yet I have learned how to shoot Glocks accurately in all situations (point shooting, sighted fire, slow fire, etc). I line up the sights with the target and my eye and fire. My body overcomes any grip angle "problems" because I have trained with many makes and models of handguns. In rapid fire, I correct as I would with any other firearm. Don't waste your time thinking about "grip angle" for any gun--go shooting instead!
Between the two, I recommend Glock. I think the M&P may shoot a bit softer, but I see no reason to improve by 5% for 9x19mm. The recoil is easy to manage in both guns. If you absolutely end up hating the Glock, you can easily sell it...especially if it is a Glock 19!
Every M&P trigger I have tried was too heavy. The M&P trigger can be fixed with drop-in parts from APEX Tactical.
Maintenance is the major overlooked factor in choosing a gun.
The advantage; however, goes to Glock in the maintenance department. Spare spring kits are low priced. You can buy every part (except the frame) for a Glock and replace it yourself. Buy Ptooma Productions The Complete Glock Reference Guide. Tools are minimal and listed in the book. I keep a bunch of spare parts onhand and the cost was under $100.
Don't accessorize your Glock. Add a grip plug, buy a Glock 3.5# connector, and add night sights. If you hate the grip, texture it. Other than that, leave it alone. If you start accessorizing, you can affect reliability. Reduced reliability is fine for a range gun, but unacceptable for a self-defense pistol. Spend the money on spare parts and extra magazines.
If I were going to choose a gun based upon maintenance alone, I would consider only the 1911, Glock, and S&W revolver. Of those, I believe it's difficult to get the hammer and sear parts from S&W (but I'm not sure on that). I believe that 1911 parts are more common than Glock parts due to sheer volume. The difference is that the person doing the maintenance needs to know more about the 1911. Glock parts should drop in without modification.
Grip Angle "Problem"
The whole grip angle "problem" is silly. It really isn't an issue and is just something people like to complain about. They like to have something to blame for their poor shooting performance. (Nothing new there.) I see it all the time on the range. I like to "test" their "bad" Glock for them by shooting a small 10 round group quickly. I then show the person their actual shooting problem(s) and teach them proper shooting technique. Trigger control is the number one problem I see, closely followed by an incorrect grip.
Anyone who spends time behind the gun will learn how the weapon behaves during slow fire, rapid fire, double taps, "hearts-n-minds" and so on. How do I know? It's not great for me, yet I have no trouble with the grip after 10's of thousands of rounds through various Glocks! The 1911 grip angle is about perfect in terms of natural point for my hand. Yet I have learned how to shoot Glocks accurately in all situations (point shooting, sighted fire, slow fire, etc). I line up the sights with the target and my eye and fire. My body overcomes any grip angle "problems" because I have trained with many makes and models of handguns. In rapid fire, I correct as I would with any other firearm. Don't waste your time thinking about "grip angle" for any gun--go shooting instead!
Between the two, I recommend Glock. I think the M&P may shoot a bit softer, but I see no reason to improve by 5% for 9x19mm. The recoil is easy to manage in both guns. If you absolutely end up hating the Glock, you can easily sell it...especially if it is a Glock 19!
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