Hey Tamara....P7 Question?????

cslinger · Mar 5, 2003

You have posted in a few threads that if you had to get rid of all of your guns the P7 would be the last to go no matter what.

My question is why the P7? You have and have had many very very nice and unique firearms and certainly seem to know your stuff.

So what is the allure of the P7 for you?

I am not asking this to start another P7 Cult vs. P7 haters thread. I am asking this because I was very impressed with the overall feel, fit and function of your P7 and a subsequent P7 M10 I have checked out. I am really considering picking an M8 up at some point.

I don't NEED it for defense I have plenty of uber reliable firearms for that task. I am just so enamored with the P7 and it's action. I was before actually seeing and holding my first one and I am that much more so now.

So what is it about the P7 that has you hooked?

Once again I am not trolling or looking for the P7 sucks because it gets hot or whatever. I am just looking for reasons why your or others love it so much. I know it has it's weaknesses all machines do.

Anyway thanks in advance.

Chris

Tamara · Mar 5, 2003

cslinger,

You have posted in a few threads that if you had to get rid of all of your guns the P7 would be the last to go no matter what.

It'd be the last semiauto. (The last handgun would be the PC13...)

The P7 points and shoots very well from the holster for me, it's in a reasonable CCW caliber, and it's flatter than my Glocks, SIG and Beretta, while being shorter than my 1911s. If I had only one semiauto, it'd have to be one that worked well for me and was concealable under the widest range of circumstances; the P7 fits that to a "T".

mete · Mar 5, 2003

Ignore the cultists pro or con they don't deal with facts anyway. The P7 design and construction make it extremely reliable and durable. Fixed barrel - easy accuracy. Almost straight line feeding - the very short mag to chamber distance makes for reliability. Extractor centered on ejection port and the ejecter oposite that makes for reliability. Consistant 4-4 1/2 lb trigger. Compact - I used to put my PSP on top of a S&W 39 , same 4" barrel but a full 1" shorter. Chrome plated barrel and case hardened slide and frame. ETC ETC ETC. I trust my P7 with my life and that's why I carry it.

Glockorama · Mar 5, 2003

Whew!! Thank God Tamara didn't post a pic of that PC13 again. Every time I see that gun I need six month of therapy to relieve the envy.

dude · Mar 5, 2003

............do people ever actually sell their P7!

I did, but just because the M13 I sold a guy turned out to be broken in a very expensive way, so I 'gave' him my M8 in trade for an IMI Baby Eagle compact 9. This way he could swap out the slides and shot competition with the 13. He has since found a slide so now all I have to do is pony up a .40 IMI Jericho from somewheres to get my M8 back!

CCDN here I come

10-Ring · Mar 5, 2003

Years ago, I had to sell off my collection & kept only my P7M8. I did so because it is the most unique gun I had, safe, really good pointing characteristics, fantastic trigger, reliable, accurate and really high cool factor.

cratz2 · Mar 6, 2003

Thank God Tamara didn't post a pic of that PC13 again. Every time I see that gun I need six month of therapy to relieve the envy.

You mean this one:

Kahr carrier · Mar 6, 2003

SWEET>

Im Drooling.

Handy · Mar 6, 2003

Not trying to be rude, but what is the big deal about a lightly modified DAO revolver?

cratz2 · Mar 6, 2003

Not trying to be rude, but what is the big deal about a lightly modified DAO revolver?

Have you ever handled one? Pretty much everything is done just about perfectly. I'm not exactly sure but I sure would love to have one. It certainly seems to me that the folks that come up with the S&W PC items are in tune with what I want! I guess the difference is in the details.

Handy · Mar 6, 2003

Why is the cylinder so much smaller than the its hole in the frame in the first picture?

Litlman · Mar 6, 2003

Shot my buds p7. Loved it but can't swing one right now! Tamara, now that's a KNIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tamara · Mar 6, 2003

Handy,

Not trying to be rude, but what is the big deal about a lightly modified DAO revolver?

Well, for starters, there's only 400 of 'em.

Duplicating a PC13 from a standard Model 13 would be difficult and expensive. The Model 13 was offered in two configurations from the factory: 4" square-butt and 3" round-butt. You could perform the modifications on a 3" gun, but the factory Model 13's don't have shrouded ejector rods.

Send the barrel to Magnaport for quad porting. Have the chamber throats and trigger beveled. Replace the old-style M13 cylinder latch with one that is relieved for speedloader clearance. Have an action job done, with the gun converted to DAO, the hammer bobbed, and an overtravel stop installed on the trigger. Replace the factory "splinter" grips with Eagle Secret Service stocks (the Ace grips in the above photo are non-standard, I believe, and have since been replaced with Eagles on my gun). Have the gun matte blued.

The complete package is, in my opinion, the absolute Bee's Knees for a CCW gun. Compact enough to tote, but with enough barrel length for a full-length extraction stroke, it has six shots of full-house .357 in a completely controllable package. The 3" M13 was the standard sidearm of the Secret Service and the FBI for years and years, and is a powerful, compact, and dead-nuts reliable package that is brought to its highest form in the Performance Center version, IMHO.

Why is the cylinder so much smaller than the its hole in the frame in the first picture?

That first one is a .45 ACP revolver. The cartridge is short, so you don't need a full length cylinder. The shorter cylinder A) is lighter, which gives a lighter trigger pull as the action has that much less mass to rotate, and B) the shorter cylinder means less freebore for the bullet to jump, improving accuracy.

Glockorama · Mar 6, 2003

cratz2-You are cruel and inhumane!!! Just when I thought I could live without a model 13 :banghead:

"Hello Doctor? I was just on The High Road and......................."

twoblink · Mar 6, 2003

Cslinger..

I use to want a P7 really badly.. Until I found out I hated it, couldn't shoot it with a darn, and so it's off my list of "guns to buy".

So make sure you shoot it a few more times before you REALLY want one.. For me, shooting it a few more times, put it off my list..

tetchaje1 · Mar 6, 2003

Cratz2,
The third one down in your second pic-post (the blued 357-mag with standard hammer) is absolutely beautiful!!!

Where can I sign up for one of those?

( Here goes my bank account again... :uhoh:

)

Owen · Mar 6, 2003

Handy,

The cylinder is short because that is a .45 ACP. The cylinder was shortened, and the barrel shank was lengthened so the bullet wouldn't float around in the cylinder for so long. In a revolver, the quicker a bullet gets into the barrel, the more accurate it will be.

PS, I wrote the programs for a couple of operations on that barrel

It also has a nonstandard twist rate(IIRC), and a smaller bore size/deeper rifling that a standard S&W .45

Tamara · Mar 6, 2003

tetchaje1,

Looks like a 586 L-Comp...

CZ-75 · Mar 6, 2003

Where can I sign up for one of those?

Looks like a K-Comp.

Try going to the S&W site, then the performance center page.

Maybe Lew Horton's.

They may not make them anymore, or only in batches for someplace like Lew Horton.

CZ-75 · Mar 6, 2003

L-Comp

http://www.smith-wesson.com/products/firearms/pc/pc586.htm

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