My understanding is that "thugs" intending to violent crimes and crimes that have a likely-hood of turning violent, will used anything they can get a hold of with suitable ammo. The smarter ones will avoid stepping instead a gun shop or have anyone buy one for them due to any found firearm at crime scene can and will be traced back to the last buyer.
Hi Point pistols, well worth the money!
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Ernie Bass
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whm1974
They do. They just let Jimenez and Phoenix sell them.
I hope the New LCP22 runs as great as the Phoenix that cost about half the retail price. And I know plenty of folks that buy them, NOT because of cost. I also wonder if Price point in a LGS has something to do with them carrying Hi Points. Not enough markup. If I do buy a Hi Point and the BTAF wants to track me down then have at it. Let them waste there time.
And I seriously doubt the majority of thugs all have Hi Points. That is laughable.
"... I seriously doubt the majority of thugs all have Hi Points."
No one said that.
As to thugs buying guns , if an inexpensive gun bought buy a straw buyer in a retail shop is cheaper than a hot gun on the street , there is your "price point".
A buddy of mine - a hunter rather than a sport shooter or collector - showed me his Hi Point a couple years back , said "It works so I keep it" , and that was that. It never occurred to be to get on his case.
Lesson : If Hi Point proponents did not seek on-line validation these flaps would not happen.
This Hi Point thread - one of many - is taking the inevitable turn that will lead to it's demise.
No one said that.
As to thugs buying guns , if an inexpensive gun bought buy a straw buyer in a retail shop is cheaper than a hot gun on the street , there is your "price point".
A buddy of mine - a hunter rather than a sport shooter or collector - showed me his Hi Point a couple years back , said "It works so I keep it" , and that was that. It never occurred to be to get on his case.
Lesson : If Hi Point proponents did not seek on-line validation these flaps would not happen.
This Hi Point thread - one of many - is taking the inevitable turn that will lead to it's demise.
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Ernie Bass
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"Folks need to quite raining down on their parade." This is America and we still have the right and freedom to Choose. (at least for a while)
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Buckeye63
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I have had a couple of Hipoint C9’s in the past and one Hipoint in 45acp ... all functioned great ... the 45 was actually a great shooter..
I have also owned a few on there carbines , 9mm, 45acp & one in 10mm ... all functioned perfectly ..
I don’t have any Hipoints at this time .. but if I ran across a C9 or a 45 dirt cheap .. I would be tempted
As others mentioned.. if you are diligent and take a bit of time .. you can invest just a bit more and get a better pistol ... especially before the Virus panic buying frenzy...
I have a S&W SD9VE .. that I purchased new on Gunbroker at a crazy low price ... Dang great pistol
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I picked up a Taurus G2 in the same fashion... another great pistol 2 bills
I took advantage of the S&W rebate on the Shield
@ 2 bills ... shipped .. could not be beat
Locally I purchased a Ruger P95 used that was in very good condition... very well kept ... for 225
I know all of these are more expensive than a HP
But still in the same ballpark
I must tell my story about my experience with Hipoint customer service....
I had a older rusty model Hipoint carbine .. picked it up at a yard-sale for $85.00 ... it was well used but the owner said it worked well ... It did .... I purchased a couple of extra mags from HP ... I ran countless rounds through it .. killed several ground hogs and one wild dog ( Coy-dog ) ..
My brother kept it for a few years ... he had a mountain of cheap 9mm reloads he bought at a flea- market ..
My brother and I went to cut a few loads of firewood.. the 9mm Carbine went with us .. a long story short .. my brother backed over it with the truck..
Broke the stock , bent the barrel.. broke off sights .. and such .... I called HP .. they said .. send it in .. I did .. they sent me a new carbine with my guns serial number on it ... and 3 magazines ... all at no cost
Best CS ... period
I have also owned a few on there carbines , 9mm, 45acp & one in 10mm ... all functioned perfectly ..
I don’t have any Hipoints at this time .. but if I ran across a C9 or a 45 dirt cheap .. I would be tempted
As others mentioned.. if you are diligent and take a bit of time .. you can invest just a bit more and get a better pistol ... especially before the Virus panic buying frenzy...
I have a S&W SD9VE .. that I purchased new on Gunbroker at a crazy low price ... Dang great pistol
235
I picked up a Taurus G2 in the same fashion... another great pistol 2 bills
I took advantage of the S&W rebate on the Shield
@ 2 bills ... shipped .. could not be beat
Locally I purchased a Ruger P95 used that was in very good condition... very well kept ... for 225
I know all of these are more expensive than a HP
But still in the same ballpark
I must tell my story about my experience with Hipoint customer service....
I had a older rusty model Hipoint carbine .. picked it up at a yard-sale for $85.00 ... it was well used but the owner said it worked well ... It did .... I purchased a couple of extra mags from HP ... I ran countless rounds through it .. killed several ground hogs and one wild dog ( Coy-dog ) ..
My brother kept it for a few years ... he had a mountain of cheap 9mm reloads he bought at a flea- market ..
My brother and I went to cut a few loads of firewood.. the 9mm Carbine went with us .. a long story short .. my brother backed over it with the truck..
Broke the stock , bent the barrel.. broke off sights .. and such .... I called HP .. they said .. send it in .. I did .. they sent me a new carbine with my guns serial number on it ... and 3 magazines ... all at no cost
Best CS ... period
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MedWheeler
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..and I agree. That's why I questioned Bikerdoc about his store's policy. However, it appears that his store's experiences have been different than what we would have surmised.
..and I agree. That's why I questioned Bikerdoc about his store's policy. However, it appears that his store's experiences have been different than what we would have surmised.
For fairness and objectivity , lets take guns out of this retail scenario.
Put yourself in the position of an owner/manager of a retail business that sells many types of make and model of a general type of product - whatever that may be. You have repeated and unwanted interaction with law enforcement primarily due to one particular make and model. Why would you not give serious consideration of reducing that unwanted interaction by eliminating that one make and model? To do so make good business sense. Law enforcement interaction is not good for business.
Who said that? Wasn't me.
Ernie Bass
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"When I saw this thread I said to myself , "Self , if they want to have a Happy Hi Point thread they are well within their rights to do so - don't rain on the parade!"
Was your exact quote. Sorry if I misquoted you. I have no dog in this fight. Please feel free to go on as you wish.I am out. Have a good day.
PS I amended the post. You can quote me as saying it. No big deal. It is my feeling anyway.
Was your exact quote. Sorry if I misquoted you. I have no dog in this fight. Please feel free to go on as you wish.I am out. Have a good day.
PS I amended the post. You can quote me as saying it. No big deal. It is my feeling anyway.
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jhb
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I've shot a 9mm version enough to know its junk. wifes family member has one. worst trigger and trigger slap I've ever felt. so bad I dont shoot it anymore when we go to his home. he has a range and we always shoot and I tell him to leave that one in the house. it's a terrible gun in general. people who say they love them I'm blown away. clunky, awkward, heavy, and who likes getting their trigger finger slapped so hard it goes numb, with every shot?
Ironicaintit
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When the trigger itself snaps forward and slap your index finger
Several? I seriously wonder if a decent percentage of Hi Point's annual sales aren't as a result of people torture testing multiples of their guns. You can't swing a bag of tannerite without hitting some 'tuber who's decided to (attempt to) blow up a couple Hi Points.
GunnyUSMC
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WARNING!!
This post may upset some, so get your box of tissues out.
I’ve read all four pages , Y’all are making me laugh.
I compare some of these arguments to arguing about what’s better for brushing your teeth, a stick or a tooth brush.
But these things happen every time something cheap is liked and the ones that like the item is willing to defend it. But fear not Defenders of the cheap, you are in the same class as the McDonald Happy Meal toy collector.
Ok, now just calm down and don’t get your panties in a knot.
If you own a Hi Point and like it, then it really doesn’t matter if someone else doesn’t.
Let me pass on a little info that some of you may not know.
At one time Hi Points were very popular with thugs and low level criminals. But this is not the reason Tom Deeb built Hi Point firearms. Tom was just a redneck that wanted to build and sell affordable guns that functioned property.
Tom knew that his guns were being used by criminals and worked with the federal government to make catching the criminals using his guns much easier. Just pull back the slide on your Hi Point and look at the breach face. You will see some grinding marks like it was hit with a tiny belt sander. In fact, that is what happened. These marks are transferred to the primer on the cartridge cases when fired. Cartridge cases fired from a Hi Point firearm are one of the easiest to match up.
Also look down your barrel. You will find that the rifling has a left hand twist instead of right hand. And that it has more lands and groves then your standard barrels. This is also to make the bullets very easy to match to a gun.
Hi Point firearms are very cheap to manufactured and that is why they sell for such a great price. But fear not, they are sold at a very nice profit margin, sometimes at a better margin then some of the well known guns on the market.
Is a Hi Point a good gun?
They function, even when beat to hell and back.
Will they hit what you are aiming at?
Yes, they do a pretty good job.
But that’s about where the good stops. Here’s the bad.
They are boat anchor heavy.
The trigger sucks.
The sights are made of cheap plastic.
The grips are made of cheap plastic.
The magazines are made of thin metal and are single stack.
The firing pin is also your ejector.
But why do people buy them? There are many reasons why, but one is not because it’s a quality made firearm.
Hi Point also has a great warranty. It doesn’t matter if you are the original or the fifth owner, it is still covered.
Most often Hi Point will just replace your gun if you send it back to them. This is because it’s just cheaper to replace it then to fix it.
Now I, myself, have never owned a Hi Point, but I have fired a few hundred different ones just in the past seven years.
I have also learned how to work on them as part of my job. And yes, I have had to work on many to get them to function, but these were abused like red headed stepchildren with freckles.
Now if you want a boat anchor of a gun that will work, get one.
If you can’t afford anything better, get one.
But don’t start crying when someone says something bad about your Hi Point.
Owning a Hi Point is like dating an ugly fat girl. She may be good, but you don’t go around showing her off.
So if you have a Hi Point, just enjoy it and don’t care about what people think.
This post may upset some, so get your box of tissues out.
I’ve read all four pages , Y’all are making me laugh.
I compare some of these arguments to arguing about what’s better for brushing your teeth, a stick or a tooth brush.
But these things happen every time something cheap is liked and the ones that like the item is willing to defend it. But fear not Defenders of the cheap, you are in the same class as the McDonald Happy Meal toy collector.
Ok, now just calm down and don’t get your panties in a knot.
If you own a Hi Point and like it, then it really doesn’t matter if someone else doesn’t.
Let me pass on a little info that some of you may not know.
At one time Hi Points were very popular with thugs and low level criminals. But this is not the reason Tom Deeb built Hi Point firearms. Tom was just a redneck that wanted to build and sell affordable guns that functioned property.
Tom knew that his guns were being used by criminals and worked with the federal government to make catching the criminals using his guns much easier. Just pull back the slide on your Hi Point and look at the breach face. You will see some grinding marks like it was hit with a tiny belt sander. In fact, that is what happened. These marks are transferred to the primer on the cartridge cases when fired. Cartridge cases fired from a Hi Point firearm are one of the easiest to match up.
Also look down your barrel. You will find that the rifling has a left hand twist instead of right hand. And that it has more lands and groves then your standard barrels. This is also to make the bullets very easy to match to a gun.
Hi Point firearms are very cheap to manufactured and that is why they sell for such a great price. But fear not, they are sold at a very nice profit margin, sometimes at a better margin then some of the well known guns on the market.
Is a Hi Point a good gun?
They function, even when beat to hell and back.
Will they hit what you are aiming at?
Yes, they do a pretty good job.
But that’s about where the good stops. Here’s the bad.
They are boat anchor heavy.
The trigger sucks.
The sights are made of cheap plastic.
The grips are made of cheap plastic.
The magazines are made of thin metal and are single stack.
The firing pin is also your ejector.
But why do people buy them? There are many reasons why, but one is not because it’s a quality made firearm.
Hi Point also has a great warranty. It doesn’t matter if you are the original or the fifth owner, it is still covered.
Most often Hi Point will just replace your gun if you send it back to them. This is because it’s just cheaper to replace it then to fix it.
Now I, myself, have never owned a Hi Point, but I have fired a few hundred different ones just in the past seven years.
I have also learned how to work on them as part of my job. And yes, I have had to work on many to get them to function, but these were abused like red headed stepchildren with freckles.
Now if you want a boat anchor of a gun that will work, get one.
If you can’t afford anything better, get one.
But don’t start crying when someone says something bad about your Hi Point.
Owning a Hi Point is like dating an ugly fat girl. She may be good, but you don’t go around showing her off.
So if you have a Hi Point, just enjoy it and don’t care about what people think.
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Ironicaintit
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Hey I like bigger ladies, rusty old cars, and know a guy putting a big bore kit in a moped.
Ernie Bass
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Ah, I love the smell of stale beer and cheap perfume!
Lol, I would bet that High Point owners really could care less what anyone of the internet has to say about them. I think it bothers the Non-owners more than the owners. I will never buy one, but then again, never say never.
Lol, I would bet that High Point owners really could care less what anyone of the internet has to say about them. I think it bothers the Non-owners more than the owners. I will never buy one, but then again, never say never.
Howland937
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Since the days of buying functional firearms under $100 have gone mostly by the wayside, the OP's claim that HP are "worth the money" is probably accurate... Will a $10 ratchet tighten bolts? Sure. Just as tight as a $100 Snap-On ratchet... So why would I want a drawer full of Snap-On ratchets instead of the cheap ones? Because when I'm doing something that matters, I want the best tool I can get for the job. Part of that is knowing that it's going to work. Part of it is ease of use/ergonomics if using it for an extended period.
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The Hi-point will get the job done ...
but now you can spend just a BIT more and git ALOT more ...especially before the Virus scare ... toilet paper and guns
as I mentioned in a earlier post ...
Depending where you buy one at, you can get an 9mm Hi-Point pistol and at least one box of decent ammo for the same price of these Just a Bit more better guns you referring to.
I did exactly that with their .45 and a box ammo for less then ~$220 over ten years ago.
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