Hi-Point Quality!
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CajunBass
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Man. It's amazing how this thing gets beat up. 
Walt Sherrill
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In a lot of states, if you don't conceal your weapons, you can get in trouble. Here in NC, it can be considered a misdemeanor offense -- if you "terrorize" the public with your bared weapon.
And while its legal to openly carry, you better have a permit if you conceal your weapon. The right to bare arms, here, requires a special permit, training course, and background check.
(There's more than one way to have a play on words with this one... <grin>)
And while its legal to openly carry, you better have a permit if you conceal your weapon. The right to bare arms, here, requires a special permit, training course, and background check.
(There's more than one way to have a play on words with this one... <grin>)
I don't have a lot of work to do today so I intend to go to two of our local gun shops and see what kind of quality guns I can buy for the price of a new HP. One of these gun shops has a new HP and I go by what he wants for his new HP to compare the price.
I will report back with a list later on today.
Javelin Man
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After reading this thread, I decided to register and voice my opinion on Hi-Points, and the people who bash them.
It seems there are a couple people on this thread preaching to two different choirs; one whom says Hi-Points are an inexpensive (not cheap) form of self-defence, not necessarily CC, and the other says a blanket statement that all Hi-Points are junk and he'd sell a friend his Colt 1911 for the price of a Hi-Point.
The last gun I purchased was a .45 acp Hi-Point. I just wanted a .45 and at $150, I wasn't going to break the bank, or waste my daughter's college fund. Conceal carry, no, because the thing is too large. Heavy? No, my Heritage Arms .22 weighs the same. Sure the slide is bucky and therein lies the weight, but it also helps cushion the recoil of the mighty .45 for these old, arthritic wrists. The gun is ugly, but so are Glocks, and Steyers. To each his own.
I also own a couple Kel-tecs and my .32 slips in my pocket daily and my 9mm on my side. A little polishing and they're very good. Everybody should be able to disassemble their guns and polish a feed ramp if they can clean a gun. As my monicker indicates, I drive a 1973 Javelin. I enjoy tinkering with things to get them running well.
As for expensive guns, I also own a S&W mod 36. The cylinder locked up on me yesterday. I thought it was supposed to be reliable. Wheelguns never let you down! Maybe it was jealous I've been playing with the automatics.
Back to the Hi-Point, It has never failed to go bang and to load the next round. At 27 paces, I knocked out the X on the bullseye. The other three shots were within a couple inches.
What more could anybody ask? I've heard many times of Kahrs and Glocks malfunctioning. My guess is the rate of failure of perfect performance for those higher price guns is higher than Hi-Points. Mind you, it's only a guess, but I don't think I'm wrong. I've heard very few stories of failures of Hi-Points, and many stories of the others.
I also owned a Lorcin .380. It also went bang everytime and loaded perfectly. I kick myself for selling it. My .25 Lorcin, well, as accurate as it is, can't quite be relied on to feed correctly.
As for those who bash the Hi-Points, grow up. Not everyone can afford to waste their money on guns that do the same thing. Go out and buy a Hi-Point. Plink with it. Sell it after a while and you won't be out any money but will have gained a valuable experience. It serves a valuable purpose. Many people will buy a hi-Point and get into shooting, and then move up in the firearm hierarchy. Others may just spend the last of their Social Security check and be able to defend themselves. I'd rather defend my family with my Hi-Point .45 than with my Kel-tec 9mm or .32, but it's kind of hard to carry it around, even with a shoulder harness.
Certainly anyone who would spend money on an old Mauser sees the value in purchasing any firearm. If Hi-Points are junk, let's get rid of Mausers, SKS's and AK-47's. You see how rediculous this statement is; that's how foolish a blanket statement is about bashing Hi-Points. If a Mak, Mauser, SKS etc., breaks, can you send it to the factory for a free fix? Like I stated before, please go out and buy a Hi-Point, or steal one from a gangstuh and shoot it. Then respond with experience, not prejudice.
It seems there are a couple people on this thread preaching to two different choirs; one whom says Hi-Points are an inexpensive (not cheap) form of self-defence, not necessarily CC, and the other says a blanket statement that all Hi-Points are junk and he'd sell a friend his Colt 1911 for the price of a Hi-Point.
The last gun I purchased was a .45 acp Hi-Point. I just wanted a .45 and at $150, I wasn't going to break the bank, or waste my daughter's college fund. Conceal carry, no, because the thing is too large. Heavy? No, my Heritage Arms .22 weighs the same. Sure the slide is bucky and therein lies the weight, but it also helps cushion the recoil of the mighty .45 for these old, arthritic wrists. The gun is ugly, but so are Glocks, and Steyers. To each his own.
I also own a couple Kel-tecs and my .32 slips in my pocket daily and my 9mm on my side. A little polishing and they're very good. Everybody should be able to disassemble their guns and polish a feed ramp if they can clean a gun. As my monicker indicates, I drive a 1973 Javelin. I enjoy tinkering with things to get them running well.
As for expensive guns, I also own a S&W mod 36. The cylinder locked up on me yesterday. I thought it was supposed to be reliable. Wheelguns never let you down! Maybe it was jealous I've been playing with the automatics.
Back to the Hi-Point, It has never failed to go bang and to load the next round. At 27 paces, I knocked out the X on the bullseye. The other three shots were within a couple inches.
What more could anybody ask? I've heard many times of Kahrs and Glocks malfunctioning. My guess is the rate of failure of perfect performance for those higher price guns is higher than Hi-Points. Mind you, it's only a guess, but I don't think I'm wrong. I've heard very few stories of failures of Hi-Points, and many stories of the others.
I also owned a Lorcin .380. It also went bang everytime and loaded perfectly. I kick myself for selling it. My .25 Lorcin, well, as accurate as it is, can't quite be relied on to feed correctly.
As for those who bash the Hi-Points, grow up. Not everyone can afford to waste their money on guns that do the same thing. Go out and buy a Hi-Point. Plink with it. Sell it after a while and you won't be out any money but will have gained a valuable experience. It serves a valuable purpose. Many people will buy a hi-Point and get into shooting, and then move up in the firearm hierarchy. Others may just spend the last of their Social Security check and be able to defend themselves. I'd rather defend my family with my Hi-Point .45 than with my Kel-tec 9mm or .32, but it's kind of hard to carry it around, even with a shoulder harness.
Certainly anyone who would spend money on an old Mauser sees the value in purchasing any firearm. If Hi-Points are junk, let's get rid of Mausers, SKS's and AK-47's. You see how rediculous this statement is; that's how foolish a blanket statement is about bashing Hi-Points. If a Mak, Mauser, SKS etc., breaks, can you send it to the factory for a free fix? Like I stated before, please go out and buy a Hi-Point, or steal one from a gangstuh and shoot it. Then respond with experience, not prejudice.
CajunBass
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If anyone has a Colt they'd like to sell for the price of a Hi-Point, please feel free to contact me. [email protected].
SLCDave
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Where are you finding used Springfield GI's in the same area code as a Hi-Point? I never see the Smith's this low either, but I've never heard about a sub $200 GI model.
I was in a shop over the weekend, and saw the Hi-Piont lineup. The .45 was the only one over $100 (at $129), and would have made a decent club if it jammed. I asked the counter guy if he had ever shot one, and he made the same "Life's too short to shoot THOSE"-type comments. Then, he did mention that he's never had one come back with a problem, and had many people come back and buy more of them.
I can see where they might fill a niche, maybe as a truck gun or a tackle box gun. Something you wouldn't cry over if it were scratched, damaged or stolen. It was heavy, the safety was crude, but effective (I wouldn't want to have to fumble with it in a SD situation), and it wasn't pretty. For someone that NEEDED a gun YESTERDAY, and had a tight budget, I'm sure it would work for them. If they had time, and a knowledge of the Mak or a Star, and where to find one, this might be a better choice. If they had one of the mythical local shops where the Smiths and Springer GI's were $150, I'd go there.
I just got back fro two of our local gun shops.
They has used HP's for $100 and new ones for $150.
In that price range and even less there were several much better choices for those of us that know guns.
For home defense there were at least 8 good used Mossberg pump shotguns I could have bought for $150. There were several good single shot shotguns I could have bought for $100 or less.
For defense for those of us that do not live in the city there were plenty of good SKS rifles and plenty of surplus Mausers and Enfields. All for less than $150 and some for less than $100. There were also several quality .22 rifles for less than the price of a HP. I would even rather have a good quality .22 rifle for defense than a HP.
In the carry gun line I found a good solid used Bersa .380 that they were asking $165 for. $150 would most likely buy it. A well used but sound Charter Arms .38 for about $150. It was not pretty but it sure beats trying to stuff a POS HP in your pocket.
I found a Makarov that I could buy for about $150. A PA-63 for $140.
For plinking and fun I found a good old H&R .22 revolver for $120.
Again I saw no reason to waste money on a HP.
They has used HP's for $100 and new ones for $150.
In that price range and even less there were several much better choices for those of us that know guns.
For home defense there were at least 8 good used Mossberg pump shotguns I could have bought for $150. There were several good single shot shotguns I could have bought for $100 or less.
For defense for those of us that do not live in the city there were plenty of good SKS rifles and plenty of surplus Mausers and Enfields. All for less than $150 and some for less than $100. There were also several quality .22 rifles for less than the price of a HP. I would even rather have a good quality .22 rifle for defense than a HP.
In the carry gun line I found a good solid used Bersa .380 that they were asking $165 for. $150 would most likely buy it. A well used but sound Charter Arms .38 for about $150. It was not pretty but it sure beats trying to stuff a POS HP in your pocket.
I found a Makarov that I could buy for about $150. A PA-63 for $140.
For plinking and fun I found a good old H&R .22 revolver for $120.
Again I saw no reason to waste money on a HP.
Javelin Man
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I would never let a friend shoot a Mauser. I would rather give a friend a Marlin lever action 30-30. A Mauser is such a POS.
I would never let a friend drive a Chevy, either. I'd rather give him my Mercedes. A Chevy is such a POS. A friend of mine sold his Chevy. It was the best thing he ever did. For a few more dollars, you could buy a Cadillac.
A single shot shotgun for defense? Right. Hold still, whilst I reload. Now where did I drop that shell? Pardon me, I was holding a flashlight with my spare hand.
You can see how rediculous some people make themselves look by making prejudice statements.
I make my claims by experience. It's obvious you only have opinions of others and did not bother to gain the experience. Your loss. :banghead:
Never argue with an idiot; some people might not know which one you are.
I would never let a friend drive a Chevy, either. I'd rather give him my Mercedes. A Chevy is such a POS. A friend of mine sold his Chevy. It was the best thing he ever did. For a few more dollars, you could buy a Cadillac.
A single shot shotgun for defense? Right. Hold still, whilst I reload. Now where did I drop that shell? Pardon me, I was holding a flashlight with my spare hand.
You can see how rediculous some people make themselves look by making prejudice statements.
I make my claims by experience. It's obvious you only have opinions of others and did not bother to gain the experience. Your loss. :banghead:
Never argue with an idiot; some people might not know which one you are.
Pietro Beretta
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Hey BOBBY.
Out of all those guns, If one decides to break... What company is going to replace it, FREE? FOR LIFE? Withought giving you any hassle?
Hi-Point.
Also I earlier I stated for 140$ out the door (in California) this is a great plinking gun.
However I would not trust it with my life.
Out of all those guns, If one decides to break... What company is going to replace it, FREE? FOR LIFE? Withought giving you any hassle?
Hi-Point.
Also I earlier I stated for 140$ out the door (in California) this is a great plinking gun.
However I would not trust it with my life.
just my opinion, but if you were going to spend $100+ on ANYTHING, wouldn't the "average" person (by saying average i am assuming they are in possession of a brain) do a little bit of research first? That being said, they would find the Star BMs and Makarovs and used Smiths.
I don't need a warranty on any of my guns. I don't buy junk that is sure to break like a HP or Lorcin.
If something does go wrong with anything I own I can fix it myself. I am not a helpless idiot that has to send stuff back to the factory for a simple repair.
Cavalry
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yea thats because it would only coast them about $5 to fix anything on the gun
Posted by Pietro Beretta,
"Also I earlier I stated for 140$ out the door (in California) this is a great plinking gun.
However I would not trust it with my life."
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Why do you not trust it with your life? Could it be that you KNOW it is not a quality gun?
If so what is your point in all of this?
"Also I earlier I stated for 140$ out the door (in California) this is a great plinking gun.
However I would not trust it with my life."
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Why do you not trust it with your life? Could it be that you KNOW it is not a quality gun?
If so what is your point in all of this?
Pietro Beretta
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I would not Trust it with my life since in the total of 200 rounds I fired through it, 11 jammed (hollow points). Thats 11 out of 200 that someone could have shot me first.
However most guns have a break in period of a few hundred rounds....
However I stated that now (seemingly anyway) I have fixed that problem...Although I wouldnt want to test that in a real life fire-fight situation.
(in my original posts about my testing of a hi-point I made it seem like it wasnt my own, when infact it was. Since I dont see anything wrong with my hi-point I came out of the closet so to speak)
I would trust my SKS over the hi-point... WHY? I have put over 1000 rounds through my Yugo SKS, withought a mis-fire. I would trust my .22lr beretta over my hp I have put over 1000 rounds through this beretta withought a misfire. I would trust my 30-30 over my hi-point... Why? Ive shot over 300 rounds through it, with out a misfeed-fire....
I would take my hi-point over my 10/22, not because its a 9mm but because that damn 10/22 jams once or twice every 10 rounds, unless im using expensive CCI's.
However my 10/22 is a great cost effective plinking gun.
My Hi-point is a great plinking gun, and no its not going to piss me off If it gets stolen from my car when I have it in their.
When i get my SA XD... if that got stolen I would be PISSED 550 is too much to get stolen 140 isnt. imo
However most guns have a break in period of a few hundred rounds....
However I stated that now (seemingly anyway) I have fixed that problem...Although I wouldnt want to test that in a real life fire-fight situation.
(in my original posts about my testing of a hi-point I made it seem like it wasnt my own, when infact it was. Since I dont see anything wrong with my hi-point I came out of the closet so to speak)
I would trust my SKS over the hi-point... WHY? I have put over 1000 rounds through my Yugo SKS, withought a mis-fire. I would trust my .22lr beretta over my hp I have put over 1000 rounds through this beretta withought a misfire. I would trust my 30-30 over my hi-point... Why? Ive shot over 300 rounds through it, with out a misfeed-fire....
I would take my hi-point over my 10/22, not because its a 9mm but because that damn 10/22 jams once or twice every 10 rounds, unless im using expensive CCI's.
However my 10/22 is a great cost effective plinking gun.
My Hi-point is a great plinking gun, and no its not going to piss me off If it gets stolen from my car when I have it in their.
When i get my SA XD... if that got stolen I would be PISSED 550 is too much to get stolen 140 isnt. imo
Javelin Man
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Well, if we're going to use single shots, I'll borrow my Dad's 1841 Ames 6 pounder. That will take care of multiple BG's. And the house. Kinda hard to conceal a 814 pound barrel plus the #2 carriage. Thankfully, I have a Mossburg 500 loaded with 00 buckshot nearby. It's the only gun not in a safe. Above it in the closet is my electronic safe with my carry pieces. My SKS, Saiga, Hi-Point, Ruger, H&R, Marlin, etc. are in other safes in the basement.
As for sounding like an idiot, imitation kind of made me look like one, didn't it? I did make a foolish statement about a Mauser, and a Chevy. They get the job done, and reliably besides. Why would one rail against a Hi-Point, a firearm that is reliable, no matter what YOU think. If you do believe it is worthless, please find a gangbanger that owns one and dare him to pull the trigger so you can hear it 'click'. I doubt that you will hear the click. Or anything else, ever.
There are obvious other better choices to conceal carry. There are other choices to plink. There are other choices for home defense. I'm not advocating everyone sell off their arsenal and purchase just one Hi-Point. However, nobody should be telling others that buying a Hi-Point is Wrong. This is the U.S.A. and we can have choices. I believe the original poster asked for educated opinions, not attacks on the gun. Sure, if you have experience with the gun, do tell your story, good or bad. If not, allow someone else with experience on the topic give a more qualified opinion than yourself.
Even someone in California can purchase these handguns which, as hard as it is to say, is an endorsement right there.
As for sounding like an idiot, imitation kind of made me look like one, didn't it? I did make a foolish statement about a Mauser, and a Chevy. They get the job done, and reliably besides. Why would one rail against a Hi-Point, a firearm that is reliable, no matter what YOU think. If you do believe it is worthless, please find a gangbanger that owns one and dare him to pull the trigger so you can hear it 'click'. I doubt that you will hear the click. Or anything else, ever.
There are obvious other better choices to conceal carry. There are other choices to plink. There are other choices for home defense. I'm not advocating everyone sell off their arsenal and purchase just one Hi-Point. However, nobody should be telling others that buying a Hi-Point is Wrong. This is the U.S.A. and we can have choices. I believe the original poster asked for educated opinions, not attacks on the gun. Sure, if you have experience with the gun, do tell your story, good or bad. If not, allow someone else with experience on the topic give a more qualified opinion than yourself.
Even someone in California can purchase these handguns which, as hard as it is to say, is an endorsement right there.
Cavalry
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Having a High Point is like riding a bike, its cool until your friends see you doing it, buy a Beretta
Javelin Man
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Cavalry, you're right about it not being cool. I had to chuckle when I read your post. If there's one gun of mine I'd keep concealed, it's the Hi-Point. Unfortunately, mine's the .45 and concealing it on my small frame is not an option. The small 9mm's might work to conceal, but again, like a Glock, it's not pretty. Of course, both have that utilitarian kind of look to them.
If there's one major design flaw that hampers the high point's performance, I'd blame the magazine. I think just a little more material could make a big difference in the performance of the gun. Mine hasn't yet failed to load, but in playing just the mag, I can see where it could hang up and be the cause of a problem.
Of course, ALL of my other gun's magazine's are perfect.
Yup, a Hi-Point is like a work car that has rust and dents; it still works, but you wouldn't show it off to brag.
I had to chuckle when I read your post. If there's one gun of mine I'd keep concealed, it's the Hi-Point. Unfortunately, mine's the .45 and concealing it on my small frame is not an option. The small 9mm's might work to conceal, but again, like a Glock, it's not pretty. Of course, both have that utilitarian kind of look to them.If there's one major design flaw that hampers the high point's performance, I'd blame the magazine. I think just a little more material could make a big difference in the performance of the gun. Mine hasn't yet failed to load, but in playing just the mag, I can see where it could hang up and be the cause of a problem.
Of course, ALL of my other gun's magazine's are perfect.
Yup, a Hi-Point is like a work car that has rust and dents; it still works, but you wouldn't show it off to brag.
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