Hi-Point Quality!

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i understand that some people dont like hi point's
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I don't like or dislike them, and that's not what the thread was about anyway. Preference is an odd and unpredictable thing. Quality is a bit more concrete.
they really r reliable and accurate
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Well, clearly SOME are reliable and accurate, however, we've heard from a few HP owners on this thread who said theirs weren't. YOURS is accurate and reliable, but the guy who buried his in the desert certainly wouldn't agree. The ones that have crossed my path weren't reliable, I can't speak for their accuracy.

Again, I think the clearest answer can be had by reading through the thread and concentrating ONLY on posts from users. I've done it a couple of times, and the picture painted isn't one of a quality firearm.

If you've got one that works, that's great. If you've got one that you like, that's good too. Do I look down on you? Nope. Do I think you're stupid? No. But none of that makes HPs quality firearms.
 
I don't like or dislike them, and that's not what the thread was about anyway. Preference is an odd and unpredictable thing. Quality is a bit more concrete
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If one uses logic and common sense and a good general knowledge of firearms to chose the guns you buy you would be a lot better off.

If one has good general knowledge of firearms you could see that the HP is a poorly made gun made from poor quality materials.

If you have the ability to use common sense and logic you would know that this type firearm is not what one needs for any serious purpose.

It has NOTHING to do with like or dislike or "feelings" or any other sort of BS.

You can like or dislike how the HP "feels" in your hand or how it "looks" but if you know guns you can't debate the quality issue because there is no quality there.
 
I have never held or shot a Mak, but I won't say anything bad about them. Others are still trying to convince people they know more about Hi-Points even though they've never held or shot one. :confused: Some on this thread have taken just the Hi-Point owners statements which is a wise thing and reached their own conclusions. That's the way to read this thread. Good for those people.

As for my life depending on it, yes, I have. Last week I heard a noise upstairs as I was sleeping in the basement. I stumbled over to the safes and had my choice of Saiga, SKS, Hi-Point carbine, Marlin, etc, but reached for the Hi-Point .45. My shotgun and 9mm and .32 and .38 were upstairs in the safe in the closet. Yes, the shotgun would've been a better choice than ANY handgun, Glock, Walther, Sig, Hi-Point, HK, but it wasn't within reach.

Fortunately, nothing was upstairs, but, I was putting my life on the line with a Hi-Point. Just the experience of a Hi-Point owner.

It can be a weapon for someone on a fixed income, social security, etc that don't have another $50 to spend on a used S&W, Mak, etc. Some people, like myself, can't find one like that at a local gunshop. I found my S&W mod 36 for $250 at a gun show. Excellent gun, I took my CCW class with it and I carried it until I got my 9mm. I still carry the .38 occasionally, but the cylinder jammed the other day when I fired it. First time it ever happened on that gun, and that's a quality gun. My Hi-Point hasn't jammed. Which should I depend upon? Again, just the experience of a Hi-Point owner. YMMV

Please don't degrade someone for choosing a Hi-Point for home defense, or for a first handgun. It may be all they can afford to purchase, and still buy some ammo to practice with. In my case, I just wanted a .45 acp with some pocket change and this fit the bill. I needed a heavier gun to cushion my arthritic wrists, though my neighbor's 1911 is much heavier. He wasn't about to sell me his for $100. I find the grip anatomically pleasing to my hands and easy to hold. Others don't feel that way, but some also like the way a Glock feels in their hands. Many others, myself included, don't like the way a Glock feels, but I'm not going to insult them for not liking a Glock. I picked up a Firestorm at a gunshow and it hurt my hand even holding it. The grip found a pressure point in my hand that wasn't compatible with that gun. I was considering a Kahr last year, but after researching them, I found the particular model I was looking at had a recall on the barrel. Not particularly reassuring for a high priced handgun. If I'm going to hit or miss on quality, I'd like to gamble as little money as possible.

I wanted to do proper research firsthand on a Hi-Point. No matter what, I wasn't going to be out much money if I didn't like it, but I found I did like it. Others have had the same experience. Others still, especially long, long ago, had different experiences. Hi-Point started making firearms 18 years ago and is still owned and operated by the original owner. He is making an inexpensive firearm to fill the needs of many people.

I say, do your research firsthand, not the biased opinions of some, myself included, though my opinion has fact and experience to it.
 
Others are still trying to convince people they know more about Hi-Points even though they've never held or shot one.
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I've said more than once that people should read through this thread ONLY looking at the comments posted by the HP owners and then make their own decision.
 
I'm not going to beat the dead horse about Hi-Points anymore. I like mine, and if you don't that's fine too.

But I was just looking through the "Trading Post" newspaper for this week. I'm sure your area has something similar. Apparently the used gun market here isn't what it is elsewhere. I admit there is a big difference between what people want and what they'll take if you start peeling off cash money.

I saw five guns for less than $200.00. A 12 ga Remington 870, for $185.00, A Marlin 22, for $150.00. A 410 Stevens for $100.00, A Japanese Arisaka 7.7 sporterized for $75.00 and a "45 Auto" (no brand listed, but I would guess a Hi-Point) for $50.00. I've got a call in to that guy. :)
 
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Anyone who's undecided, re-read the thread and ONLY read the comments by the HP owners. I think they make the case better than anyone else could.
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I took his advice and did just that.

Ten owners responded positively -- TheBucket, Clone, HKSW, Boofus, CajunBass, Ridge, Plevniak, Pietro Beretta, Jim101, and Javelin Man.

On prior HiPoint owner, DenFoote, responded negatively; he noted that he had owned his many years ago.

One of the current owners said he had experienced problems, possibly breakin issues -- and he said he fixed it/it fixed itself.

You do the math: 91% of those who have owned them like them, and 100% of those who have bought them in recent years like them.

The vast majority of the negative messages on this topic came from two people, JohnKsa and Bobby Lee, neither of whom have owned the guns and one of whom, Bobby Lee, has never even shot one.

Both of these guys also say there are better buys for the money,

I've yet to see anything selling in the $100 range that might be considered quality. The often mentioned used S&W revolvers touted as being in the same price range are never available around here for under $175 -- and those are often pretty rough. (And almost always .38 Special.)

The Stars mentioned previously are probably the closest to filling the bill, but not everyone can find them, locally -- which is needed to avoid transfer fees and shipping... and the ones I've seen were $150+.

One guy mentioned seeing Hi-Points for $200+ Right. I see overpriced stuff, too, but I don't buy it.

Is this a fair summary of the topic? If you think not, reread it, yourself...
 
The vast majority of the negative messages on this topic came from two people, JohnKsa and Bobby Lee, neither of whom have owned the guns and one of whom, Bobby Lee, has never even shot one.
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Where did I write in this or any other thread that I have never shot a HP.

Where did I state I have no experience with them?

I do admit to being smart enough not to waste my hard earned money on junk guns and that does include a HP.
 
My error. Sorry.

You don't say you that have NOT shot one. You also don't say that you HAVE shot one.

All your comments are about their obvious unsuitability, crappy quality, etc. But there are no real first-hand comments about their actual performance, handling, or anything else that would make the typical reader think you were speaking from experience. I guess I inferred too much. Given that, let me revise my comments above:

"The vast majority of the negative messages on this topic came from two people, JohnKsa and Bobby Lee, neither of whom have owned the guns and only one of whom even claims to have fired one."

Reminds me a lot of the comments I read about Glocks -- from people who have never owned them.
 
Did you see my name among the owners, listed above? Nope.

No, I don't own one. I have shot several. If I ever get a chance to pick one up, cheaply, I'll do it -- just for its conversational value.

I visit pawnshops and guns shops whenever I get a chance. I've simply not seen the great bargains touted here. I did pick up a Star Firestar Plus, once, for $125 -- and the dealer later acknowledged that he had it mispriced. I've never seen such a bargain, anywhere, since. I look for them, all the time.

I've also seen a single-shot shotgun mentioned as a good home defense weapon. We'll, I personally, wouldn't consider that -- as I know that when the time comes to use a home defense gun, I'm not going to be the coolest cucumber in the world, and reloading a single-shot shotgun assumes I've got ammo in a pocket, will have the time to reload, etc. (Why am I reloading? It might be that the first shot didn't work -- perhaps I missed. If the first shot didn't work, I may be pressed for time...)

A good pump shotgun for under $200 would be great. I haven't seen many of those, either...

My original response, days ago, was that two gun shop owners I know both said they were OK. Hi-Points were the only inexpensive guns they'll sell -- because, after doing this for years, they've come to realize that HPs are the only ones that don't come back to the seller.

Many of the folks who buy HPs are unfamiliar with handguns, don't know how to find a good buy, and probably wouldn't know one if they saw it. If one of them came into either of the gunshops I mentioned, and said they had less than $150 to spend, I think both owners would steer them to the HI-POINT. Around here, you can get a 9mm or .45 HP for under $125, out the door. I'd rather have either of those rounds over a .38 special, if push came to shove.

But, as with any home defense gun, I wouldn't depend on it until I've shot it enough to be sure I had confidence in it.

Both dealers would probably sell them a HP, not because they liked HPs better than other guns, but because they felt the HPs were reasonable products for the money available. (In their business -- selling guns -- they're not going to give them a gun, out of the goodness of their heart, and they're not going to sell them something that's going to cause the dealers problems later. To do either would be a poor business practice.)

So. Read the comments of the owners and decide for yourself. Or you can spend two to three times as much and have something you like a lot better. Not everybody seems to have that option.

Or you can totally ignore the comments of all NON-OWNERS. That might be the wisest course of action, on this topic.
 
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Ten owners responded positively -- TheBucket, Clone, HKSW, Boofus, CajunBass, Ridge, Plevniak, Pietro Beretta, Jim101, and Javelin Man.

On prior HiPoint owner, DenFoote, responded negatively; he noted that he had owned his many years ago.

One of the current owners said he had experienced problems, possibly breakin issues -- and he said he fixed it/it fixed itself.

You do the math: 91% of those who have owned them like them, and 100% of those who have bought them in recent years like them.
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I"ll repeat my advice. Anyone who wants to know the truth can go back and read the OWNER comments on this thread. As you well know, Walt, a good number of the people who "responded positively" had important negative comments to go with their "positive response" and your post that tries to boil this thread down to a single number doesn't come close to telling the story.
The vast majority of the negative messages on this topic came from two people, JohnKsa and Bobby Lee, neither of whom have owned the guns and one of whom, Bobby Lee, has never even shot one.
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My negative comments were not speculative, that is I did not comment on areas in which I have no experience. I didn't, for example, say that HP pistols were unreliable or inaccurate unless quoting an HP owner/shooter. So while your post may be technically accurate, it is also misleading. Furthermore, while I have made some negative comments, you are certainly aware that a good number of far more acerbic and pointed negative comments on this thread came from HP owners. Again, your comment while not untruthful is misleading.

I find it amusing, after some of the accusations of that have been tossed around on this thread, that I'm ending up as the one repeatedly saying that people should read the owner comments for themselves. :rolleyes:
 
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Good God! Just let the thread die, people! I think the last 3 pages have been the same thing over and over again!
 
Ok, that's funny coming from a guy who has a 9mm vs .45 comment as his sig line... ;)
 
I'm sorry, do you want to go on another 6 pages here about wether 9 or .45 is better? I just thought it was a cool quote so i used it as my signature. Stop looking for an argument.

edit: haha! looks like i'm the jackass now.. didn't see that smiley ;)
 
My experience

I have bought two hi-point 9mm composite pistols.

One sits in a case by where my wife works at her computer. She also has a monitor to watch the front door.

The other sits where ever I have left it after either cleaning it or taking it to the range.

The gun by my wife has only had 50 rounds of FMJ through it.

The gun I shoot for target practice has had over 1400 rounds though it with this caviat. It broke it's firing pin after 1200 rounds. The firing pin and spring and collar were sent to me from hi-point after I called them about shipping the pistol in. No charge for that.

Then the slide broke after about 1300 rounds. The slide broke where the tab sticks down that retains the return spring. The return spring launched itself down range and since I was at an outdoor range it was never found. I sent the weapon in for repair. It cost about $4.00 for shipping via FedEx. I sent it as broken machine parts, which it was. I did not include the magazine so it was not capable of firing. This was at Hi-points, (beemillers) suggestion. It might have something to do with the fact I live in Ohio so the machine parts did not have to cross state lines.

The weapon came back from repair about a month after I sent it in. It came back with two magazines. I had to pick it up from FedEx as it had to be signed for.

The weapon shoots again.

I also have a Bulgarian Mak, a CZ52, and a Yugo SKS.

I like all of my weapons.

I got the Mak because I wanted something a little easier to conceal carry and thought it would fit the bill. I am still deciding.

The CZ is just fun to shot.

So is the Yugo.

The thing is, I would probably have never got started in owning firearms if someone had not tried to break into our house while I was away at work. Our sturdy door and alarm system foiled the would be intruder and to give them credit the police showed up in about 3 minutes. It was the Police that actually scared off the intruder.

I found I really liked target practice with pistols. I would never have found this out if I had not gotten the first hi-point.

My recommendation, from usage would be this. Use only jacketed bullets in your hi-point. The manufacturer also recommends this.

Inspect your hi-point for stress in the slide. As it has been stated. The slide is fairly bulky and heavy. Now I know what to look for I will pay close attention to my hi-point once it nears the 1000 round mark.

I may be jumping the gun, so to speak, because the failure of my second hi-point might have been caused by me not lubricating the slide retainer pin with grease for the first 500 rounds or so. I used gun oil. I think the slide needs grease to help reduce wear in the channel the slide retainer pin moves in. That increased wear could have led to the firing pin and the slide breakage I experienced. Hi-Point has also modified their slide retainer pin to reduce wear on the slide channel. The rebuilt weapon I received had this newer slide retainer pin.

All in all I like the hi-point for what it is. A decent low cost weapon that works if you take the time to find out what ammo it will feed and what it will not. Mine did not like Federal Hydroshocks. That was the only hollow point I tried in it. I have fed a few different winchester FMJ types though it. It worked ok on the truncated cone 147g and all of the standard FMJ target ammo I tried. I found that tapping the magazine so all rounds are seated to the back improves reliability of feeding. Tuning the magazines by bending them a little here and there also helps. I have 6 magazines now and they all feed correctly on target FMJ.

I have not tested other hollow points besides the federal hydroshocks but will do so in the future. I may take up handloading to enable me to fire my CZ52 and Mak more often. If I do take up handloading I am sure I can create some hornady tipped 9mm that would be a decent defensive round.

If I am at home the pistols are there to allow me to get to the Yugo SKS, :).

I hope this helps. If you want a little more history of my Hi-point you can look at this.

http://home.columbus.rr.com/dzimmerm/guns.html

dzimmerm
 
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