hi point vs su16c

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Good day yall,

I have not been on the forum in a while, so hey to the new guys and how have you been to the old.

Ill make this quick and simple, Im looking to fill a gap in my collection. Im looking for a carbine with "hi cap" capability.....(more then 10rnds). Also trying to fill my "SHTF gun" gap but thats not my MAIN concern. More of all around shtf eotw, hd, utility fun gun. Kind of a jack of all trades.

Im looking at a high point 4595 due to price and I all ready reload 45acp. It can also take 1911 mags with some adjustment to the mags. Small, quick handling, light ammo, light recoil. Kind of limited to CQ.

Im also looking at a SU16C, its higher priced but I like the size, and how it folds for storing. It also can take 30 round GI M16/AR15 mags. Also has light ammo and little recoil. The main advantage it long rang capability as well as CQ.


I like the high point, mainly for the price, but Im willing to save my pennys for the SU. Looking for some thoughts and first hand experience's. Thanks
 
I like the Hi point, own a 9mm carbine and .45 pistol. Not exactly Hi Cap, though. 10 rounds for the carbine, 9 for the pistol. Not exactly sure what the mag cap on the .45 carbine is though, but I'll bet it's 10 or less. If it takes the same mag as the pistol, 9 rounds.

If you want hi cap, go with the Kel Tec and the 30 rnd mags. I've been looking long and hard at the Kel Tec SU-16 as a possible purchase. So far I'm not unimpressed with them.
 
I have all 3 HP carbines, they are ok but they do not take non factory mags well, and the factory mags fail often. The .40 and .45 both have after market mags, but they are only 15. I also have the Kel Tec in .40 S&W and would take it in a heartbeat over the HiPoint. Get the mag you want and you do not have to modify them at all.

If you are getting your info from HPFF remember the majority of those trolls are blind fanboys.
 
I don't know about the comments below the video about being a federal offense, but if you have a 1911 make no mistake, the mags will not be able to go from the HP to the 1911 and back, once modified, they are dedicated. You can get a Marlin Camp 45 that takes 1911 mags by design, and I think the Kel Tec takes Glock, they might ba able to have a 1911 configuration, not sure.
 
The 4595 is an ugly, unsophisticated, inexpensive CQ carbine. It's also reliable, as accurate as it needs to be, low recoil, and just the ticket for someone who needs a HD gun on a low budget. I bought one just for fun and it is fun, and because I couldn't see paying 600=1000 $ for the Marlin's or the Storm. I don't care about the hi-cap mags, and High Point sells their spare mags and other accessories at a reasonable price, no charge for shipping either. Mine has 700 rounds through it with one choke on a WWB cartridge. I'm in the process of load testing now, so far Unique and 230RN plated have been the most accurate. I've been tempted to buy one in 9mm, but I might opt for the sub 2000, just to try something different, and to have a folding gun for the camper. My gun shop tells me the used ones don't hang around very long. That tells me you could jump out of one pretty fast if you didn't like it. I bought mine on-line without ever holding one. I'm not disappointed.

Tom
 
Just to clarify, the SU16 is not the SUB2000.

SU-16 = .223
SUB2000 = 9mm, .40S&W and .45ACP.

SU-16 = poor mans AR
Sub-2000 = Rich mans Hi Point pistol caliber carbine. :D
 
Usafvet, come on now. They really aren't even much alike.(sub2000). U have virtually np options for a optic on the 2000. And it folds in half. And I didn't realize it was available in .45. That's actually why I got the hipoint. I wanted a decently priced .45 carbine that I could put a red dot on.
 
I'm not sure if it is available in .45, just assuming it was. Either way, I prefer the Hi point as well. Wouldn't own one if that wasn't the case.

I do like Kel-Tec, just not so much a fan of the sub2000.
 
I'm going to try the mag modification I'm the YouTube link above. I found some for $12. They are 15 rounders. I'll buy 1 just to try it and if it doesn't work then I'm not out much.
 
fallout mike said:
I'm going to try the mag modification I'm the YouTube link above. I found some for $12. They are 15 rounders. I'll buy 1 just to try it and if it doesn't work then I'm not out much.
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I really don't think it is a big deal unless you have a 1911, then I would paint the mag or something so I didn't mix them up. A modified mag into a 1911 will lock it up bad. Disassembly bad.
 
Metal parts kept breaking off my 9mm HiPoint, so I can't recommend them at this point.

Go with the KelTec.

I know nothing about it but Taurus will have their 45acp carbine out soon, and then there's the Beretta Storm in 45 as well.
 
I really really wanted to like the su-16, but it just feels so very cheap and plasticky to me. Reports have it holding up well, but I just couldn't get over how cheap it felt, and how cheap the price tag wasn't. At 200 or less an sks might fit the bill for you, but most of the ones I see now are 275+. You can get a used ruger mini-14 from cdnn for about 400, the SU-16B for $450, sub-2000 for $300. Heck, you can get an AR for 575 if you build it.

AK's an option too I suppose, but for a true jack of all trades I'd look for a marlin 30/30.
 
As a former SU-16c owner, it's a nice rifle. Its critical parts are well built and plastic anywhere else they can shave weight. During my ownership, I never had any quality concerns regarding construction, though you won't be clubbing any zombie bears down with it. I also think its probably your best option in terms of weight, capacity and portability. It weighs less than 5lbs, can accept nearly any AR accessories all the way up to beta mags and can be deployed in a package no higher than your knee while retaining hi-cap abilities, see below. The 5.56/.223 isn't a spectacular cartridge, but given that you're comparing it to pistol calibers, it's not bad.

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Hi-point carbines are a tad heavier, but they come in .45 flavors. Bonus. Sadly, they aren't as universal as keltech makes their gear. Sub2000s are even lighter than its SU cousin, but only come in 9mm and .40, neither of which send me leaping to participate. Somebody mentioned a lever 30-30. The price of entry there is losing any hi-cap ability and toting an even heavier package. I also just got a 336ss. There's no point in even comparing a 30-30 to an SU... I'd rather be carrying the keltec all day long if it weren't for the meh 5.56mm cartridge.

I think the SU rules this comparison, but good luck in finding one. Until Keltec straightens out their manufacturing, they're as rare as unicorn horns right now. Patience and phoning every damn local gun store in your area will help you pin one down, because your popular retailer won't.
 
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Hi Point life time warranty, not just bs it is Life Time warranty.
 
Assuming the Kel-Tec has at least decent rifle accuracy, it should be mechanically accurate enough able to hit a target out to 300 yards with boring repeatability.

That would be enough to put it much higher on my list over any pistol-caliber carbine.
 
Accuracy was never a concern either. I could plug away at 100 yards with iron sights on a windy day and still achieve minute of torso; tho the sight post begins to take up a lot of your target at that range.

Get a scope and you'll easily push good ranges with it.
 
I'd like the Keltec better if it had a fixed stock honestly.

But a rifle firing rifle rounds is a rifle, a pistol caliber carbine is a long barreled pistol. (Until you get into .357 and .44 Magnum and other revolver cartridges.)

I think the Kel-tec wins hands down.
 
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USAF_Vet said:
Just to clarify, the SU16 is not the SUB2000.

SU-16 = .223
SUB2000 = 9mm, .40S&W and .45ACP.

SU-16 = poor mans AR
Sub-2000 = Rich mans Hi Point pistol caliber carbine. :D
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Dude you just sent me on a frenzied internet search for the sub2000 in .45.
I have the 9 and the 40, been wanting them to make a .45 for years...

Then you post you ASSUMED they made a .45....WTH?
 
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