Hiking Near the US/Mexican Border - What Gun?

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We recently purchased land near the border in TX near Big Bend National Park. That's the reason I just picked up a .40 Sigma. Mainly for the critters, wild hogs, javalenia, and mountain lions rather than human traffic, although that is a concern. My reason for a pistol was that I don't plan to be humping a long gun around working on the property, or hiking around. I suspect that Sierra Vista isn't much different.

Wife's cousin lives there and we've visited. They love their nieghborhood. We were told there was no crime or drugs around them.... mainly because the leader of the local drug ring lived up the road from them and wouldn't allow it near his place. Their exact words.

Robert
 
None of these people are interested in involving run of the mill civilians. They have been attacking Border Patrol fairly often, but to bring the general populace into a firefight, will bring a response that may finally shut down their trade. Go comfortably armed, be aware, stay out of Sierra Vista's West End at night & you'll be ok.
 
Mules pack their mj bundles in burlap (the inner wrapping is cellophane and often duct tape over) and fashion shoulder straps out of the same. Right before they load it into a vehicle, they cut off the bulap (usually), and dump it wherever.

Mules are most often professional, with no desire to stay in the US. Illegal entry is merely incidental to carrying the dope. You see these guy about every morning, walking the highways south, knowing they'll be picked up after they've dropped off.

Also, where mules walk, the bandits wait. These are the really dangerous types. There have been several shootings over the last couple years between Green Valley and Nogales that involve bandit activity.
 
Why in the holy heck would anyone want to hike the Mexican border!
Yes, years ago I camped in Coronado Nat forest, but common sense dictates now

Because we can.This is American territory.Are we suppose to turn tail and vamos, because some trouble may lie afoot on OUR OWN SOIL?
Not me,senor.
 
It's beautiful country, man I love it down there.

I'll be on the border in the next couple weeks as a member of "one of those border watch groups". The locals in this thread have given excellent advice, take it. Don't hike alone and use some common sense. Carry whatever you're comfortable with.
 
Burlap bags aren't the only thing.

Feud, the burlap "packs" are a sign of drug smuggling. The aliens are used by the "coyotes" to carry different things across the border, if they get caught it's not much skin off the coyotes nose, a sort of "better them than me" train of thought...that's only a small part of the amoral business of human/contraband smuggling, it's a pretty brutal business, regardless of location.
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Try two SUVs full of alien and drug smugglers having a shoot out on I-10 during rush hour!! :what:
 
The latest border watch/report group has decided to arm w/ long guns & are getting some bad press.

Some of very well deserved. Some of it not deserved at all. Problem with **some** of these groups is that they don't self-police: It only takes a few wankers to make the whole group seem like a bunch of racist whack-jobs.

Without knowing which group you are talking about, it's hard to say.

In any case, a lightweight carbine like the keltec, an AR-15, etc is probably your best bet if you are worried about two-legged predators. If you are worried about critters and the moderately hostile border crossers instead of the organized crime types, a large caliber handgun would probably suffice. Still, the best defense includes your eyes, your ears, and what's behind and between them. Even drug runners probably don't want a firefight, so long as you keep your distance and mind your business.
 
The first weapon you should bring is common sense, as some of our contributors have stated. Apart from this obvious fact, I would recommend a high capacity 9mm semi-auto pistol. Why? Ordinarily, I recommend a good revolver for civilians. But there are exceptions to every rule and this situation falls into that category. If I seriously believed encountering drug runners/human trafficers was a possibility, then I would want firepower. The 9mm pistol offers this along with adequate stopping power and rapid reloading capabilities. Again, I urge common sense and advise you to remain away from such places. Failing this, consider the handgun recommendation I have made. Good luck.


Timthinker
 
If you can shoot a single-action wheelgun effectively, and have one in a magnum caliber, they make a bit of sense.

Good long range accuracy and good power, yet just a wee bit more "trail friendly", marking you as "probably not a maniac" :). A DA wheelgun won't be much different in any aspect.

Let's get real guys: some are going to panic if they see an AR15 over the shoulder. Hell, some COPS will. And...I would argue, some smugglers will.

That this is even an issue makes me sad. Time was, all we needed to worry about was wild animals.Why, I remember------------------------------

I assume you're joking :). The US/Mex border has been crazy for as long as there's BEEN a border down there :).

That said, living in Tucson now I pay attention to the crime reports and so far, the smugglers of all sorts are trying to avoid high bystander counts. Mostly.

Which brings us back to the AR15.

My take is, let's assume a scenario for a sec. You crest a ridge and spot the bales of pot actually being cut out of the burlap sacks and loaded into trucks. You're...well, call it 300 yards out and uphill (this is actually a pretty likely combination in that country). They spot you. They'll have guns, count on it...but likely not scoped bolt guns and likely not the skills to reach out to 300yds without at least walking rounds in. UNLESS they're Federales, but even then 300yd fire should be...rough at best.

If you don't have a rifle and just walk away while keeping them in sight, odds are you'll be fine.

If they see an AR15, I think the odds go UP that they'll want to chase you, assuming you to be border patrol or some sort of spotter, ranger, whatever.

If what you have is, say, a 357 Blackhawk, you can shoot from prone and at least give 'em something to think about at that range. If it closes to about 100 yards, you're in damn good shape. Precision fire from a 357 at that range means only about 2" to 4" tops bullet drop and likely 8" or less groups, which means somebody charging in on foot is in danger. As is a radiator or tire if they're on wheels.

If there's enough of 'em, eventually they'll flank you and you're screwed unless you can find some good broken ground and you're one hell of a shot. The good news is, that'll take time and they won't want to spend that time. Plus the sound of a running gunfight is going to carry.

WORST case is walking up on something going on at close range. That's when a high-cap slidegun comes into it's own, or better yet an AR. But now we're back to situational awareness. At longer range I'd rather have the wheelgun and at least in terms of odds, we have some control over the range of engagement in that kind of country.
 
Ok Here's My Rant.

It bothers me that we even need to have this discussion, a nation that can't secure its borders isn't a nation.

I don't even know who to blame, maybe all of us collectively, it can't just be Bush's fault. The idea that the armed forces of another nation would be allowed to violate our border , to be able to fire on our border guards W/ impunity is just non-sensical to me.

I've never understood why America, at least the government, would ignore the realities of a given situation. I don't have communication skills adaquate to this task but, "Let the Federales shoot at you but you can't shoot back " isn't a viable policy.
It puts Americans in danger and causes the BGs to escalate the behavior.


There are a lot of Mexicans that are serious about "Atzlan", I've even seen refferences on this forum. The options we as private citizens have are obviously limited, but we need to make as much use of them as we can. If all we can do at this point is make it clear to our elected officials, that their job depends on where they stand on this issue then that's where we need to start .

If the citizen border patrols are working we need to continue them.

I'm right at the point W/ this post that I either need to start writing a book or stop. so I'm stopping
 
If you open carry a rifle or carbine there is a good chance you will attract unwanted attention from either the Army or the border patrol.
 
A M4 with extra magfuls should be necessary. There would be plenty of danger in that area. Criminals from the south can be as nasty . Some would kill in a heartbeat if you get in their way. Remember they are in large numbers so dont take any chances. I would bring along a M4 and a Glock. A companion should be also be good.If you confront large illegals then stay at a distance.
 
I was born and raised down in that country and although things are a bit dicier in recent years, a few things are worth considering. First, coyote hunting is legal year round in AZ. If you are concerned that a handgun may be insufficient for your needs, carry a light rifle and a mouth blown varmint call. This will answer any questions that are raised. Secondly, although I am not certain of the dates, it should be just about time for javelina rifle season about now..... carrying a rifle then would not seem out of place at first glance. As for myself, I got by just fine for 20 years carrying various revolvers that I was comfortable shooting through some of the worst places in southern AZ and never had a confrontation worth mentioning. The vast majority of those people are not coming over to get into a gunfight, and the last thing they want is attention. And, although I belive in being prepared for the worst case scenario, I personally I would be much more comfortable hiking the border than walking through down town Detroit. Just use your head and ALWAYS TAKE WATER!
 
As Jim March pointed out above, this is a situation where how you're perceived can be important. As such, I'd say carry whatever is least "tacticool" that you can shoot well. For me, that'd be a lever action rifle and a 1911. If I had more experience with a revolver I'd prefer that.
 
My take is, let's assume a scenario for a sec. You crest a ridge and spot the bales of pot actually being cut out of the burlap sacks and loaded into trucks. You're...well, call it 300 yards out and uphill (this is actually a pretty likely combination in that country). They spot you. They'll have guns, count on it...but likely not scoped bolt guns and likely not the skills to reach out to 300yds without at least walking rounds in. UNLESS they're Federales, but even then 300yd fire should be...rough at best.

If you don't have a rifle and just walk away while keeping them in sight, odds are you'll be fine.

Okay that seems just crazy talk to me. I come across a major drug operations and they just let me walk away no problem? Maybe in San Fran...

If you open carry a rifle or carbine there is a good chance you will attract unwanted attention from either the Army or the border patrol.

That seems more crazy talk. Are you saying that hunting has been outlawed along the border? That people don't carry rifles??? Sure maybe at night that might seem strange but in the middle of the day??? Tell him the truth it is for Coyote and other critters... So far as I am concerned if I were out there alone for a legal purpose than the more attention from the border patrol and the federales the better. Means if anything happens maybe they will help...
 
That seems more crazy talk. Are you saying that hunting has been outlawed along the border? That people don't carry rifles??? Sure maybe at night that might seem strange but in the middle of the day??? Tell him the truth it is for Coyote and other critters... So far as I am concerned if I were out there alone for a legal purpose than the more attention from the border patrol and the federales the better. Means if anything happens maybe they will help...

How is it crazy talk? Who said anything about hunting? I didn't bring it up, the OP didn't bring it up. So who's talking crazy?

I worked down there with National Guard and Border Patrol on the Texas border for over a year. They have better stuff to do than look at some gringo tacticooled out because he's afraid of drug runners.

You say my comments are crazy. I say it's crazy to volunteer to go somewhere where you feel you have to carry a long arm cause you scared. Then use the guise of hunting to hide it. I try avoid those situations personally. I also think it's crazy to think you need a rifle to go hiking down there.

Now if it makes you feel special to carry a rifle and have the Army LP/OPs tracking you and the Border Patrol wasting time on stupid stuff. then by all means carry a M4 and a bunch of tac gear. Get some dragon skins and a Mich too. can't be too careful.
 
Sidearm of your choice, extra magazine, maybe a bolt gun. Distances in the desert are long and cover can be limited. It ain't the city. If someone with a rifle takes a dislike to you, that sidearm could seem awfully inadequate.

Don't forget plenty of water, map, compass, basic survival gear, and to let someone know where you are going and when you'll be back. That stuff is probably more important than the rifle for your survival. Especially the water and letting someone know where you are.
 
then I would want firepower. The 9mm pistol offers this along with adequate stopping power

Pardon me for laughing, but if you are talking about drug smugglers, they will have rifles. A 9mm sidearm is not "firepower". Hell, a .45acp is not "firepower". The purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you never should have put down. There is a reason that armies issue troops rifles, not handguns.

Now, am I advocating carrying around a crew-served weapon for a nature hike? Of course not, but don't make the mistake of believing that a handgun is "firepower" in a discussion where the goblins probably have rifles. Please.
 
To Aztlan

QUOTE: "
I am serious about "Atzlan" :)
Aztlan"

I think the appropriate response here would be "Molon Labe" If you're so serious come and take it.

For those unfamiliar W/ the term "Atzlan" is the hispanic home land in the South Western United States. This Quote is from Illegalaliens.us/atzlan
QUOTE: "Under the euphuism 'Hispanic Homeland' and 'Nation of Aztlan,' activists from numerous organizations including Mexican American Legal Defense and La Raza (The Race) activists are attempting to annex large portions of SW United States to Mexico. "Republica del Norte," the Republic of the North, which would include the present U.S. states of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, plus southern Colorado, along with several current Mexican states, is "an inevitability" says Charles Truxillo, professor, University of New Mexico. He further states the new "Hispanic Homeland" should be brought into being "by any means necessary."
 
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I think I'm gonna go W/ plex reticle on this one. We say it again & again on this forum, if the situation is threating enough that you actually expect to need a firearm, don't go!.
 
Hiking the desert ( or other places )

Carry a Taurus "Judge" in .45 Long Colt AND .410. A few extra of each load. You'll come across "Mr Nohips" more often than the two legged kind, and the .410 is just right. .45 LC for anything else. Easy to pack a pocket full of extra ammo, and walla. Pease of mind enters stage left.
 
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