HKs...okay thread

[Hk Dan]

I couldn't believe my eyes in that last thread.

As the screen name implies, I own a USP in every caliber, 2 in 9mm, 3 in .45, and a Mark 23. I don't own a VP70 or a P7 (always thought that was a silly idea), but I DO like my USPs. Rifles? Hey, they mutilate brass and I reload. Not even a question there. A friend owns an SR9T--it's very nice, but it don't do a thang more than my AR10.

The USP? That gun is a bulldozer. If y'all don't shoot hard or fast, I understand your ignorance. To you, a Kimber looks as good as a GLOCK. Good luck with your slow fire, I hope you never need anything faster.

For those of you who look for defensive performance, I had a USP 40 break a trigger bar in a USPSA match, and then put another 100 rounds into the berm before I had to stop. ANY other gun would have been in the dead cockroach position on the next round--Kimber, GLOCK, whatever.

Yes, by the time it was done I had about a 20 pound DA pull that felt like it was grinding against 60 grit sandpaper against a granite countertop, but <...it...> fired every shot, with broken parts! I didn't win the match, but I finished it. No other gun would have done that, period.

HKs are combat weapons. If you want a target gun, buy one. If you want to win a fight, don't overlook an HK.

The much-nicht-ballyhooed HK srvice? Had that gun back to me in a week after I discovered the problem, with a complete factory refurb at no cost.

 

[Maverick223]

I agree WRT the USP, they are as close to indestructible as I care to find. My USP-45 has been going for about 3k rounds without more than a run through with a BoreSnake...not a single failure of any kind. It is, quite simply, boringly reliable. I also have no interest in most of the HK rifle offerings.
OTOH, I have to agree with Mot45acp...this is gonna be good...

 

[Art Eatman]

Yeah, well, folks oughta park their emotions elsewhere. Avoid threadlock better, that way.

 

[LHRGunslinger]

I don't own a HK. yet? not sure. I've been drooling over the Mk23 for about 4 years now and IF it actually stands up to the numbers I've heard I'm definitely gonna grab one up as soon as I can.

 

[armoredman]

I do not have a dog in the fight, but I will throw in my personal observances of HK products. When working at Jensens indoor range in Tucson I got to fire an MP5 and an MP5/10. Grand fun, felt the 10mm was perfect for subgun, guns worked perfectly. Fired the Hk carbine in 45ACP, can't remember the designation off the top of my head, thought it worked great, but was FAR overpriced for what it was. We had a P7 M8 on the rental shelf, worked like a charm, very popular rental, and still sold for $600 after all that rental abuse.
Then there was the USPs. We started with 6, and at the end of the year, 4 were at the factory, with a fifth going back, all broken from wear. No, I don't remember the particulars except one was a captive recoil system breaking in an interesting fashion. Since I was part time, I missed most of the USP failures. Watched a Tucson Police Officer walk in, in uniform, take the USP from his duty holster and fire a few rounds down range. Weapon failed to fire every other round. Officer left rather pale faced. TPD armorer came in every week, sometimes twice a week, with boxfuls of repaired USPs to test fire. TPD eventually discarded the USP to go to the Glock.
Now this was almost 10 years ago, so I am willing to be the problems of the USP have been addressed and repaired by now, I hope. I can only say my limited and subjective personal experiance, (I am also not a high speed low drag gun writer or trainer, so my opinion is worth less than you paid for it. ), I would not be inclined to buy an HK USP.
I would like to have a vP70z, just to have one, and, as I mentioned, I would LOVE to have a MP5/10, but I understand there is not a single transferrable example available.
The P7 is very interesting, not my cup of tea with the squeeze cocker, but very interesting, and apparently quite rugged.
I must state I do not at this time own an HK product.

 

[chihuahuatn]

"If y'all don't shoot hard or fast, I understand your ignorance." My MP5 and G3 (Fleming Sears) sit in a safe...fast enough for you???

My Beretta 92fs, Sig 226, Browning HP have been abused as much as my HK 9mm USP and the only difference I see is my USP is more unconformable to shoot. But then again some HK fan boys believe in unicorns and pixie dust.
Mike

 

[psyopspec]

Get a finding mindset first, and then any serviceable gun will do. I don't care about brands. I happen to own an HK, and I happen to have had excellent customer service on a P7 in the past that was fast and free even though I wasn't the original owner of the 25 year old gun. I happen to know that most who post in the HK hate threads are not speaking from experience, but either what they perceive to be funny or to jump on the bandwagon.

I'd also feel comfortable with a SIG, Glock, Kimber, Colt, Beretta, etc, that had proven itself. I've seen samples of all of the above crap the bed, as any manmade tool has a tendency to do now and then.

Make it a reliable, serviceable gun and let me ring it out some. I'll get along just fine with it regardless of what it says on the slide.

I'd be interested to hear more about your "hard and fast shooting." Was this in Iraq, or Afghanistan? Perhaps it was in your experience as a police officer carrying your weapon day in and day out for a period of years in a variety of conditions? If you're going to be condescending about your self-perceived level of ability, you may as well back it up. A USPSA match, or just about anything done on a normal range, is neither hard nor fast relative to combat where the difficulty and time-sensitivity of your actions actually carry some stressful consequences.

 

[gunnutery]

<-----Grabs popcorn...this is gonna be good.

LOL, quite true.

I have fired some USP's and have had the opportunity to handle and field strip the UMP 40. I've enjoyed my experience thus far...however, I cannot justify the cost of owning one. At this point in my life, I have to make my money count and there are guns with equal quality for less money IMO.

 

[HiroProX]

So far I like my USP 45. No failures and no complaints. On average it's more reliable than my 1911 and just as accurate.

 

[fireman 9731]

I think the distaste for HK is not the quality of the their products, but more the mentality and attitude of the company towards civilians.

 

[killchain]

OP, glad you got all that extra moulah to buy up HK's stuff.

Personally, I'll stick with my FNP45. It holds 5 more than your USP, and is 1/3 the price.

 

[DasFriek]

Looking at my lifestyle and gun needs i can see myself buying a Hi-Point before i ever buy an HK. But a P7 .40 would be considered a good possibility as i really like that gun and it would make a decent summer ccw.

But i do gotta say i feel the OP has a tad bit much of gun snobbery and many other guns can do what the USP does and do it for half the price.

 

[12131]

Smells like a troll thread to me.

 

[happygeek]

HK Dan wrote:

The USP? That gun is a bulldozer. If y'all don't shoot hard or fast, I understand your ignorance. To you, a Kimber looks as good as a GLOCK. Good luck with your slow fire, I hope you never need anything faster.

For those of you who look for defensive performance, I had a USP 40 break a trigger bar in a USPSA match, and then put another 100 rounds into the berm before I had to stop. ANY other gun would have been in the dead cockroach position on the next round--Kimber, GLOCK, whatever.

Yes, by the time it was done I had about a 20 pound DA pull that felt like it was grinding against 60 grit sandpaper against a granite countertop, but <...it...> fired every shot, with broken parts! I didn't win the match, but I finished it. No other gun would have done that, period.

So you're saying your H&K broke ...

 

[Sam1911]

So you're saying your H&K broke ...

Dan's humor is very sublte and most of the posters here missed his whole point. He's a master of irony!

Only happygeek caught on!






Sometimes it is very difficult to have a thread which discusses the successes and failures of a desgin or a company but that doesn't cross that invisible line, becoming a "hate thread." Seems all you have to do is post "I like my ..." and three people will respond with negative replies. Or "I hate my..." and three people will respond with accusatory, grumpy responses. After a page or two, the threads become somewhat indistinguishable. Today we are blessed to be able to compare two such correlaries developing simultaneously. It is tempting just to merge the two!

 

[12131]

Flew right over my head.

 

[HGUNHNTR]

For those that continue to bash HK's policies towards civilians, make sure to do the non-hypocritical thing and apply that logic to each and every purchase you make. I had to consider every Nissan employees view of the second Amendment before purchasing our vehicle, phew, that took some effort. Then I had to fill it with gas, what about Exxon, would they approve of me having an auto sear in my HK93? Are they, as a company even pro 2nd amdt? How about groceries, surely Publix like gun owners would they wish me well in attempt to modify my SL-8? How about my clothing, the folks that built my house, the manufacturer of the set of china my wife bought? Surely I should scutinize these companies as thoroughly as the wretched HK shouldn't I, I mean they are getting MY hard earned American dollars?!

 

[Cmiller21b]

I own an HK USP .45 compact. I hate the thing! It's not accurate, uncomfortable to fire and jams alot! I also own FNs, Sigs, Kimbers,Walthers, Rugers, Colts, a couple Berrettas and several Smiths. I dont have near the problems with the other weapons as with the HK! there will never be another one in my safe!

 

[HGUNHNTR]

^ If you are interested in selling the HK PM me!

 

[Bentonville]

I have experience with a lot of the flavors of HK as well as other manufacturer brands. When new, I have had to shoot a littler hotter ammo through some models of HK such as the P30 due to a very stiff recoil spring. After about 300 rounds it handles anything I put in it. Some magazine springs for a USP.45C were also stiff and I had to load and allow to sit a few days in order for the magazine to function reliably after the last round was fired. This happened back in the early part of this past decade. After the little things to break in these particular springs, thousands of rounds have passed through my pistols without a malfunction of any kind. The Tactical .45, USP.45F, the USP.40C, the P7, the P2000 all functioned flawlessly from first time out. CS with HK has been amazingly professional and efficient over the past years. They have honored warrenty on guns that were owned 20 years before I got them. I sent a used P9S, bought from a pawn shop, to have a bent front sight replaced and Travis at HK replaced the springs in the trigger group and polished the feed ramp because he wanted me to get a totally reliable gun back in my hands.

 

[longdayjake]

I sure do like the HK 45 but their 9 has more recoil than any other 9mm I have shot. Pretty weird.

 

[Robert]

My brother owns two HKs, a USP Compact and an SL8-1. While the Compact is anything but, it is an accurate, built like a tank pistol. Good heft. I always liked a pistol with good heft. The SL8-1 is a very accurate fun to shoot little rifle. If it did not cost so damn much to convert it to use AR mags it would be dang near perfect.

 

[tinygnat219]

I have the P7PSP and I love the gun. It's fantastically easy to shoot, the trigger is the best on any production gun I own, and the ergonomics are nice. If only I could get rid of the silly eurocentric heel mag release, this would be a perfect firearm, oh and find mags under 70 bucks a pop.

Either way, it's a nice pistol and I wish H&K wouldn't have stopped making them.

Don't know about their other guns. Kinda spendy, I prefer Glocks anyway. If something breaks, which is rare, 5 minutes later with the right parts, I am back in the game. Not many other guns can say that and no silly need to send it back to the factory.

 

[joe_security]

I rented a USP .40 compact. I enjoyed this pistol more than my old Gen1 G22. Less percieved recoil, at least in my hands.

 

[sv51macross]

For those that continue to bash HK's policies towards civilians, make sure to do the non-hypocritical thing and apply that logic to each and every purchase you make. I had to consider every Nissan employees view of the second Amendment before purchasing our vehicle, phew, that took some effort. Then I had to fill it with gas, what about Exxon, would they approve of me having an auto sear in my HK93? Are they, as a company even pro 2nd amdt? How about groceries, surely Publix like gun owners would they wish me well in attempt to modify my SL-8? How about my clothing, the folks that built my house, the manufacturer of the set of china my wife bought? Surely I should scutinize these companies as thoroughly as the wretched HK shouldn't I, I mean they are getting MY hard earned American dollars?!

This, I believe, is the proverbial staw-man. What the heck does a grocery chain have to do with converting a rifle? You aren't buying guns from them, you're buying guns from H&K.

I would buy from Nissan. They have an extensive racing program, and recently brought-over Godzilla undiluted for the USDM. Major props, they respect their performance fanbase.

H&K make cool guns, but refuse to do what Steyer, Sig, FN, ect have done and produce 922r-compliant UMP/G36 rifles. And they have instituted a policy that will make it all-but impossible for civvies to un-neuter the rifles they sell. They are, essentially, urinating in our faces.