HK's Slogan

[Warlokke]

Guess it was hit and miss then. I bought my USPf .40 in 1994. Bought all my 15 magazines for it between 1994-1999. They are all plastic. Tight as a drum, and have never failed, despite heavy use. I used them in USPSA production for 3 years, dropping magazines and reloading thru the stages. No problems with mine, or the 2 other folks I shot with that used HK USPs in USPSA production class. I still have them and use them. Keep about 5 of them loaded up in my range bag and the springs work just fine when used on the range despite how long it may be between loading them and getting time to go shoot.

 

[Nugilum]

Bought all my 15 magazines for it between 1994-1999.

How did you do that with the AWB in place? What did you pay?

 

[raz-0]

Guess it was hit and miss then. I bought my USPf .40 in 1994. Bought all my 15 magazines for it between 1994-1999. They are all plastic. Tight as a drum, and have never failed, despite heavy use. I used them in USPSA production for 3 years, dropping magazines and reloading thru the stages. No problems with mine, or the 2 other folks I shot with that used HK USPs in USPSA production class. I still have them and use them. Keep about 5 of them loaded up in my range bag and the springs work just fine when used on the range despite how long it may be between loading them and getting time to go shoot.

GO back and read it again. I was talking about .45 mags that are metal, as was the person griping about them.

Other than bulk, and the hens teeth nature of 15 rounders, I had no issues with the plastic mags, and neither did most people.

The metal .45 mags had finish problems, problems with welds, and problems with dimensional tolerances and followers (likely the culprit of appearing to not have enough oompf to feed rounds).

 

[divemedic]

Not that H&K is going to lose any sleep over the particular loss of your business because H&K's business is first, and foremost, the MILITARY, LEO Depts, and others who buy in tremendous numbers.

I thought that was the point...

I feel about HK the same way I feel about S&W- they sell us out because we are not govt entities. That's fine.

 

[Phydeaux642]

I'd say that almost every manufacturer out there would turn their backs on the civilian market if it meant that they could get in on a big ol' juicy government contract.

 

[Shadow Man]

H&K's government contracts aren't going anywhere anytime soon. They make far more money off those contracts then they would be re-engineering their product line to be import-legal and civilian friendly. In that, I cannot fault them.

I wonder if this hate of H&K comes from a "forbidden fruit" mentality. A kind of "I can't have it, so I'll down talk it to make myself feel better, and to make sure no one else enjoys it." Kinda like I do with Ferarri's...except, the only downside to Ferarri's I can see is they handle poorly on wet roads, and they have no 4WD versions...I've never driven a vehicle that wasn't a 4WD, I'd be lost.

 

[divemedic]

Who says they have to do one or the other? They can have a govt contract AND sell to the public. They choose not to.

 

[Shadow Man]

Their choice. If their products are such junk, we should be thankful we can't get any of it. But as it is, they are opening a manufacturing plant in New Hampshire to avoid the import laws, so I see availibility of civilian legal weapons increasing in the near future. Their two newest products, the 416 and 417 are both being produced in civilian legal format. Either hate the stuff, and be happy you can't get it, or don't hate the stuff, and deal with a small civilian legal line. You can't have it both ways (in essence, vehemently hating an unavailable piece of junk) and still seem credible.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

H&K's government contracts aren't going anywhere anytime soon. They make far more money off those contracts then they would be re-engineering their product line to be import-legal and civilian friendly. In that, I cannot fault them.

Do they still have juicy government contracts? I was under the impression the MP5 moneymaker was being replaced everywhere by intermediate rifle caliber guns (usually shortened M16 variants) in fear of body-armor wearing enemies and the MP7 doesn't appear to fill the bill. The UMP doesn't seem to be any more popular and the G36 is used by a couple of countries but not in huge numbers. Not trying to be a wiseacre, I'm curious if they still have fat contracts to fill or if they'll need to depend more on the civilian market they seem to disdain.

 

[Shadow Man]

Not working for H&K, I cannot give you a definitive answer to that question, but I would assume that they still have sufficent contracts.

As for the MP5 bit...it is still very much in favor by large police units whose chances of facing a body armoured threat is far outweighed by the risks they face by carrying weapons that can penetrate the officers own armour.

 

[ma deuce]

I like the pic from #9 bolag, I almost fell out of my chair.

 

[KevlarTester]

The H&K Mag release lever makes their handguns unworthy of civilian hands.

 

[Balog]

I don't hate HK. I don't care for any of their products I've ever tried, but I hear they make a nice sub gun. They (as a company) seem to have an attitude I dislike, much like Ruger in the "No honest man" Bill Sr days.

 

[Gunnerpalace]

I'd say that almost every manufacturer out there would turn their backs on the civilian market if it meant that they could get in on a big ol' juicy government contract.

Colt comes to mind,

And Bushmaster is going that way too,

I think it is a overused meme.

 

[Kimber45acp]

 

[hotshotshoting]

people do have the right to dislike, slander, etc...(even if its based on their inability to afford something)

just the same as people have the right to be fanboys...

either way i own every hk ever produced in .45 and many others.. never had a problem with any of them.

i also own an extensive collection of 1911s, Berettas, Sigs, FNs, Brownings, etc....

im just partial to hks after my extensive history beating the hell out of them and them surviving better than all the others...

usp45c > 60k rounds 0 failures, flaws, etc... still going

mk23 > 20k rounds no oil, no cleaning, still functioning perfectly (im waiting to find the # of rounds before cleaning and oiling that stops this gun)

either way impressive stats by anyone's book

 

[Kimber45acp]

people do have the right to dislike, slander, etc...(even if its based on their inability to afford something)



either way i own every hk ever produced in .45 and many others..

Ohhhh, so we're just jealous because we're not rich like you. Got it. I'm very impressed at your wealth.

Oh, and according to you, our disgust at HK has NOTHING whatsoever to do with their longstanding corporate policy of refusing to sell normal capacity rifles to civilians (even though they have an American factory), and how they sue everyone who makes anything similar to their products that they REFUSE to sell to us .

Giving $$$ to the anti civilian HK is no different than giving money to the Brady Campaign. Prove me wrong. What has HK done to counteract all their anti civilian behavior? Any donations to gun lobbies? Go ahead and spend $2000 for a 10 round only sl-8 with a nice uncomfortable thumbhole stock. It's all yours.

 

[hotshotshoting]

Ohhhh, so we're just jealous because we're not rich like you. Got it. I'm very impressed at your wealth.

Oh, and according to you, our disgust at HK has NOTHING whatsoever to do with their longstanding corporate policy of refusing to sell normal capacity rifles to civilians (even though they have an American factory), and how they sue everyone who makes anything similar to their products that they REFUSE to sell to us .

Giving $$$ to the anti civilian HK is no different than giving money to the Brady Campaign. Prove me wrong. What has HK done to counteract all their anti civilian behavior? Any donations to gun lobbies? Go ahead and spend $2000 for a 10 round only sl-8 with a nice uncomfortable thumbhole stock. It's all yours.

the fact that you just compared HK to the brady campaign just made me laugh hysterically tbh.. thank you for that

hk sues people for copying them... if you spend millions of dollars on r&d and then someone just copied your design you would be pissed as well...

and actually if you want to know why hk sells low capacity firearms why not just ask the states who dont allow high capacity... if i was a manufacturer why would i want to make 20 different firearms so that every state could sell 1 instead of 1 every state sells?


and i said inability to afford... i could have chosen those words better...

perhaps a better phrasing would be

for people who buy the cheapest products on the market... at least thats what your other post says...

ps i give a large amount of money to gun owners of america, and the nra... probably more than i spend on firearms for myself...

 

[Davek1977]

if i was a manufacturer why would i want to make 20 different firearms so that every state could sell 1 instead of 1 every state sells?

What HK firearms operate from a fixed magazine? Offering magazines of various capacities is much easier than offering a gun to meet each state's requirements. ASk any of the other companies how hard it is to offer magazines of varying capacity? It must not be TOO hard, as HK is basically the only company that DOES NOT do this. Nearly every other manufacturer produces both a 10 round and an "original" capacity magazine for their firearms, allowing civilians to own orginal capacity magazines where alloweable by law. HK steadfastly refuses to do this, and I don't believe its simply a matter of being "cost effective" as they already produce the mags in various capacities for thier "qualified" customers

 

[racine]

That's why this is such a great country, competition, innovation. I own HK's and loved what I've had. They make nice toys. HK is a business much like any other and their decisions are based on profits. I cannot blame them for that much like I'd blame Browing, Colt, or what have you. They cannot muster enough to satisfy every American who shoots. That's why we have everyone else. Is this a great country or what? Their logo "...No Compromise..." is just that a logo for marketing. They're not perfect but they do a great job at marketing to get the $ for their products( which many would say speak for themselves). I'd say I've had better luck with HK than other companies like Para Ordnance, S&W, Olympic Arms, etc... BTW, I've been lucky not to have paid top dollar for their toys as well... I do prefer Glock over their VP70 hands down ; ^ )

 

[earlthegoat2]

My favorite HK items are ones they no longer make. I am way less than impressed with USPs, P2000s, P30s, HK45s, or any of their rifles.

I like the P7 and P9S and that is all.

 

[Shadow Man]

Go ahead and spend $2000 for a 10 round only sl-8 with a nice uncomfortable thumbhole stock. It's all yours.

So if you don't want it, and are going to rail about how much their weapons cost, how un-useful they are, and how low capacity they are...then why are you complaining about it!? You obviously don't want it, so it shouldn't bother you that you can't get it.

"Oh yeah? Well, go buy your $500,000 Ferarri with its small gas tank, low fuel mileage, and bad wet-road handling! And when you need to get it maintainenced (And you will...since its not a Ford, it will break) good luck dealing with the Ferarri people in Italy! HA!"

See my point? Doesn't make alot of since to hate something you have no use for and can't get anyway...

 

[Justin]

This one's run it's course. The tone is getting nasty.