Home Defense Loads? 12 Gauge

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I don't mean to be rude, but - duh.
Different shotshells for different things. :)
I keep #4buck in the tube, with two extra #4 at the front of the cuff, and three slugs in the rear slots.


What I was asking was this: why would you ever mix different types of 12ga in the same magazine tub
I think it's similar to the whole idea of mixing HP and FMJ in a handgun magazine.
 
I've seen some guys try to do that with 3 shells for ducks and geese; or maybe just for one size bird but at different ranges. Then the birds come winging through the cypress at high speed and all is forgotten.

And the birds aren't shooting back. :)
 
Actually I could be just as rude and say "duh" as well. If you have a well thought out plan and you know what direction your attacker is very likely to come then mixing ammo in a tube could be a no-brainer. You set up a slug to defend against someone trying to come through your door. You fall back to your indoor defensive location possibly heading upstairs where you kow the rest of your family is. You have two rounds of buckshot to fire down at the intruder as your'e retreating. You don't have to worry about overpentration because you're aiming down. Once upstairs you can only fire a safe direction as far as your family goes. But if you know where your family is and you are worried about the neighbors you would want to fire birdshot as someone might try to enter the room where you're hiding behing a walk in closet or whatever. In my house you'd be crawling through the spaces behind the walls to the protected zone behind a closet false wall. If you pay attention you can fire through the sheetrock at the bg well enough to hit them and disable or seriously discourage them.
That's the kind of thinking I would assume many would do in planning how to deal with an intrustion. Personally I would much prefer knowing what's loaded in my gun because it wold be too easy to lost count. But if you're the cool under pressure type there's something to be said for the method. And I didn't eve have to say "doh".
It's a very good idea to plan out what you want to do in an invasion situation just like it's a good idea to plan for a fire drill. And if you know your fire zones and have a good idea when the BG's will be in them you should be able to gain some advantage knowing what shell is coming up.
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I can see the point, I guess, but I wouldn't want to need buckshot and get birdshot.
 
Federal 12ga. Low Recoil OO

Decided on Federal 12 ga. Low recoil 00 Loads. Ended up buying a Mossberg 500 Persauder/Cruiser 8 shot with a 20" barrel for my Home Defense weapon. My backup weapon is always loaded, and that is my .357 Mag Taurus model 608. Loaded with 38 spl + P Hollow points 135 gr.
 
The entrance is irrelevant. Unless one were to literally wear their heart on their sleeve
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That heart could be under a parka, but with 2oz of #4 @ 1450 fps, I would not bet on it still beating. I have seen x-rays of a center mass hit with bird shot. They were CADAVER shots, chest cavity filled with hundreds of white dots that doctors called a "snow storm" of metal that entered small & exploded in every direction, tearing up really important stuff along the way.
 
Don't forget, penetration through muscle and bone and clothing will mean that it'll do even less on a human.
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Uhhh, not exactly, Gryf. If muscle, bone, and clothing weren't taken into account in the tests, just what exactly do you reckon the gel is supposed to represent?

The gel is meant to replicate dense muscle itself. That test showed five inches of penetration through dense muscle.

Fat tissue is less than 1/3 as dense hence a 5" penetration in muscle would be 15" in fat etc. Also, there's nowhere on the human body that has five inches of muscle thickness. A torso is approx 1" in any location, thus five inches of penetration would be 4" more than is needed.

If that block of gel used were a human, you would have approx 1" of fat, two inches of muscle, and then spongy material making up the organs.

On that block, you could look at it as the first 1/3" representing the fat, the next 1-2" representing muscle, and the rest representing penetrated organs.

Real life would be far better penetration, not less.

If you want to see what birdshot can *really* do to flesh, skip the gel, though. Go to your local supermarket and buy a pork roast. It's impressive.
 
I just bought my benelli nova and tried several loads , i found out that the 00 buck shots by federal premium vital-shok patterns great and recoil is very manageable, i tried some 3 1/2 inche full power slugs and ouch!!wont do that again, I also tried some federal premium 3in 1 3/4 oz. #5 high velocity turkey load and found out that recoil is still quite strong, so i decided to use the federal premium vital shock 2 3/4 in 00 buck shot with 9 pellets ( copper plated with muzzle velocity of 1325fps..) as my HD load..thanks
 
I keep mine set with 2 birdshot (pest control) followed with 2 #4, 2#00, then slugs. If the situation calls for "more power", the ammo is in place
 
Half thinking we will be selecting ammo based on intruder size.

Pee wee.

Halfwit

Anklebiter

Average human

Knuckle Dragger

Bubba

Pro wrestler

Giants.
 
Have you guys ever heard of frosting loads?

A friend of mine said that you should leave cake frosting out for a week, or until it hardens and then crumble it into a shotgun shell.

He said that his friend said, "One hit from this and it's all over"



LOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLO
 
I think that somebody's pulling your leg. Sugar crystals are definitely not suitable for self defense. :rolleyes:
 
In a 9-shot 12ga:
slug-000-slug-00-slug-#4buck-T-T-T

range-spread double taps (with just spread at the end, the idea being range will decrease as the assailant attacks).
 
It's probably a waste of electrons, but I'm going to try it anyway. 'Pattern loading' a repeating shotgun is a bad idea. Period.

Why?

Because one of the oldest military maxims of all time says: No plan survives first contact with the enemy intact. I don't care HOW good your plan is. Something else is going to happen, and it won't fit your plan. Neither will the load in your chamber at the time...

Because under pressure, most shooters can't keep up with how many rounds they have fired in an encounter. Please don't try to tell me you're one of the one percenters. I'm not going to believe it.

Because you NEED TO KNOW what is going to be coming out of the muzzle of your shotgun every time you press the trigger. You need to know what the gun and loads you use will do in any situation, at any range you might encounter- in short, you need to know if you can safely take a given shot with the load in the chamber or not. And if you can't, you need to be able to fix that situation pronto.

So what do you do? Number one, you LEARN TO RUN THE GUN. When some old phart here tells you that you need to practice until it is as if you were born holding that shotgun, that's what it means. Everything that can be done with that shotgun needs to be instinctive- reloading on the fly, shoot one load one, load two shoot one to get an empty gun back up and running, select slug drills- whatever you decide on as the manual of arms you need to master to best run your shotgun. Get training to learn what you need to practice, then practice until you can't make a mistake doing it.

Decide what you are going to use for defense. Some folks with a lot of experience use only slugs. Some load buckshot in the magazine and keep slugs available on the gun in case they are needed. Under pressure, buckshot in the magazine and slugs in the Sidesaddle is about all I can manage. I know this how? I know this because I spent three days with shotgun in hand getting yelled at by Louis Awerbuck, who scrambles students on the firing line like a short order cook scrambles eggs.

And if people get so scrambled they can't count, in a little old shotgun class run by a little old man with a funny accent, just think how bad it will be when someone is trying to kill them...

FWIW, YMMV, usual disclaimers apply.

lpl
 
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I'm a hypocrite. I have waxed eloquent on this issue in support of #4 2oz 3" turkey loads for HD in numerous posts. Every non-human analogue I have tested this load on shows really impressive damage. That said, so many in this forum that I have come to respect disagree, and until I can spend more time directly comparing the two on my next cull / hog slaughter, the 1300 next to me as I write this will stay stoked w/ 3" 00.
 
Ok, new to highroad, and new to the shotgun-home-defense arena. First post, and wanted to ask your thoughts.

I just finished watching Clint Smith's defensive shotgun DVD, which I thought was very good. In several places he talks about using bird shot and it being plenty effective in most HD scenarios. I've got little kids in the house and neighbors not too far off, and am very concerned about over-penetration. Maximum shot distance is about 10 yards, with most 5 or so.

am planning to load my Mossberg 590 w/ #5 birdshot. But there's a lot of criticism of birdshot here and elsewhere. So, am I wrong/did I mishear what Mr. Smith was saying? Please let me know your thoughts, many of you know a lot more than I do.
 
Aside from warning someone to not use a long-barreled shotgun to commit suicide, I fail to see the point.

All three shots, had they been fired *at* the person in question and not *by* him, would have been more than fatal.

rich
 
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