I'd have bought the P30L for thag price with the mags.I have only one HK.
Passed on a beater 300 rifle.
Seen some clean ones, at insane prices.
Wanted a P30LS.
Nobody had any.
Then my LGS got a P30L (no safety)............w 8 mags. Used but clean, three of the mags in factory wrapping.
For 500. Yeah, I bought it.
Its OK, usable.
But I'd rather have a VP9.
Reg, not long slide.
And with the cocking indicator blackout plate ($60)
Never cared for the 91 or 93 stuff. Not into ARs either.
FNC para is cool, as ugly or moreso than HK
Apparently the design requirements did not include extended firing sessions and H&K P7 (PSP)
$600 for a GLOCK?One of the very first handguns I ever shot, possibly the very first, was a .40S&W USP Compact when I was around 10 years old +/-.
I loved the lines and fit and feel and everything about it. It was my uncles and my uncle has always been a quality snob (he'd say so himself) so I imagined that's what I would get when I was older. An HK USP handgun of some sort. I had no frame of reference to compare it to others and figured if it was good enough for him it was good enough for me. I also remember my uncle saying unfavorable things about Glocks at that time and I definitely wasnt going to have one of those fugly things. HK all the way.
Fast forward 10 or so years, when I decided to go get myself a handgun, besides the taurus .38 and the Ruger P95 I already had, I'll rephrase, when I had enough $$$ and decided to go get myself what I considered to be a "serious" handgun, I had every intention of going the HK route. Until I decided that I hated the USP trigger and the price of a USP at the time ($900). I started seriously considering one of those fugly Glocks($600). Trigger was more suited to my preference and so was the price. And after a while the looks grew on me and while I still think the HK USP is one seriously formidable combat pistol, the table full of Glocks at the gun show just spoke to me and all the negative things I'd heard about it pretty much evaporated after use.....
I agree, never paid more than $350 for one.$600 for a GLOCK?
Dear lord..... I'll stick with Blue Label pricing thank you very much. I never paid that much for a GLOCK. Not even my G17L amd G24.
When the Gen 4 GLOCKs came out, I never used the backstraps. Still haven't to this day.I can't imagine ever not having a USP in my collection. Yeah, the non-standard rail is a bummer (but unavoidable since the USP came out before the 1913 system was standardized) but I like pretty much everything else about it. In this day and age nearly all service-pistol-sized guns have at least interchangeable backstraps but just by dumb luck the USP feels like it was made for my hand. I would like to convert my USPf9 from the Match configuration to LEM Hybrid Match but beyond that I'm pretty happy with it. Well, that and maybe add a Jet Funnel Kit.
Yeah, honestly..... who the hell pays $600 for a GLOCK? That's like paying $400 for a HS2000. Hell, I like HK and I sure as hell won't pay the MSRP for their guns.I agree, never paid more than $350 for one.
Yeah, people complain about the USP not having a standardized light rail.
The rail is the least of the complaints I've heard about the USP over the years while serving as a firearms instructor with an agency that issued the pistol. There are a number of other "legitimate complaint(s)/observation(s)" that come to mind with regard to this pistol (note that I've admitted to being a fan of several other H&K pistols); here's what I said in my first post in the thread:I guess one somewhat legitimate complaint/observation is that HK could change the USP to incorporate the "new" Pic rail.
I can also add that the size/weight to magazine capacity ratio isn't nearly as favorable as several other comparable full-sized duty pistols.But, as one who was forced to carry, shoot, qualify with and instruct the USP for too long... I absolutely loathe the USP. Cheese-grater front-strap, crap for ergonomics, too heavy, useless proprietary rail, high bore axis, doesn't point well for many, paddle mag release (a slight problem for those who also carry, shoot and compete with other platforms)... we had it confirmed that the USP wasn't a good pistol for LE when, after we switched to simple plastic pistol, qual scores sky-rocketed dramatically.
When the USP first came out, 13rds for a DA/SA .40 S&W was actually very competitive. Same with the USP Compact being at 12rds.The rail is the least of the complaints I've heard about the USP over the years while serving as a firearms instructor with an agency that issued the pistol. There are a number of other "legitimate complaint(s)/observation(s)" that come to mind with regard to this pistol (note that I've admitted to being a fan of several other H&K pistols); here's what I said in my first post in the thread:
I can also add that the size/weight to magazine capacity ratio isn't nearly as favorable as several other comparable full-sized duty pistols.
Yeah I paid $600 for my first two glocks. There was a period back in 2007 that glocks were fetching a premium. I paid $600 for my first two glocks, a 36 and a 17. I dont remember anything particularly crazy in terms of panic buying, I think that was just the going rate around here at the time. I still see them go for upwards of $550-$600 from time to time but all the other glocks I bought in the years since then have been $350-$400. I do remember a time when I was looking for a 17 probably right around 2007ish where I called up every shop in the phonebook, nobody had em. I found one shop almost 2 hours north of me and they had one.....had to have it.$600 for a GLOCK?
Dear lord..... I'll stick with Blue Label pricing thank you very much. I never paid that much for a GLOCK. Not even my G17L amd G24.
Meh.... If I could only own one HK pistol, it would be this.All those threads that ask "if you could just own one handgun?" USP Expert for me.
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A big problem the USP has today is that people are comparing it to modern designs like the M&P, P320, PPQ, PX4,
there we have it, absolutely no discrimination, H&K is kicking ass and brass, lol. But only their rifles, the pistols are fine....I loved the way my H&K 91 was absolutely reliable and very accurate but I hated the way it treated brass. I've never owned one of their handguns.