No, the bottom line is if you have more than you can carry at a time by yourself reasonable distance you have an excess of ammo....when you exceed the floor load limit of a poured on-grade concrete slab
How Much Ammo is Too Much
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MachIVshooter
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Another arbitrary and ridiculous line drawn. Maybe that applies in the zombie apocalypse when all fuel has gone bad and no horses or mules exist....
I have a friend who shoots more than I do, and suffers from a spine injury. Most days, I doubt he could carry a single case of 5.56 much further than 50 yards. But in your view, that is excess, even though he probably averages 30,000 rounds consumed each year with personal shooting as well as business related rifle and suppressor demonstrations. Meanwhile, even though I only go through about 10,000-12,000 rounds annually, because my fit and uninjured body could hump a half dozen cases in a frame pack for many miles, I am more justified in my quantities?
Absurd.
The bottom line is people should not be hoarding ammo. In the future we will have firearm permits which will be required for all ammo purchases logic being that people lacking them should not buy own ammo in the first place. It will be great just like buying Sudafed products at local drug store. Nothing to worry about.
ColoradoShooter77
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I will continue to stockpile reloading components in 2016, as that is where most of my ammo comes from.
If the election goes south and Hillary wins, I'll be damn glad I have all this stuff, as the shelves will get cleaned out, just like they did in 2013.
If the crap ever hits the fan, I'm staying put, as I live 30 miles from the nearest city, out in the woods. My ammo stash will defend the homestead for quite a awhile.
Now I just have to wait for the punctuation cop to proofread my post, lmao. Where you at Aragon?
If the election goes south and Hillary wins, I'll be damn glad I have all this stuff, as the shelves will get cleaned out, just like they did in 2013.
If the crap ever hits the fan, I'm staying put, as I live 30 miles from the nearest city, out in the woods. My ammo stash will defend the homestead for quite a awhile.
Now I just have to wait for the punctuation cop to proofread my post, lmao. Where you at Aragon?
ColoradoShooter77
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I shoot about the same amount of ammo as MachIV, I'm on track to do 15,000 rounds downrange, by this time next year. That's 300 rounds/weekend. Its awesome!
That's why I keep more than 1 brick of primers, 1 lb of powder and 100 bullets on hand, lmao!
That's why I keep more than 1 brick of primers, 1 lb of powder and 100 bullets on hand, lmao!
Posted by PabloJ:
If you are going to attend a tactical pistol shooting class, you will need all in excess of 1,200 rounds of pistol ammunition. For subsequent practice, you will need several hundreds more each month. If you are going to shoot several rounds of trap very other night for practice, you will need hundreds of shells per week, and for tournaments you will need many more--and those shells are heavy.
Ware do yo get your ideas?
Or, should I ask what you can carry by yourself?
We have murders, robberies, and drive by shootings at least every night where I live, and I do not think that very many of them are done with firearms that are lawfully purchased from dealers.
There were restrictions on ammunition sales and transfers that were similar to what you have in mind.
Do you recall those days?
That's hogwash!
If you are going to attend a tactical pistol shooting class, you will need all in excess of 1,200 rounds of pistol ammunition. For subsequent practice, you will need several hundreds more each month. If you are going to shoot several rounds of trap very other night for practice, you will need hundreds of shells per week, and for tournaments you will need many more--and those shells are heavy.
Ware do yo get your ideas?
Or, should I ask what you can carry by yourself?
Ya really think that would work?
We have murders, robberies, and drive by shootings at least every night where I live, and I do not think that very many of them are done with firearms that are lawfully purchased from dealers.
Refresh yourself about the problems we has when GCA '68 was in full effect.
There were restrictions on ammunition sales and transfers that were similar to what you have in mind.
Do you recall those days?
MachIVshooter
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I'd love to borrow your crystal ball some time.
And stop saying "the bottom line". It's a feeble attempt to lend credence to ideas and suppositions that you have no reasonable foundation for asserting. You abuse the idiom without really understanding it, and it's a borderline argument from incredulity.
As for hoarding, have you so quickly forgotten the last couple of banic-induced shortages? High prices and poor availability for a year or two. As such, stocking a 1-2 year supply is not hoarding; it's prudence.
I'm not aware of any ill fate befalling people who had stocks of Sudafed prior to it's regulation, those who were caught cooking meth notwithstanding. Maybe you know something the rest of us don't.........
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That's your bottom line. One of the many wonderful things about freedom is that I am free to reject your reality and substitute my own. I choose to buy what I can afford when it is available, in full anticipation that another severe shortage may occur at any time. If I buy too much, my heirs will be happy to cart it to their homes.
My days of regretting that I didn't stock up when I could are behind me.
chipcom
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Have you considered reloading?
Kaeto
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I do reload. All the .455 Webley and .38 Special rounds are reloads. Right now I can't even afford the powder for reloading.
chipcom
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I love to shoot...and to shoot I merely have to walk out into my yard or over to one of my neighbors...or if I am in the mood for fancier digs, to the shooting club a couple miles to my west or the public outdoor range a couple of miles to my northeast. When I lived in NM the NRA Whittington Center was literally my backyard. Point is, I shoot daily, whether it be 50 rounds or 500. With the freakin irrational panic attacks that seem to be coming in shorter and shorter cycles, it's common sense for me to not only keep a good stockpile of the ammo I use, but also a good stockpile of reloading components for not only own ammo needs, but for my neighbors as well.
There is no such thing as too much ammunition. Period. This notion that you can apply what you think is a reasonable amount of ammunition for yourself to the rest of the population is as wacky and arrogant as assuming that the rest of the population should only be using the firearms that you use yourself.
"Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven" Luke 6:37
chipcom
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Been there, done that, fer shure. There was a time not that long ago when I had to sell off all of my firearms, ammo, accessories reloading equipment and reloading components (and about everything else I owned). It took a long time to recover and I it's still a work in progress. I count my blessings that I am in a financial position where I can dedicate some disposable income to my shooting jones each month. Don't let it worry you...what you have is still better than nothing and I am confident that over time you'll be able to more comfortably support your shooting jones. I've started looking at casting my own bullets and shot/slugs...and with the way powder is I may go all chemist and start learning how to make that too!
chipcom
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Keeping 6 months to a year of the food and supplies (including ammo) that you usually use is hardly hoarding. Back in the day it used to be called plain old common sense.
ColoradoShooter77
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The whole idea of ammo permits is silly at best, can you imagine the ammo purchases that would happen before such a stupid thing went into effect? People would be buying the stuff by the 10K round crate, lol.
It would make the last two panic's look like child's play.
It would make the last two panic's look like child's play.
DeepSouth
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I have a honest and simply question about this statement...... Why not?
I'm asking because I honestly don't understand what could make anyone reach the conclusion that other people should or shouldn't hoard up anything they want, assuming it's legal and not a health hazard. It baffles my mind, maybe if understand your thought process it help me to see where your coming from.
Again, it's an honest question.
GBExpat
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Hmmmmmm ... I have been wondering about those cracks propagating across the basement floor....when you exceed the floor load limit of a poured on-grade concrete slab
Self inflicted shortages make us look stupid and impede new shooters from joining our sport.
Old Dog
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I am starting to disregard posts in which the phrases "hands-down" and "the bottom line" are thrown about ...
I have, however, lately begun to ponder how I (and the family) would be moving all of our ammo in the event we had to evacuate the homestead due to calamity such as earthquake or volcano eruption (two distinct probabilities in my neck o' the woods). Perhaps if one has to think about the logistics of moving one's ammo supply, one has too much ammo? Although frankly, what I have on hand never seems enough to me ...
I have, however, lately begun to ponder how I (and the family) would be moving all of our ammo in the event we had to evacuate the homestead due to calamity such as earthquake or volcano eruption (two distinct probabilities in my neck o' the woods). Perhaps if one has to think about the logistics of moving one's ammo supply, one has too much ammo? Although frankly, what I have on hand never seems enough to me ...
that would be too little....when you exceed the floor load limit of a poured on-grade concrete slab
more than 100 1000rd boxes of 230grain 45acp per stack...
DeepSouth
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First, thanks for responding.
But honestly I believe your point is at the very least debatable, for one because I don't care if others think I look stupid, that never enters my mind as I make any decision, except maybe what I wear and such as that.
Also, I keep a pretty fair amount of ammo, a whole lot more than I carry, likely in the 5 digit range. BECAUSE of this I have on several occasions been able to take non-gun people shooting for hours, and sometimes multiple people at once. I have probably given away close to a thousand rounds in one day before, because people who aren't gun owners are having the time of their life and I'm just stupid enough to give away a few hundered dollars I guess.
That certainly wasn't impending them from joining our sport, many times it caused it.
But either way, it doesn't matter so long as the (relatively) free market is allowed to work. Most "hoarders" don't have unlimited funds so the problem of ammo availability will self correct, as we've seen more than once in last few years.
In short, if that's your only point I do at least understand how you came to the conclusion you came to. But I don't share that opinion, I believe it's based on false premises.
Again thanks for responding, I know your getting attacked and that wasn't my intention.
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The only time you could be carrying too much ammo is when you are drowning or on fire.
Ok, I see your point and change my mind to agree with you. What amount ammo anyone wants to store is up to them.
22-rimfire
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That's just one trip to the range.
Actually, you have too much when the bills start going unpaid and you start thinking about selling some to keep the electricity on.
It also depends on how much you routinely consume. More than 50-rounds might be too much to some, but thank goodness there are no limits here in the US.
MachIVshooter
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Those of us who have sufficient stocks (or "hoardes", as you call it) are not the ones contributing to the shortages.
Care to guess how many rounds of 5.56 I bought during the M855 ban freak out last spring? I'll give you a hint: 4 letters, starts with a Z, ends with an O, has an ER in the middle.
.380 in the 2008/9 banic? Same answer, because I was already sitting on >2 years worth at the rate I consume it.
.22 LR? In the last 3 years, I've bought maybe 6 or 8 bricks when I found them at reasonable prices, just replenishing what I used.
I employ the same philosophy on all consumables. While everybody else is rushing to town for food, fuel and batteries when a big storm is moving in, I'm sitting cozy at home because I keep my fridge & shelves very well stocked, have plenty of the power cells I need, and vehicles/generators/fuel can levels vs. total capacity at 75%+.
When you're out or nearly out of something at a time that something becomes scarce or in high demand (or both) is the wrong time to restock.
ljnowell
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Utterly ridiculous.
I shoot between 10-15k rounds of 38 special per year. Nearly the same amount of 45ACP. Then there are a half dozen other calibers I shoot less of.
I guess I have to much loaded ammo because I can't carry it?
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