Huge news in IL (CCW, removal of Chicago AWB)

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Phelps AND Madigan announced a new joint concealed carry bill in Illinois today. (Madigan is the leader of the dark side.. Chicago Machine.. speaker of the house).

Illinois is getting concealed carry, shall issue.

THIS GOES FOR A VOTE FRIDAY.

MADIGAN HAS STATED HE IS PLANNING TO OVERRIDE A GOVERNOR VETO.

Hold on to your hats.. because...

Chicago assault weapons ban, handgun registration, magazine ban, and ALL STATEWIDE FIREARMS ORDINANCES (such as safe storage, etc) are getting PREEMPTED.

The new shall issue bill is HIGHLY restrictive. Over 2 dozen gun free zones.

Highlights;

16 hours of training by Illinois State Police certified instructors (details TBD at some point), renewal requires refresher course of 3 hours,

$150 resident / $300 non resident, renewal every 5 years $75


"Safe travel" of citizens with out of state permits, but they can only carry in vehicles.

No reciprocity.

Statewide pre-emption of ALL firearms regulations, including AWB and CHP in Chicago.

Shall issue, but there are some caveats. Chief LEO can object. Then it goes to a board of 7 governor appointed panelists who decide final approval / rejection.

90 day limit on approval (no reprocussions if they exceed this)

30 day limit on denial reviews (shall issue if they don't issue a verdict in time)



Full text here;

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/98/SB/09800SB2193ham001.htm

1000+ posts on concealed carry board here (people aren't especially happy about the deal)

http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=37940&st=0

Quote from John Boch at Gunssavelife.com follows:

Here’s the situation. There is no June 9th cliff. We don’t have enough votes willing to go over the cliff. We do have the latest bill submitted by Brandon Phelps. Put your drink down and take a deep breath. In fact, you might want to pour yourself about three fingers of your favorite beverage and get a good start on it before reading further. I’ll wait . . .
You’re back. Good. Here’s where we are:
The Speaker of the House has blessed this latest submission by Brandon Phelps for the People of the State of Illinois.
HERE IT IS: AMENDMENT TO SB 2193.
I haven’t even read it carefully yet, but from what I’ve seen it sucks. In fact, I believe I expressed an expletive or three upon scanning it. A $150 application fee – $300 for non-residents. Sixteen hours of training. Class B misdemeanors for prohibited locations first time. Goofy panels. An even LONGER list of prohibited locations.
However . . . It also has across the board pre-emption on all local firearm regulations and restrictions.
Chicago’s gun registration regime? Gone.
Chicago’s ban on mags, lasers, etc.? Buh bye.
Cook County’s black gun ban? History.
Local “safe storage” ordinances? Into the dustbin of history.
It also means we only need a simple majority to tweak it in coming years, not a 3/5ths majority.Why am I writing like I’m trying to sell you this fecal sandwich? Because the alternative, as one downstate Democrat described it to me, was a combination of the House Bill that Chicago introduced that got a whopping 31 votes and Kwame’s proposal in the Senate that hasn’t gotten any votes yet, but is may issue without any sort of pre-emption.
In short, the Speaker offered this proposal that Brandon is offering as an effort to split the baby. On one side he had downstate Democrats saying they are getting pounded by constituents for a shall-issue right-to-carry bill. On the other side, he’s got Rahm and the Chicago Democrats throwing everything and the kitchen sink into the legislature to pass gun control like we’ve never seen.
Madigan knows if either side gets a clean win, it’ll be a bloodbath either in Chicago or downstate. So he’s splitting the baby. He’s giving some red-meat to downstate voters to salvage some downstate Democrats their jobs in part because of some very unpopular votes to come (can you say gay marriage and so-called “medical” marijuana).
And he’s giving Chicago Democrats some of what they wanted in terms of no guns in parks, public transportation and a host of other prohibited locations.
“What if we decline?” I asked one source. He didn’t laugh. He was dead serious.
If we decline his offer, he’s going to stuff a may issue law up our rear ends, without any lube, and move on. He’s done “playing around” on the issue and will let the chips fall where they may as there are bigger issues in Illinois (see above list).
So, folks, that’s where we are. There’s no cliff. Too many politicians have gone squishy and don’t want to run over it. It’s this or another ten years of legal wrangling to undo
whatever else we can get done here and now. And the bright spot is we will only need 60 votes to tweak this in the future if the governor’s copacetic.
Didn’t we get screwed once before? Yes, we did. Again, the Speaker (not sure why I’m capitalizing as he doesn’t deserve the respect) has blessed this “compromise” and told the Democratic caucus that he plans on moving it forward and expects to it to pass. Madigan also expects the Governor will veto the bill and he’s planning on over-riding that veto.
There you go
 
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Other notes;

Posted buildings carry force of law.

First offense class B misdemeanor.

Second offense class A misdemeanor.

Third offense permanent revocation of carry rights.


Also;

More than 5 arrests (including traffic stops apparently) in a 5 year period results in revocation.

More to follow.

Todd V. (our NRA lobbyist) is supporting this bill, based on his posts tonight. NRA has not released an official statement, neither has ISRA. They were excluded from the deal between Phelps and Madigan, based on posts made by Todd V. earlier this week.
 
duty to inform is only required if an officer requests it.

C&R will be able to legally transport short barreled rifles (this bill amended a transport provision; previously C&R could possess SBR's but not legally transport them)

ALL privacy rights waived. (Wording is ugly, the state can even unseal juvenile records)
 
Looks like cop was right

Within the last 6 months, the Belleville PD chief had an article in the local paper, the Belleville News-Democrat (bnd.com), in which he stated his support for CC. This is despite the fact that Madison & St. Clair counties have been described as "judicial hellholes" and both are very heavily Democratic (Chicago South heavy).

A couple of days ago, a BPD patrol officer was sitting in his cruiser in the shade of a tree in a parking lot. I pulled up beside him and asked if the Department has provided any instructions about the 6/9 deadline. He said "No" and he believed the Legislature would come up with "something" before they recess on 5/30. He also "warned" me not to try the injuction on/after the 9th.

Time will tell.

Trent - I hope you don't mind but I copied your posts to put in the Illinois section of another forum.
 
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Yeah. I'm a (lot) miffed about all the restrictions, but happy about the end of the Chicago iron curtain. Hell, I might even visit there.

...nah.

The bill goes for a vote Friday.
 
Wow. $150 for a permit? Wow. That's gonna prevent a lot of folks from applying, not to mention the class hours. I guess only the non-poor can carry. :confused:
 
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I thought the $150 was prohibitive for a right also.



Secondly, they want to ban carry on public transport. Wouldn't that be the same as public housing? Something you cannot ban?



Third, I'm surprised that Chicago doesn't just wait for the deadline to pass and then allow may issue via home rule and then not issue carry to anyone but the elite.
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Wow. $150 for a permit? Wow. That's gonna prevent a lot of folks from applying, not to mention the class hours. I guess only the non-poor can carry. :confused:
watch... if this passes, the poor will be getting free ccw cards right along with there free bus passes and cell-phones , thats why it's $150, for every 1 paid there will be 2 free-bee's ! I live in WI my CCW was $50.00, looks like I'll have to pay $300.00 to get one for IL ... NOT !!!
however, something is better than what they have now , and anything that will tic-off Rahm E. sounds good to me ,
 
I must admit that I've always thought that places like Chicago, New York, etc. were where you got sent as a punishment tour... I'm better off in the Everglades, thank you.
 
Wow. $150 for a permit? Wow. That's gonna prevent a lot of folks from applying, not to mention the class hours. I guess only the non-poor can carry. :confused:
Eh...its over $100 now in Florida....

What really concerns me is the approval by the 7 member panel. When thy meet.....if they meet....etc. Big bottleneck here.
 
Shall issue IMO in a state like that is not truly shall issue. Its may issue, at the discretion of the local head LEO who happens to be under the thumb of the governor and other local politicians. Do the math.
 
I don't think $150 is prohibitive. I'm not agreeing it should be that much, but $150, especially considering it is a one time payment for five years of licensing, is not a lot of money. It's $30 a year.
 
Here's wishing the best for those living in Illinois and particularly Chicago...

Christ I'm glad I live in Texas.
This is insane!!
When I read some of this kind of stuff I really wonder what planet some of these people were born on.
 
what a bunch of neg-boys

incrementalism is how we got here. things didn't get bad overnight. illinois isn't suddenly going to be perfect overnight.

it's a little better and you have an easier path to make it better. stop whining. take the deal.

and think about the long game. try to make it a little better each year. maybe knock a few places off the no carry list next year. don't try to do too much at once.
 
I don't think $150 is prohibitive. I'm not agreeing it should be that much, but $150, especially considering it is a one time payment for five years of licensing, is not a lot of money. It's $30 a year.

$20 for 5 years here.
 
taliv said:
what a bunch of neg-boys

incrementalism is how we got here. things didn't get bad overnight. illinois isn't suddenly going to be perfect overnight.

it's a little better and you have an easier path to make it better. stop whining. take the deal.

and think about the long game. try to make it a little better each year. maybe knock a few places off the no carry list next year. don't try to do too much at once.

Ok, I get what you're saying. Take this load of crap then in a few years when we can prove all those innocents are getting mugged, raped and murdered in the gun free zones we'll be able to shorten the list. $30/year doesn't sound bad but $150 up front does plus you gotta pay for 16 hours of training. That IS prohibitive. How much do NRA instructors charge per hour anyway? If it were an online course combined with on location training that wouldn't be so bad but it's not. We gotta get more active in politics and get these liberals voted out. That's the bottom line pure and simple.


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what a bunch of neg-boys

incrementalism is how we got here. things didn't get bad overnight. illinois isn't suddenly going to be perfect overnight.

it's a little better and you have an easier path to make it better. stop whining. take the deal.

and think about the long game. try to make it a little better each year. maybe knock a few places off the no carry list next year. don't try to do too much at once.
This is true but when you look at the areas you can't carry what first comes to mind is where can I carry??

11 Section 65. Prohibited areas.
12 (a) A licensee under this Act shall not knowingly carry a
13 firearm into:
14 (1) Any building, real property, and parking area under
15 the control of an elementary or secondary school.
16 (2) Any building, real property, and parking area under
17 the control of a pre-school or child care facility,
18 including any room or portion of a building under the
19 control of a pre-school or child care facility. Nothing in
20 this paragraph shall prevent the operator of a child care
21 facility in a family home from owning or possessing a
22 firearm in the home or license under this Act, if no child
23 under child care at the home is present in the home or the
24 firearm in the home is stored in a locked container when a
25 child under child care at the home is present in the home.




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1 (3) Any building, parking area, or portion of a
2 building under the control of an officer of the executive
3 or legislative branch of government, provided that nothing
4 in this paragraph shall prohibit a licensee from carrying a
5 concealed firearm onto the real property, bikeway, or trail
6 in a park regulated by the Department of Natural Resources
7 or any other designated public hunting area or building
8 where firearm possession is permitted as established by the
9 Department of Natural Resources under Section 1.8 of the
10 Wildlife Code.
11 (4) Any building designated for matters before a
12 circuit court, appellate court, or the Supreme Court, and
13 any building or portion of a building under the control of
14 the Supreme Court.
15 (5) Any building or potion of a building under the
16 control of a unit of local government.
17 (6) Any building, real property, and parking area under
18 the control of an adult or juvenile detention or
19 correctional institution, prison, or jail.
20 (7) Any building, real property, and parking area under
21 the control of a public or private hospital, mental health
22 facility, or nursing home.
23 (8) Any bus, train, or form of transportation paid for
24 in whole or in part with public funds, and any building,
25 real property, and parking area under the control of a
26 public transportation facility paid for in whole or in part




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1 with public funds.
2 (9) Any building, real property, and parking area under
3 the control of an establishment that serves alcohol on its
4 premises, if more than 50% of the establishment's gross
5 receipts within the prior 3 months is from the sale of
6 alcohol.
7 (10) Any public gathering or special event conducted on
8 property open to the public that requires the issuance of a
9 permit from the unit of local government, provided this
10 prohibition shall not apply to a licensee who must walk
11 through a public gathering in order to access his or her
12 residence, place of business, or vehicle.
13 (11) Any building or real property that has been issued
14 a Special Event Retailer liquor license as defined in
15 Section 1-3.17.1 of the Liquor Control Act during the time
16 designated for the sale of alcohol by the special event
17 retailer license, or a Special Use Permit liquor license as
18 defined in subsection (q) of Section 5-1 of the Liquor
19 Control Act during the time designated for the sale of
20 alcohol by the special use permit license.
21 (12) Any public playground.
22 (13) Any public park, athletic area, or athletic
23 facility under the control of a municipality or park
24 district, provided nothing in this Section shall prohibit a
25 licensee from carrying a concealed firearm while on a trail
26 or bikeway if only a portion of the trail or bikeway




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1 includes a public park.
2 (14) Any real property under the control of the Cook
3 County Forest Preserve District.
4 (15) Any building, classroom, laboratory, medical
5 clinic, hospital, artistic venue, athletic venue,
6 entertainment venue, officially recognized
7 university-related organization property, whether owned or
8 leased, and any real property, including parking areas,
9 sidewalks, and common areas under the control of a public
10 or private community college, college, or university.
11 (16) Any building, real property, or parking area under
12 the control of a gaming facility licensed under the
13 Riverboat Gambling Act or the Illinois Horse Racing Act of
14 1975, including an inter-track wagering location licensee.
15 (17) Any stadium, arena, or the real property or
16 parking area under the control of a stadium, arena, or any
17 collegiant or professional sporting event.
18 (18) Any building, real property, or parking area under
19 the control of a public library.
20 (19) Any building, real property, or parking area under
21 the control of an airport.
22 (20) Any building, real property, or parking area under
23 the control of an amusement park.
24 (21) Any building, real property, or parking area under
25 the control of a zoo or museum.
26 (22) Any area where firearms are prohibited under




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1 federal law.
2 (a-5) Nothing in this Act shall prohibit a public or
3 private community college, college, or university from:
4 (1) prohibiting persons from carrying a firearm within
5 a vehicle owned, leased, or controlled by the college or
6 university;
7 (2) developing resolutions, regulations, or policies
8 regarding student, employee, or visitor misconduct and
9 discipline, including suspension and expulsion;
10 (3) developing resolutions, regulations, or policies
11 regarding the storage or maintenance of firearms, which
12 must include designated areas where persons can park
13 vehicles that carry firearms; and
14 (4) permitting the carrying or use of firearms for the
15 purpose of instruction and curriculum of officially
16 recognized programs, including but not limited to military
17 science and law enforcement training programs, or in any
18 designated area used for hunting purposes or target
19 shooting.
20 (a-10) The owner of private real property of any type may
21 prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms on the property
22 under his or her control. The owner must post a sign in
23 accordance with subsection (d) of this Section indicating that
24 firearms are prohibited on the property, unless the property is
25 a private residence.
26 (b) Notwithstanding subsection (a) of this Section, any




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1 licensee prohibited from carrying a concealed firearm into the
2 parking area of a prohibited location specified in subsection
3 (a) of this Section shall be permitted to carry a concealed
4 firearm on or about his or her person within a vehicle into the
5 parking area and may store a firearm or ammunition concealed in
6 a case within a locked vehicle or locked container within the
7 vehicle in the parking area. A licensee may carry a concealed
8 firearm in the immediate area surrounding his or her vehicle
9 within a prohibited parking lot area only for the limited
10 purpose of storing or retrieving a firearm within the vehicle's
11 trunk, provided the licensee ensures the concealed firearm is
12 unloaded prior to exiting the vehicle. For purposes of this
13 subsection, "case" includes a glove compartment or console that
14 completely encloses the concealed firearm or ammunition, the
15 trunk of the vehicle, or a firearm carrying box, shipping box,
16 or other container.
17 (c) A licensee shall not be in violation of this Section
18 while he or she is traveling along a public right of way that
19 touches or crosses any of the premises under subsection (a) of
20 this Section if the concealed firearm is carried on his or her
21 person in accordance with the provisions of this Act or is
22 being transported in a vehicle by the licensee in accordance
23 with all other applicable provisions of law.
24 (d) Signs stating that the carrying of firearms is
25 prohibited shall be clearly and conspicuously posted at the
26 entrance of a building, premises, or real property specified in




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1 this Section as a prohibited area, unless the building or
2 premises is a private residence. Signs shall be of a uniform
3 design as established by the Department and shall be 4 inches
4 by 6 inches in size. The Department shall adopt rules for
5 standardized signs to be used under this subsection.
 
Almost anywhere else, this would be terrible. It actually seems like a pretty strong step in the right direction.

I also like that I wouldn't have to worry about making a wrong turn in St. Louis and accidentally finding myself on the other side of the river.
 
Wow, Debbie Downers...

I would consider this a MAJOR victory given the state of Illinois/Chicago politics.

I firmly believe in my interpretation of the Second Amendment, and I'm sure others believe just as strongly in their version, or even their desire to get rid of it.

Simply, when half the people disagree with the other half, there's going to be compromise - or nothing at all.

I'm not saying not to fight for everything you want, just be realistic and understand it won't happen. Not because it isn't Constitutionally correct, but because not enough people either want it or believe it or just hate guns so much they'll stop at nothing.
 
It is a step in the right direction. The last state without a CHL is now getting one. The cost is about the same as Texas. There are a lot of unnecessary restrictions in that law but at least concealed carry will be available. Illinoisans can keep lobbying and fighting for more rights to carry. I would predict that 90% of the state will not experience problems getting permits. Then there will be Crook County (and a few others)...they will attempt to reject and stall as many permit requests as possible for as long as possible.

Overall I congratulate the people of my former state for some progress. It is time to vote out the criminals and dictators, if you can find any politicians there that are neither to vote into office.
 
Jeez you guys are cynical. Sometimes I think there are people here who would actually like to their worst nightmares (confiscation, compete firearm bans...etc) come true just so they can say "See! I told you Chicago is the worst place in the world! I told you I told you! Glad I don't live there! Rah Rah for my state!" And so on.

Those who have an all-or-nothing attitude are most often left with nothing. This is a step in the right direction.
 
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