Huge news in IL (CCW, removal of Chicago AWB)

[JFtheGR8]

Yeah Trent, I think they confused people by using the term "viable" in that first email. All that meant was that it has a good chance at passing. I'll have to say despite my protests to the cost and restrictions that I am also neutral on this bill. It is a huge step for those in Chicago with the preemption but I don't feel as if it's such a monumental leap for us who reside downstate.


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[JFtheGR8]

Also, www.illinoiscarry.com appears to be down for me, can't connect.

Can someone verify that board is down?

REALLY bad time for it to crash, if that's the case. That's the primary source of early news on this stuff.

I can't get it to load either


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[Trent]

I can't get it to load either


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Thanks for the verification.

Yeah Trent, I think they confused people by using the term "viable" in that first email. All that meant was that it has a good chance at passing. I'll have to say despite my protests to the cost and restrictions that I am also neutral on this bill. It is a huge step for those in Chicago with the preemption but I don't feel as if it's such a monumental leap for us who reside downstate.

I completely agree; I took that as ISRA endorsement this morning. But it was before I had my requisite pot of coffee to start the day, too. Reading it again it doesn't read the same as it did for me this morning.

I'm not overly enthused about this bill. Basically, I can't carry anywhere I'd LIKE to carry.

The only advantage for me, at this point, is when I go to the datacenter in Peoria after hours, and I have to sit in the alleyway a half block from the Taft housing project waiting for the security gate to open, I can legally do something I've always done ANYWAY. (Which is have a loaded 9mm sitting on my lap ready to go.)

That alleyway is damn sketchy, more often than not, there's a group of gangbangers drinking 40's by the loading dock of another business in that alley.

Previously, as soon as I got to the gate I'd take the firearm out of the center console and have the magazine and firearm sitting on my lap, waiting for the gate to open. Now I can actually keep it loaded. Shaves 2 seconds off.

I guess it also means I don't have to do the "load the gun and holster it carefully" dance sitting in the parking lot of my business.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out, once it hits the floor. I'm betting some damn hostile amendments get thrown at it. All depends on how big of a thumb Madigan can use on his cohorts.

 

[Phatty]

IllinoisCarry is back up and working for me.

 

[Trent]

Same here Phatty.

SB2193 added to supplemental house calendar 1 for second reading.

 

[JFtheGR8]

I work down on R.B. Garrett and I work night shift. It's a hospital to boot so I won't be allowed to have a gun in the parking lot. Does that mean it can be in my car while in the parking lot? Or not on the property at all. Not real happy about those restrictions since shootings happen very close to where I work and several break ins have occurred to vehicles in the parking lot there.


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[Trent]

Held at second reading for further floor amendments.

 

[Trent]

I work down on R.B. Garrett and I work night shift. It's a hospital to boot so I won't be allowed to have a gun in the parking lot. Does that mean it can be in my car while in the parking lot? Or not on the property at all. Not real happy about those restrictions since shootings happen very close to where I work and several break ins have occurred to vehicles in the parking lot there.


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From my interpretation of the language your car is a safe harbor, you should be allowed to keep a firearm locked up in your car while you go in. The firearm doesn't have to be unloaded, but it DOES need to be in a locked compartment, or the vehicle itself is locked.

Lacking those options you are allowed (by the current text of the bill) to unload the firearm, walk around and place the unloaded firearm in your trunk.

 

[Trent]

House adjourned until tomorrow @ 9:30 AM

 

[Trent]

Phelps looked surprised when Madigan held it at second reading (he was on his way to the podium).

Not sure the implications of that.

 

[usmarine0352_2005]

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Can anyone answer these:



I thought the $150 was prohibitive for a right also. Can't they take that to court?



Secondly, they want to ban carry on public transport. Wouldn't that be the same as public housing? Something you cannot ban?



Third, I'm surprised that Chicago doesn't just wait for the deadline to pass and then allow may issue via home rule and then not issue carry to anyone but the elite.
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[itsa pain]

the second amendment is being turned into for just hunting and CCW and it is by gun owners. in both endeavors you must get a license from govt. which is sad. it goes against the original intent of why it is in the bill of rights

 

[Trent]

USMarine;

Damn good catch. No one else has caught that in over 1300 posts on Illinois Carry.

PUBLIC HOUSING PROVISIONS IN THE ORIGINAL 997 BILL WERE REMOVED.

This effectively BANS carrying on government owned / funded public housing property.

 

[Trent]

Example of a prohibited place:

http://www.pekinhousingauthority.com/about-us/profile.html

The Housing Authority currently manages 196 apartments within the City of Pekin, 12 apartments in Green Valley, 12 apartments in South Pekin and eight apartments in Mackinaw.

In current bill, concealed carry on these properties are BANNED under item (5)


(5) Any building or potion of a building under the control of a unit of local government.

(The misspelling of "portion" is not mine, it's in the bill's text)

 

[Trent]

Guess we have a constitutionality hook to get the bill stricken at some point. Without severability the ban on public housing is enough to get the entire thing tossed out.

 

[armoredman]

That could be the idea, have it tossed out AFTER they've complied with the 7th's directives...which would probably necessitate another expensive and years long go-round of trials, etc. Time and money some of the plaintiffs from the originals probably don't have, and with Bloomers supporting Chicago, he can fund the run for decades.
Sorry, feeling a bit pessimistic. :banghead: I would LOVE to see law abiding citizens in Chicago legally carrying whatever sidearms they wish past City Hall while Rahm gnashes his teeth, preferably in a jail cell...

 

[jamesbeat]

Why all the negativeness (is that even a word?).
It will be a lot better than it is right now, and although it's certainly not great, it's a win for the good guys and the first step on the road to constituional firearms laws.

Here in NY, we dream of this type of thing.
We'll all win in the end, we just have to keep making incremental improvements, this being one of them.

Don't forget that when people can carry and the predicted rivers of blood fail to flow, the antis arguments against CCW will be significantly weakened, paving the way for removal of further restrictions.

 

[DonP]

I note that many of the same people that posted here for years that; "Illinois will never get CCW", "I'd move out", "You're an idiot for staying there ...", are now telling us that the bill isn't good enough and we should hold out for ... what?

Another two years of court cases? Mike Madigan to have a "grabber" on the Capitol steps? How many unarmed people will die or be injured by flash mobs while we tinker with the details and nobody can carry in rathole Chicago?

Even with the Chicago generated crapola in it, It's still a decent "Shall Issue" first step from where we are now that Tom Dart, Toni Preckwinkle and the rest of the Crook County idiots can only whine about on TV and can't do jack about repealing.

We have to think for the long term and not stamp our feet and act like an angry child who didn't get everything they wanted to Christmas. Heller and McDonald took years to finally work their way to SCOTUS. I want CCW in my lifetime, not my grandchildren's.

Not one state with CCW has ever made any attempt to repeal it that I'm aware of and most have expanded the rights and eased the restrictions over time. We're not going to catch up on all that lost time in one totally cocked up legislative session, where they spend the majority of their time finding reasons not to do anything and blaming everyone else for their screw ups.

After the Blago/Quinn Circus and the pension debacle, I actually have high hopes for a pro 2nd GOP Governor and maybe not a supermajority of Dems in the House and Senate too.

 

[rugerman07]

My big issues with this bill are the fee's. $150.00 for a ccw permit. Does this fee include the required 16 hour training course by the ISP or will that cost extra, if so, how much? Will there be any additional fee's for fingerprinting or anything else? Also, what's this Statewide pre-emption of all gun laws? Does this mean the state has softened it's tone on black rifles, semi auto pistols, and hi cap magazines?

 

[Prince Yamato]

Illinois is getting ccw. That's major. Accept the crappy parts now, undo them later.

 

[orionengnr]

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

And this is a doosey.

My fellow Illinoids:
consider where you have come from, where you are today, and where you could be 90 days from now. To be honest, I never thought I would see the day when IL residents got a not-half-bad deal like this.

Yes, it has its downsides--but the upsides outweigh the downsides.

--State pre-emption alone makes it a better deal than anyone had any right to hope for.
--Any form of shall-issue (even one with warts which will need to be excised) is miles better than the alternative--a "may-issue" which would be, for all intents and purposes, a "no-issue".
--$150 for five years is $30 a year. Yes, it sounds like a bit for the first round, but it's really not. Renewal is $75, or $15/year. At today's ammo prices, that sounds like a bargain.

Look at it this way...the glass is half full. And it can get fuller as time goes on. It's truly a beautiful day.

As an earlier poster said, future amendments require only a simple majority (and yes, as a former IL resident, I know that is easier said than done--anywhere, but especially in "the land that ethics forgot").

Now let's hope this passes. And then IL can finally go back on my list of PPR (preferred places to retire). That is ten years away, so maybe you will have everything smoothed out by then.

I'm rooting for you guys.

 

[1 old 0311-1]

If you CHOOSE to live in a Communist State vote the SOB's out or move. Ain't difficult.

 

[Kingcreek]

This is not a done deal. And don't think madigan isn't capable of throwing a late wildcard or that governor potatoe head won't toss in an amendatory veto. This is the work of the Chicago machine. This could morph into anything and pass leaving us stunned and stupid.
Phelps should, and may yet be ashamed to have his name on it.
This is madigans bill and it has only come into daylight because madigan wants it too. Anybody that thinks we can take this bill and improve it later is being very very optimistic maybe delusional. Madigan can block any bill he wants. He has the muscle and he proved it. He made ISRA and NRA and the 8000 of us that marched IGOLD in Springfield look like fools.
This is the reality of politics in Illinois. But hey! Don't worry! We know what to do with those dispicable Chicago politicians don't we?
We send them to Washington.

 

[Steve CT]

I can only say that Illinois shooters got a step forward. Not everything you want, but it's progress.

I live in Connecticut, and we are in the process of being fed a major dose of Illinois-style stupidity, so now I feel some part of the pain you have endured for these many years. At least you are moving forward, we are marching backward into the Dark Ages.

 

[orionengnr]

^^^
Bingo.